MrGhettoGrower
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Don't even try to use half that stuff! You'll burn'em!
Advanced nutrients questions
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Niko Bellick
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Preciate you stopping bye good sir. Just ordered Sensi Bloom A and B and a bottle of Voodoo Juice. Buy the bloom enhancers etc right before I move to flower.
Niko Bellick
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I believe everything in moderation and I'll be fine. I probably won't bother with the bud factor X and the rhino skin. But one or two of the bloom boosters and there line of root additives are a must for me.
Niko Bellick
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Okay, so according to there Calculator for my res size I need to use 0.81 fl oz. Anybody know how the hell I'm spos to accurately measure out 0.81 oz's????
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/calc/
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/calc/
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
you can change it from imperial to metric or the otherway
iRevolution
Member
Hello my friend, I dont have many post and I dont have any rep but Ill tell you what I know about these products because I have used AN for over 15 yrs now, but I do use other products. I just want to input on the various good advice youve received so far.
Sensi 2 part is very limited in the 17 elements your plant needs to perform at optimum potential. The conn will provide limited elements of the 17 mentioned; check the bottle. The 17 elements are here :
http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~jerry/orchids/nutri.html
This is why the AN team suggest you use many additives, however some additives will give your plant some elements that are not essential but have found to be beneficial.
I would like to simply give you the knowledge I have on each product.
1 connoisseur base : This is an overpriced, over-marketed, simple recipe that boasts the only advantage of chelating each ingredient separately which may benefit the plant mildly. Use the three part AN which is much cheaper and wont clog like GH or Botanicare in your drip line if using hydro systems. For dirt GH may have the upper hand because they offer all 17 elements and would reduce the need for additives, but AN has given me more consistent results and easier to mix ratio 1:1:1. Check the labels.
- Bud Blood : This is a powerful product that I would recommend even over the AN new product meant to replace it. It is a WOW product that I always got regular users after first try. I honestly cannot see the motivation of AN to make a competing product to this one other then more profit, because it doesnt perform as well at all. If you can get this product, buy it.
- Big bud : Is to be used right after the bud blood (1st week only) until you move on to the Overdrive. This product is better then koolbloom, or groteks monster bloom because as well as having the added P and K it has many necessary resin producing amino acids. In fact these amino acids, which are not part of the 17 essential elements, will produce up to 60% more sap in sap producing trees. If you like resin, you want amino acids. Excellent product here although Bud candy also has these ingredients.
- Overdrive is another great finishing product that you will not see another outperform. The only product I have seen produce tighter buds and finish the crop properly is the unknown Beast 666 made by a company I will not support for other reasons. Not because of the obvious biker reference, but because all other products i have tried from this company has been sub par to say the least. but this ones a winner.
- Bud factor x : is a product I cannot support because they will not tell me what is in it. As far as I can tell it is a yeast mix that you could easily replace with a can of good canadian beer, nono on the american shit, europian ... maybe.
- Rhino Skin : is a silica and this element will benefit the plant in a biological way. it will strengthen the stem, foliage and petiole which will help fight sap sucking bugs like spider mites, and will enable the plant to keep up the heavy buds you are producing.
- and 8. These two products are beneficial bacteria and rhizome enhancers that will most certainly grow your root mass. Bigger root mass = bigger plant = bigger bud. Period! Its biology. Many other products namely made by Canna or botanicare (cheapest) have given me the same results.
- Voodoo juice is similar to the 7 and 8 products but again, AN has decided not to divulge the whole recipe, so I would argue against it for that purpose. AN is so good at telling us the science behind there products, why would they keep anything a secret? MONEY. Cheap input cost means you can probably make or buy comparable products for much cheaper so why get ripped off? I would go with the pirhanna and Tarantula instead of the Voodoo. However I have had some guys swear to Voodoo, and would omit the other two for this product. budget decision.
- Bud Candy : Think of this products as the ultimate multivitamin, it has so much shit in there that it will include the amino acids of the big bud, the carbs of the carbo load and sweat leaf, the b vitamins in B52, it also includes yeast, kelp (photosythesis machines, always add a sea kelp in your recipe), and several other I fail to rememeber right now (check the label) and is well worth the price.
Happy growing!
CEAhaze
Member
Yes, clones from the same mother, same feeding, etc. with same results. You are only getting robbed with the connoisseur line.
CEAhaze
Member
I understand if you don't want to use AN but you might want to chin check your skills as a grower. There are many factors why your plant could slowly die and it's your responsibility to prevent that. You are the CEO of your grow. Go read and research why your plant is doing that. There's tons of information on online. Or post a thread with pictures and ask for help.
GreenthumBum
Member
OH k 3 weeks into flowering. yesterday i went in to check on em and one was completely dead. The stalk/ stem was all mushy/ rotten. All the other plants look
great! this one was right next to the drain. My friend said that i am watering too much. I was watering 8 times a day every three hours. I cut it down to 6 times a
day and every 4 hours. What do you think? Do you think that i diagnosed the problem correctly and & am i going about it in the right way to fix it to ensure
that i don't lose my crop.
great! this one was right next to the drain. My friend said that i am watering too much. I was watering 8 times a day every three hours. I cut it down to 6 times a
day and every 4 hours. What do you think? Do you think that i diagnosed the problem correctly and & am i going about it in the right way to fix it to ensure
that i don't lose my crop.
kbo ca
Active Member
I'm not pushing AN on anyone. Just giving account of my personal experience. If there was something better out there, I'm sure they would have taken AN up on the million dollar challenge. Peace
Niko Bellick
Well-Known Member
countless cannabis cup winners can't be wrong going with AN.
Niko Bellick
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All, I can say is wow. Thank you for the well rounded educated response. You weeded out all of the unnecessary items and broke it down for me to understand.
Everyone says the same thing about connoisseur so I'm going with sensi bloom A and B. big bud, bud blood and bud candy as well as the overdrive I have found for reasonable prices so it will be on its way before I start flower.
Niko Bellick
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Good point. probably going to pick up a graduated cylinder to measure with. thank you
Niko Bellick
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Thank you everyone who stopped in too answer my newb questions about AN. Can't wait to move my cheesus plant into veg and try out my new nutrients. For some reason my signature link takes you too my old thread, ill try and fix it. Otherwise if anyone wants to check in on my grow its under "the coming of Cheesus" in the hydro forum. I'm sure I'll have a few questions once I start using them.
iRevolution
Member
You may want to get one more bottle. A Calcium and magnesium additive because the sensi doesn't provide enough. Cal Mag is the usual name for this product. Many companies make them because this is a common problem with many nutrient bases.
Niko Bellick
Well-Known Member
Ahh good call. I always forget calmag. have that prob with just about every grow.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
with sensi you might run into a cal issue but with the three part you will not
decrimCA
Active Member
First of all, that's a lot of stuff and I think you can simplify things a bit.
I love AN, but you can keep your grow room a little less crowded. Personally, I like:
Sensi Grow and Bloom A&B
Big Bud
B-52
Voodoo Juice
Overdrive
Bud Candy
Pirhanha
Final Phase
You can also use the nutrient calculator on the AN site to figure out how to use them. You can even stick with the Hobbyist system and use even less - and still get a lot out of the system.
Try using the first four on that list up there, and you'll get used ot the AN way. And after you get used to it, then you can begin to add more of the complicated nutes. Why kill yourself on the first grow with any nutrient?
Good luck!!!!
jojodancer10
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hello fam, this is my first time going hydro and using AN. im using the sinsi A+B, gh nector, koolbloom, flora bloom and gh micro. this is a different world now with a 40gal rez lol im looking at 20oz each of A+B,600ml koolbloom, 400ml of every thing else. i ran out of hyrozime but my rez is now a lot cleaner. its a lot of work with that many plants to fill a 4x4 table.
hooked.on.ponics
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Keep it simple. Ditch the Connoisseur and go with Sensi Grow/Bloom if you like 2 part nutes or the Grow/Micro/Bloom if you like 3 parts. Save yourself some dollars there and you're still taking AN for a test drive.
Voodoo Juice is one of the pricier ones, but it can make some HUGE roots so it may be worth it depending on your budget/interest.
Absolutely get Big Bud. It'd be a toss up in my mind between Bud Blood (now Bud Ignitor) and Overdrive as to which would be the better if you were to get just one of them.
Aside from that don't really push it too hard. If you get ten things and the plants don't do as well as you'd like you don't know if it was a problem with all ten things, just one of them, or maybe the way you were using one, two, three... ten of them. Just get a few things, dial it in as perfect as you can and just let them do their thing.
If you like AN (which I absolutely do) go ahead and add in a couple more things next grow. But never jump straight to the full line, that's just asking for trouble.