Advanced Ph Perfect adjust PH after mixing in nutes&boosters

Trulife69

Trulife69

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I am running Advanced Sensi PH perfect nutes with soil plants. Just came across a article about how your not supposed to adjust the ph at all if your running ph perfect AND it said if you do ph it,it will cause your plants issues.

So..Anyone run Advanced PH perfect formula for soil plants and adjust their ph after adding all nutes in?? I know everyone is going to chime in on it should be adjust to ph6-6.3 but I want to know from someone who has done it with ph perfect in soil and what the deal is. When I mix up a half dose of sensi A and B and bloom additives my ph is either 6.7 or right at 7..I always have to adjust the ph to get it in range to feed the girls...bad idea??
let me know
Dont hate on A.N...Its just what im working with right now
 
Sensibowl

Sensibowl

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Trulife69 said:
I am running Advanced Sensi PH perfect nutes with soil plants. Just came across a article about how your not supposed to adjust the ph at all if your running ph perfect AND it said if you do ph it,it will cause your plants issues.

So..Anyone run Advanced PH perfect formula for soil plants and adjust their ph after adding all nutes in?? I know everyone is going to chime in on it should be adjust to ph6-6.3 but I want to know from someone who has done it with ph perfect in soil and what the deal is. When I mix up a half dose of sensi A and B and bloom additives my ph is either 6.7 or right at 7..I always have to adjust the ph to get it in range to feed the girls...bad idea??
let me know
Dont hate on A.N...Its just what im working with right now
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I wouldn't screw with the pH when you're working with pH Perfect, but if it's changing things up, then you should definitely keep an eye on it. That said, is the rest of your grow working well? Is your environment solid? I would look to make sure that everything else is in line first!
 
Sativa Dragon

Sativa Dragon

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I am running it I just have faith in it, way back when I used to adjust all my nutes to 7ish, I havent had an issue with PH perfect. I have PH'ed a bucket of water and come back to it the next day and had to do it agian, wonder what it does when it is sitting in the soil for a day. Anyhow don't mess with it you will be fine.

Peace
 
Briansmith8585

Briansmith8585

Member
I'm using it now and after I mix everything up it normally comes in any wear from 5.8-6.3 depending if I use silica or not then I just add some ph up and have had no problems at all
 
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jbiz206

Member
I did the test in soil and i had lockout when i didnt ph. You can try on one plant or so yourself and find out but i ph now and i dnt have any problems
 
beuffer420

beuffer420

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The ph perfect shouldn't be adjusted if it looks like your having ph issues it could be from not getting enough runoff. I ran into this prob your talking about on a couple plants, called AN they assured me it was from not enough runoff. So I ran four gals through each pot just under full strength came back in when lights were on again and everything was standing back at attention and haven't had probs since.

the ph perfect really runs good in rock wool I use the stuff that's just fluff not the cubes I water once every five days and make sure I get good run off. Since I've changed to this medium I've had no issues with the line.
 
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Bojesus H.

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I had been feeding lower than full strength and adjusting my ph (in hydro, not soil) for the first few weeks with Sensi PH Perfect and was having all sorts of issues. Lately I've just left the PH Perfect to do it's thing (As per AN Support's instructions) and everything is looking up.
I've still been monitoring the PH and PPM. The PPM is a little richer than I'd like right now (1170 on a .7 scale) and the PH is sitting around the 6.0-6.7 range.
Even though both seem high, AN told me not to worry, just follow the feeding charts. I was skeptical at first but so far things seem good!
 
Keif Cheif

Keif Cheif

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Although the pH seems to come out where it needs to be most of the time, i have still noticed that from batch to batch, the pH isn't so perfect after all. But at the same time, I ALWAYS double check my pH of my runoff as well as before I feed my plants. I also actively change my pH throughout the growth stages.

I have found that my plants do much better with a lower pH (5.8-6.0) during early veg. The lower pH helps stimulate new roots and helps with nitrogen assimilation.

In early flower all the way through late flower, i gradually increase my pH of my nutrients to 6.7 at the end. I have found that this helps more with phosphorous assimilation.

So with all of that said, i do not trust the A.N. pH perfect (even if it does leave it on the spot you want at that time) and i encourage to check it again with the next batch of base nutes you get.

Not to mention, most regions have water that is on the higher side, and any synthetic nutrient line will bring it down where it needs to be. And if it comes out a little low on the additive days, then you can always use potassium silicate to bring the pH up.

* i recommend Dyna-Gro Pro-Tekt (silica) or Grow More Armor Kote. These are both highly concentrated and a great price.

**In fact, the whole Grow More line has great quality control with a great price. You won't be paying for a fancy label or marketing schemes when using the Grow More line. Not to mention that they have been supplying the agriculture industry before the 50s (WAAAAY BEFORE ANY OF THESE LINES CAME OUT)
 
patlpp

patlpp

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Why are so many people using soil when growing with synthetic nutes like Sensi PH-P? You would think soil growers would use the organic line and use Iguana or something like that. PH perfect IMO is not designed very well for soil just because the buffering technology is dialed in for the 5.8 to 6 region. If soil is properly amended , why worry about the PH ? Have you all read UB's take on soil and ph? In a nutshell he says don't worry about it. The soil will do it's part. As for PH-Perfect. I have used it for quite awhile now with coco and promix and whenever I add something funky like pro-tek of cal/mag, thats when the ph goes to hell. The Sensi is designed for ph-perfect products only so you shouldn't be adding anything that is acidic or alkaline outside of their line. Hate on them if you will for doing that but it is what it is. The fact that ALL the nutrients are chelated (including the macro's) makes the elements more ph independent concerning uptake anyways. I found just Sensi by itself works fine in coco. no need for anything else, even with coco's high calcium demands. If you have a hard on to get some silica in there, use something neutral like Humboldt Structural Integrity(SI) or AN Rhino (BIG rip). These products do not affect the ph at all. The SI is loaded with silica but the Rhino only has .015%, total fricking highway robbery. If you grow in soil anyways, why the need for silica? In a nutshell, if using Sensi PH-perfect, use it and only the sups certified for PH-perfect or don't use it at all, go to the traditional Sensi then.
 
beuffer420

beuffer420

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patlpp said:
Why are so many people using soil when growing with synthetic nutes like Sensi PH-P? You would think soil growers would use the organic line and use Iguana or something like that. PH perfect IMO is not designed very well for soil just because the buffering technology is dialed in for the 5.8 to 6 region. If soil is properly amended , why worry about the PH ? Have you all read UB's take on soil and ph? In a nutshell he says don't worry about it. The soil will do it's part. As for PH-Perfect. I have used it for quite awhile now with coco and promix and whenever I add something funky like pro-tek of cal/mag, thats when the ph goes to hell. The Sensi is designed for ph-perfect products only so you shouldn't be adding anything that is acidic or alkaline outside of their line. Hate on them if you will for doing that but it is what it is. The fact that ALL the nutrients are chelated (including the macro's) makes the elements more ph independent concerning uptake anyways. I found just Sensi by itself works fine in coco. no need for anything else, even with coco's high calcium demands. If you have a hard on to get some silica in there, use something neutral like Humboldt Structural Integrity(SI) or AN Rhino (BIG rip). These products do not affect the ph at all. The SI is loaded with silica but the Rhino only has .015%, total fricking highway robbery. If you grow in soil anyways, why the need for silica? In a nutshell, if using Sensi PH-perfect, use it and only the sups certified for PH-perfect or don't use it at all, go to the traditional Sensi then.
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Yes advanced recommends you only use the calculator for the ph-p. the cal mag will def effect the buffers and I run in coco as well but rrecently changed to rock wool with way better results. Even in coco or the wool there is no need for cal mag base has plenty in it.
 
beuffer420

beuffer420

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Not to mention AN told me the only reason they made the cal mag was because people were complaining about how they didn't have any cal mag back in the day. Here's a little food for thought too. If you look at rare dankness web site they run the advanced sensi parts and only use big bud and overdrive. No other bottles just those two. I gave it a try on the last run only bases and big bud then week five overdrive. All I can say is man I have been spending too much money on those additive bottles. It ran great the way I described above too. Now I will say bud candy is a good product though. Not that my flowers aren't frosted as fuck but there's def more with using the bud candy but it seems like when I don't use it I get bigger trich head development.

Anyways I'm happy with the results and it will be cool to see the ph perfect coco base. The one thing I did notice at least in my garden was... In coco I do great till about the last stage of flower it seems like the ph is a little lower than some of my genetics preference I see minor ph issues but not enough to be upset over but still wasn't happy so changed it to the rock wool and bam no probs what so ever.

Whatever you run remember, put your heart into it, take pride in your garden it teaches many things besides how to water a plant and our particular plant has the ability to heal naturally with no physical addictions. To me that's something to respect to the fullest.
 
Motherhugger

Motherhugger

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beuffer420 said:
Yes advanced recommends you only use the calculator for the ph-p. the cal mag will def effect the buffers and I run in coco as well but rrecently changed to rock wool with way better results. Even in coco or the wool there is no need for cal mag base has plenty in it.
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About growers using organics, yes, those are certainly the 'best' when you want to be all hippie and natural, but I've found they're harder to control. And while I would like to say that I can deal with a grow not goign the way I want it to, I'd rather be putting my time and energy (and money!) into something that works.

Personally, for me, I've found that synthetics are easier to control and the results are just more consistent. Advanced Nutrients pH Perfect has been just what my grow has needed. OF course, that doesn't mean I'll never do organic growing again - just not right now.
 
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jj2012

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I have a 3 week old ghost train haze
Going in a 3 gallon dwc and im using pH perfect GMB. I am using reverse osmosis water with the dose they recommend. I mixed the micro first and left it until morning when I stirred it up and mixed grow then I left it until I got off work and mixed bloom. Smells awesome but I have brown spots all over older growth and it looks like new growth is starting to twist up no response from an so I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to pH or calmag and mess it up more but I can't do nothing either. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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jj2012

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I did try phing before I found out your not supposed to because i was having deficiencies but it didn't help. I would pH down before work and it would be sitting at 7 when I got home.. Sorry for hijacking your thread trulife. Don't know the difference between php for soil and for hydro but adjusting in hydro after nutes hasn't done me any good.
 
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topshelf128

Member
Trulife69 said:
I am running Advanced Sensi PH perfect nutes with soil plants. Just came across a article about how your not supposed to adjust the ph at all if your running ph perfect AND it said if you do ph it,it will cause your plants issues.

So..Anyone run Advanced PH perfect formula for soil plants and adjust their ph after adding all nutes in?? I know everyone is going to chime in on it should be adjust to ph6-6.3 but I want to know from someone who has done it with ph perfect in soil and what the deal is. When I mix up a half dose of sensi A and B and bloom additives my ph is either 6.7 or right at 7..I always have to adjust the ph to get it in range to feed the girls...bad idea??
let me know
Dont hate on A.N...Its just what im working with right now
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I use p.h perfect conniosseur A + B with pretty much all the extras except for bud factor x and the p.h every time ends up at a 6.2! So I add p.h up and adjust to 6.7 every time and my plants and perfectly healthy!!! Adjust accordingly...
 
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topshelf128

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topshelf128 said:
I use p.h perfect conniosseur A + B with pretty much all the extras except for bud factor x and the p.h every time ends up at a 6.2! So I add p.h up and adjust to 6.7 every time and my plants and perfectly healthy!!! Adjust accordingly...
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Just make sure to use lime always....I even use a handful with my seedlings to ensure proper p.h! I don't believe that buffer shit the soil company's claim...my first grow the runoff after my second watering was a 5.4 and I was pissed lol that was ocean forest and I hadn't incorporated any lime at that point!
 
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