Advanced nutrients owner a peedo????

st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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941mick said:
so labs could labs differ in quality of their synthetic salts? Seriously asking, not a chemist or up to speed with how synthetics are created in a lab.
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I honestly don't know the answer to that. They are creating the same chemical compounds so I don't know that any variation would exist. Again, I suspect that the only difference between various companies products is the ratios of each compound used, not the physical makeup of those compounds. IOW, AN's Nitrogen compound is no different/better than Fox Farms..... they may just use more or less of it in their bottle.

Really I'm no expert on this. I'm sifting through worm shit as we speak for a compost tea, so synthetics aren't my forte. :-) Someone like Sativied would be better equipped to answer this
 
941mick

941mick

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st0wandgrow said:
I honestly don't know the answer to that. They are creating the same chemical compounds so I don't know that any variation would exist. Again, I suspect that the only difference between various companies products is the ratios of each compound used, not the physical makeup of those compounds. IOW, AN's Nitrogen compound is no different/better than Fox Farms..... they may just use more or less of it in their bottle.

Really I'm no expert on this. I'm sifting through worm shit as we speak for a compost tea, so synthetics aren't my forte. :-) Someone like Sativied would be better equipped to answer this
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Well I just watched someone on youtube make ammonium nitrate in their house, so I am going to assume there can be a difference and that im now on a terror watch list lol
 
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thump easy

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can some one help me??? or even try to tell me a lead ill do the work and post he formula if i find out please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sativied

Sativied

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st0wandgrow said:
Someone like Sativied would be better equipped to answer this
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I'm too high to figure out if you are being sarcastic or he is, or you both are. Anyway...

941mick said:
so labs could labs differ in quality of their synthetic salts? Seriously asking, not a chemist or up to speed with how synthetics are created in a lab.
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Surely there's a difference in quality. Low grade to high grade and food grade of course. They are based on mineral compounds, rocks, mined, and converted to salts for convenience, to transport, store, and dissolve in water. They are eventually chemically the same, on that basic level (elements....................... ffs..............) as plant nutrients (what the plant actually takes up and needs that is) derived from organic plant nutrients... or better said perhaps "plant nutrient precursors".
 
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Sativied said:
I'm too high to figure out if you are being sarcastic or he is, or you both are. Anyway...


Surely there's a difference in quality. Low grade to high grade and food grade of course. They are based on mineral compounds, rocks, mined, and converted to salts for convenience, to transport, store, and dissolve in water. They are eventually chemically the same, on that basic level (elements....................... ffs..............) as plant nutrients (what the plant actually takes up and needs that is) derived from organic plant nutrients... or better said perhaps "plant nutrient precursors".
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Sativide how can I go about the old formulas?? Please help!!
 
941mick

941mick

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Sativied said:
I'm too high to figure out if you are being sarcastic or he is, or you both are. Anyway...


Surely there's a difference in quality. Low grade to high grade and food grade of course. They are based on mineral compounds, rocks, mined, and converted to salts for convenience, to transport, store, and dissolve in water. They are eventually chemically the same, on that basic level (elements....................... ffs..............) as plant nutrients (what the plant actually takes up and needs that is) derived from organic plant nutrients... or better said perhaps "plant nutrient precursors".
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So all salts in the end are the same and the quality of the original source material or the way it was handled in labs matters in the end? I'm not being sarcastic btw just trying to have a better understanding.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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941mick said:
I'm not being sarcastic btw just trying to have a better understanding.
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Really? Sounds like you're gathering opposing arguments up front. Which I applaud. :lol: I'm looking forward to seeing your "Ok why then.... . . ... . .. . ??" question.

Your question about salts being the same does not compute. If the quality of the original source and "the way it was handled" matters, in the end, the result, the salts, are obviously not all the same. They are of different quality grades.

If you want to know why exactly food grade is better for example, you'll have to find someone else willing to play because I don't know.
 
941mick

941mick

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Sativied said:
Really? Sounds like you're gathering opposing arguments up front. Which I applaud. :lol: I'm looking forward to seeing your "Ok why then.... . . ... . .. . ??" question.

Your question about salts being the same does not compute. If the quality of the original source and "the way it was handled" matters, in the end, the result, the salts, are obviously not all the same. They are of different quality grades.

If you want to know why exactly food grade is better for example, you'll have to find someone else willing to play because I don't know.
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Sativied said:
Really? Sounds like you're gathering opposing arguments up front. Which I applaud. :lol: I'm looking forward to seeing your "Ok why then.... . . ... . .. . ??" question.

Your question about salts being the same does not compute. If the quality of the original source and "the way it was handled" matters, in the end, the result, the salts, are obviously not all the same. They are of different quality grades.

If you want to know why exactly food grade is better for example, you'll have to find someone else willing to play because I don't know.
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So could companies be using different quality grades of salt based fertilizers in their water bottles?
 
Sativied

Sativied

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941mick said:
So could companies be using different quality grades of salt based fertilizers in their water bottles?
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Sure could.

Not very efficient this game you play, especially since the outcome is so predictable (valid premises yet incorrect conclusion) but fuck it I'm bored.
 
941mick

941mick

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Sativied said:
Sure could.

Not very efficient this game you play, especially since the outcome is so predictable (valid premises yet incorrect conclusion) but fuck it I'm bored.
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I just thank you for not trying to beat around the bush like the other guys. If everything performed the same no matter how it was sourced or handled there would be no motive to spend the resources sourcing better raw materials. As a for profit company it wouldn't be worth it to produce a product that costs more but produces the same result. Which means that people are implying that all nutrient fertilizer companies are using the lowest grade source material, since it will all have the same end result. Correct?
 
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patrickkawi37

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chuck estevez said:
yeah, I know, all you douchebags claim you'll put your shit up against mine, whatever. I have nothing to prove to noobs who don't know better than to not use AN.
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So show me pics where you have a room that got over 2.9ps per 1k watt and I will believe you. Other wise your an old grower who's jealous that a noob can out yield you. Here's how I look at advanced

9k watts. If I spend 1300 total on nutrients.. I don't use ALL advanced just some, and the base nutes. But let's say I could spend HALF that using something else. If I got a half ounce less per lamp... Doesn't sound like much, I would be going backwards. I don't give a damn if advanced charged 5 times what they charge. I use it because it is what works for me. If that's because I'm a noob.. Then by all means, let's go tree for tree with your "miracle grow"
 
941mick

941mick

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patrickkawi37 said:
So show me pics where you have a room that got over 2.9ps per 1k watt and I will believe you. Other wise your an old grower who's jealous that a noob can out yield you. Here's how I look at advanced

9k watts. If I spend 1300 total on nutrients.. I don't use ALL advanced just some, and the base nutes. But let's say I could spend HALF that using something else. If I got a half ounce less per lamp... Doesn't sound like much, I would be going backwards. I don't give a damn if advanced charged 5 times what they charge. I use it because it is what works for me. If that's because I'm a noob.. Then by all means, let's go tree for tree with your "miracle grow"
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Bro he's never seen a side by side, there is no question that he is an old grower. lmao
 
Sativied

Sativied

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941mick said:
I just thank you for not trying to beat around the bush like the other guys. If everything performed the same no matter how it was sourced or handled there would be no motive to spend the resources sourcing better raw materials. As a for profit company it wouldn't be worth it to produce a product that costs more but produces the same result. Which means that people are implying that all nutrient fertilizer companies are using the lowest grade source material, since it will all have the same end result. Correct?
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Theoretically if you assume the higher grade is that much harder to find and produce. In practice, no that is not correct. It's not just the results that matter. Especially for cannabis specific nutrient manufacturers. Plenty of customers who will consider minerals from a dozen different spots in the same ocean a major selling point. Just as "food grade quality" is (and should be). You also assume they produce the same result. Seems like you should have asked more questions first.
 
941mick

941mick

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Sativied said:
Theoretically if you assume the higher grade is that much harder to find and produce. In practice, no that is not correct. It's not just the results that matter. Especially for cannabis specific nutrient manufacturers. Plenty of customers who will consider minerals from a dozen different spots in the same ocean a major selling point. Just as "food grade quality" is (and should be). You also assume they produce the same result. Seems like you should have asked more questions first.
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Nah I was done playing and you already told me what I was waiting to hear from anyone on this board.
 
Sativied

Sativied

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941mick said:
Nah I was done playing and you already told me what I was waiting to hear from anyone on this board.
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Sounds like you don't want to discuss your conclusion. Or even post it. I will take a guess, cause I'm not done playing yet:

941mick said:
AN produces better results because their salts are better than other nutrient manufacturers or people mixing their own so that justifies the cost.
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