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ginwilly

ginwilly

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Dr Kynes said:
tax proposals?

heres one:

Corporate income tax set to ~10% of gross receipts, No Deductions
10% duty on all imports, from anywhere
to do business in the US you must be a US registered corporation, and all your overseas employee payroll is taxed just as they would be in the US (Social security, disability, unemployment, etc)
corporations cant own a corporation (subsidiaries)

the result:
manufacturing comes back to the US, no more income tax laid on people (just corporations) no more artificially cheap imported goods, less money in washington so they have to spend it wisely or not at all.

when you tax people, either through income or consumption taxes, youre taxing them twice.
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Corporate law is something we need to take a hard look at. I wonder what abandoning the classification all together would look like.
 
overgrowem

overgrowem

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UncleBuck said:
you said, and i quote, that they were "unheard of" at the time.

kinda like flying cars are unheard of nowadays. but i'm sure you have a flying car.



this is beginning to look more and more like a murder mystery.
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Flying cars were invented around 48-52? Wish they were common.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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ginwilly said:
He could actually live it here with two major changes.
1) eliminate the immoral income tax and replace it with another form that makes sense in both an economic and social way. A consumption tax of some form is the best idea I've heard presented, if there are better ones we should look into them.

2) get back to leaving each other alone and respecting what the saying a man's home is his castle and realize to be truly free we should not care what he's doing. The caveat being that no children or animals are harmed and no other persons rights are being violated.

Two changes and RobRoy (and the rest of us) could live his life in this very country the way he (mostly) wishes. There will still be a big brother to deal with, but he'd be less intrusive and easier to avoid. Let's get him not just out of our bedroom, but out of our house as well.
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UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Dr Kynes said:
tax proposals?

heres one:

Corporate income tax set to ~10% of gross receipts, No Deductions
10% duty on all imports, from anywhere
to do business in the US you must be a US registered corporation, and all your overseas employee payroll is taxed just as they would be in the US (Social security, disability, unemployment, etc)
corporations cant own a corporation (subsidiaries)

the result:
manufacturing comes back to the US, no more income tax laid on people (just corporations) no more artificially cheap imported goods, less money in washington so they have to spend it wisely or not at all.

when you tax people, either through income or consumption taxes, youre taxing them twice.
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lol, most businesses pay less than 10%, that's an effective tax increase.

but of course manufacturing will magically come back.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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ginwilly said:
Which concepts? How?
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The concept of everyman leaving the next alone. If Ginwilly saw Rob Roy living life on his land with a beautiful wife, great fishing, hunting, land that produce plenty of food and Ginwilly wife was dead from starvation because he had no fishing, no animals for hunting and land was barren, whats going to stop Ginwilly from letting his emotions win if Rob Roy just wants to be left alone ?
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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londonfog said:
The concept of everyman leaving the next alone. If Ginwilly saw Rob Roy living life on his land with a beautiful wife, great fishing, hunting, land that produce plenty of food and Ginwilly wife was dead from starvation because he had no fishing, no animals for hunting and land was barren, whats going to stop Ginwilly from letting his emotions win if Rob Roy just wants to be left alone ?
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What's to stop me from going to the store and buying some Starkist? Wth London? That was dumb.

This may come as a shocker. Markets can exist without government intervention. I bought a lot of side of the road melons and oranges and don't care if the man claimed it or not. (unless of course he is one of those idiots that scream that others need to pay their fair share while he doesn't)
 
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londonfog

londonfog

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ginwilly said:
What's to stop me from going to the store and buying some Starkist? Wth London? That was dumb.

This may come as a shocker. Markets can exist without government intervention. I bought a lot of side of the road melons and oranges and don't care if the man claimed it or not. (unless of course he is one of those idiots that scream that others need to pay their fair share while he doesn't)
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The store does not sell to you. Remember we all can decide who we want to deal with.
 
C

Carthoris

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Dr Kynes said:
tax proposals?

heres one:

Corporate income tax set to ~10% of gross receipts, No Deductions
10% duty on all imports, from anywhere
to do business in the US you must be a US registered corporation, and all your overseas employee payroll is taxed just as they would be in the US (Social security, disability, unemployment, etc)
corporations cant own a corporation (subsidiaries)

the result:
manufacturing comes back to the US, no more income tax laid on people (just corporations) no more artificially cheap imported goods, less money in washington so they have to spend it wisely or not at all.

when you tax people, either through income or consumption taxes, youre taxing them twice.
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What does that accomplish that just having a sales tax wouldn't? Why should the government have any say so in what I do in a foreign country? Wouldn't taxing things that are sold take care of that? I think letting the government tax so many different things makes it confusing to know just how much you are being taxed. A 10% tax on corporate incomes is certainly paid by the customers in the end. Imports, sales tax, income tax, corporate income tax, stamps, docs, ect are all taxes that the customer has to pay in the end. I think the only real reason to have so many forms of taxation are to hide the fact that we are being taxed at such a high level.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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londonfog said:
The store does not sell to you. Remember we all can decide who we want to deal with.
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Then I go to the next store.

What happened in your life to think so low of whites? I would totally let you in my house, bring your daughter. I love talking to new PT students. Just use the back door in case my neighbors see you ;).

Seriously man, I'd like to hear your story why you think white people would all suddenly stop serving blacks. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but I didn't do it, nobody else I know did it either. You need to get out of California.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Carthoris said:
Have you ever been to a flea market or yard sale where they didn't want to sell you anything because you were black?
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He has his reasons why he thinks the way he does of white people. I'd like to hear them if he'd like to share. He might have legitimate experiences as to why he thinks this way.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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ginwilly said:
Then I go to the next store.

What happened in your life to think so low of whites? I would totally let you in my house, bring your daughter. I love talking to new PT students. Just use the back door in case my neighbors see you ;).

Seriously man, I'd like to hear your story why you think white people would all suddenly stop serving blacks. I'm sorry for what happened to you, but I didn't do it, nobody else I know did it either. You need to get out of California.
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I'm trying to show you why your concept would not work. It could be non-serving to whites, Asians. gays or what ever fuck up discrimination you prefer. Human emotions fucks your concept in the ass.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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UncleBuck said:
i can't speak for him, but in my case, i realized that people like you and catrapist exist.
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Ginwilly might be different depending on who was around. I get the feeling some brothers kicked his ass pretty bad growing up in Detroit. those ass beating stuck with him his whole life. Give me about 3 months one on one with him I think he can be changed. My first roommate in the service was like that. It was the way he was raised. Once he saw that not all people are the same he came around.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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londonfog said:
I'm trying to show you why your concept would not work. It could be non-serving to whites, Asians. gays or what ever fuck up discrimination you prefer. Human emotions fucks your concept in the ass.
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It could be? or it would be? it might not be? it probably will? it probably won't?

Just how much business do you think would use these tactics and how much effect would it have? 50%? 10%? 90%?
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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londonfog said:
Ginwilly might be different depending on who was around. I get the feeling some brothers kicked his ass pretty bad growing up in Detroit. those ass beating stuck with him his whole life. Give me about 3 months one on one with him I think he can be changed. My first roommate in the service was like that. It was the way he was raised. Once he saw that not all people are the same he came around.
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What a stupid ass thing to say. I base my beliefs on the fact that I've co-existed my entire life with all rainbows of people and have had no issues that plagued me for life based on color. I feel most people are the same in that regard, color doesn't matter to us in our day to day decision making.

I'm not the one here claiming white people only do business with you because of government force. That's on you, trying to turn this into me not liking blacks is out of left field, do better. I asked for the stories that are issues plaguing you for life. I know you have to have some or you wouldn't think so lowly of a sect of people based on skin color.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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ginwilly said:
What a stupid ass thing to say. I base my beliefs on the fact that I've co-existed my entire life with all rainbows of people and have had no issues that plagued for life based on color. I feel most people are the same in that regard, color doesn't matter to us in our day to day decision making.

I'm not the one here claiming white people only do business with you because of government force. That's on you, trying to turn this into me not liking blacks is out of left field, do better.
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oops someone seems upset
 
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