after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

nuglets · May 12, 2012

tree king said:
ok i gotcha. im just curious though, how come you dont do more plants and cut down the veg time? that month is a half a crop

not really if you think about it. i can't do anything more while the plants are in flower. takes 60-70 days. so if i did more plants but smaller i would just start them later. like right now i take a cutting when the other plants are 3 weeks into flower. it's rooted in a week. and then veg it for a month while the other ones finish up. if i did more smaller plants then i would just take the cuttings when the other plants were like 5 weeks into flower. no difference in the number of crops. plus i like bigger plants and bigger colas. i'm not really in it for the money. don't need it. just like fucking around with the plants and having free smoke. plus i can get rid of the excess to my close friends.

tree king · May 12, 2012

nuglets said:
not really if you think about it. i can't do anything more while the plants are in flower. takes 60-70 days. so if i did more plants but smaller i would just start them later. like right now i take a cutting when the other plants are 3 weeks into flower. it's rooted in a week. and then veg it for a month while the other ones finish up. if i did more smaller plants then i would just take the cuttings when the other plants were like 5 weeks into flower. no difference in the number of crops. plus i like bigger plants and bigger colas. i'm not really in it for the money. don't need it. just like fucking around with the plants and having free smoke. plus i can get rid of the excess to my close friends.

gotcha....

nuglets · May 12, 2012

tree king said:
gotcha....

i experimented with dropping the pH from 6.3 to 5.9 last night. not that they weren't doing great...just some small issues. ongoing debate about where to pH soiless mediums. figured i'd test it myself. though that my power plants were just slightly yellow. just got done checking on them and they don't look much better. maybe even a little worse. ran into a few other guys who did power plant. seems the natural color of the plant is lighter. i'm gonna keep the pH at 5.9 for the next watering/feed but i'm gonna throw 30-40% sensi grow into the mix. wanna see if she needs a little nitrogen maybe. could be a possibility since i ran bloom nutes from the beginning of flower. lots of guys running veg nutes the first 2 weeks of flower. plus a lot of guys running nitrogen boosters or at least 10-20% veg nutes throughout flower. depending on how that plays out i may push her back to pH 6.3

i'll keep you posted tree.

homebrewer · May 13, 2012

tree king said:
wow you never stop runnin your mouth. youl be talkin shit till the day you die and i now realize that. it turns out your even dumber than i thought you were. this fuckin dude thinks 22" plants are gonna produce as much as 3ft plants haaaa lol! not to mention the buds are more airy when using dyna and they dont look as good lol. your beginning to sound like a complete moron you should just not even talk anymore.

I wasn't running my mouth at all, I don't need to. This situation played-out in a very predictable manner and is documented in the pages behind us, I was just summing that up. Do you expect me to apologize for your lack of consistency? I mean, if you can't finish a healthy grow with your preferred plant food, then why should anyone trust your opinion on one you're not familiar with?

Take it your leave it but there is wisdom in my posts, you're just too new to see it.

nuglets · May 13, 2012

i found a pic of him for you tree. lmao.

tree king · May 13, 2012

nuglets said:
i found a pic of him for you tree. lmao.

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lol this dude is fuckin unbelievable

tree king · May 14, 2012

Pimpin Hard said:
i ran dyna grow a while back. grow, bloom, and protekt. it's a simple nute line that get's you average results. i wasn't really impressed by it. felt like it was a starter kit for new growers. real simple. no complexity to the formula or micro nutes. ran it through my flood tables for 3 harvests. was really disappointed in the yield and bud structure. great nute for new growers but as you become more experienced you should probably move on to a more complex formula as you start to understand the base and micro nutes and what they do to your plant.

the poor performance that you experienced is probably from being new to the formula, but also the lack of complexity in dyna grow. there's a reason it's so cheap.

i appreciate you responding in this thread you experienced the same thing i did and i would never use dyna again. hopefully a whole bunch of people dont start talkin shit to you cause theres a bunch of people following homebrewers advice like a cult on these forums. me you and some other people here know the real deal though

tree king · May 14, 2012

Pimpin Hard said:
that's funny. forums are like that i guess. like being in high school all over again. they can talk all the shit they want to me. i could care less. dyna grow got put through the ringer by me and it failed. been growin' for 15 years and i've run about 75% of the legit nute companies out there in that time. plus a bunch of the supplements. dyna doesn't even come close to the yields of h&g, canna, advanced, and a few others. it's a newb nute meant to give you average results and help new growers keep it simple. it's not meant for experienced growers who understand nutrient complexities. i ended up using mine to feed some flowers and stuff in the garden afterward. didn't care cause it was so cheap.

which nutes did you end up liking better advanced or h&g? feel free to talk about canna too if you want ive never tried them or h&g. a couple people that use AN are testing out h&g as we speak to see if they can get better results ive heard alot of good things about them. im personally more concerned about how these nutes work in aero cause thats what im doing from now on

tree king · May 14, 2012

Pimpin Hard said:
i run advanced when i'm doing hydro. their lineup let's me customize my plants nutes throughout the cycle. plus their yields were always the best. i've always used the sensi line. i tried aqua flakes from h&g but seemed like their were some deficiencies in their base nutes. great additives but i came back to advanced. it's the best quality product i've run in hydro and also the most stable. plus it's very consistent whereas with other nutes you get different batches all the time.

i used canna for the longest time in soil, soiless, or coco. made the switch to h&g about 18 months ago. ran a couple crops with it and seems to be a better fit with the teas i run. the yields were same but the odor and taste was noticeably better. AN is a little hot to run in soil in my opinion. you need to dial it down too much and then your supplement ratios get all messed up.

nice to know im already running the best. have you tried connoisseur? i was gonna switch to connoisseur ph perfect after my sensi nutes run out cause i figured its the top of the line. could you list all the additives you use in flower from AN? curious to know

tree king · May 14, 2012

Pimpin Hard said:
i haven't tried it yet. i've heard some mixed reviews on it. not that i care about the price at all but i think that has kept me away from it too. from what i have hear there are supposed to be higher grade elements in the formula as well as increased amino acids and more readily available nutrient uptake, especially in hydro. same NPK ration for the most part though. i'm sure i'll try it out soon enough. maybe by the end of the year. i'm in no rush.

for flower in hydro i use sensi 2 part, sensi cal bloom, overdrive, sensizym, and rhino skin. that's it. i run aquashield from botanicare or a tea recipe that i brew. that's more for beneficial bacteria and fungi in the reservoir which help keep the roots clean and healthy which increases uptake which means you use less nutes and also helps control pH fluctuations. products like great white and orca are pointless in my opinion. those things are retarded expensive and you can do the same with a simple compost tea or a good zym product and aquashield.

sensi cal bloom huh never heard of it, how come you use that? you dont use big bud? im curious does rhino skin move the ppm at all? sorry to bombard you with all these questions lol. i think im gonna stop using b-52 in flower because it ups the ppm too much. im gonna substitute the nirvana instead for it cause its only half the ppm and a similar product. if the rhino skin doesnt raise the ppm too much im gonna start using that too once my barricade is gone

tree king · May 14, 2012

Pimpin Hard said:
no sweat man. sensi cal is just cal/mag. i use both the sensi cal grow and bloom. i like it cause it has a little N boost in it. lots of formulas; especially dyna grow; are way too light on the N in flower. the sensi cal gives me a little N kick with the cal/mag.

big bud and overdrive are the same thing basically in different ratios. they are both PK boosters. i just use overdrive but town it down for the first 2-3 weeks as it's a little heavy for them early on in flower. plus overdrive has a little N and Mg in it too. i like the little bit of N for the same reason as above but also the boost in Mg helps to. the sensi cal is 3-1 in cal/mag and the overdrive gives me a little more Mg.

rhino skin is a concentrated silica. it will affect the ppm levels but not much in relative comparison to other additives.

i wouldn't use b-52 and one is not to replace the other. they are entirely different. b-52 is a humic acid supplement with vitamin b-1 while nirvana is basically an organic potassium supplement with enzymes, amino acids, and proteins. i don't use either cause i use sensizym and aquashield or compost teas. if you wanted to though i would say go ahead and use nirvana in your reservoir. not as a foliar spray though.

yeah i dont know whats up with AN customer service but a while ago they told me b-52 and nirvana was the same exact thing and pick one to use. i figured b-52 would be better for hydro but after thinking about it since nirvana is half the ppm im gonna use that and just foliar spray the b-52. i dont know if you tried it but b-52 is amazing as a foliar spray i love it. nirvana also has humic acid and b vitamins in it. i dont understand why both these products have some of the same ingredients.

why wouldnt you use b-52 pimpin? my fault i gotta go to sleep now il talk more with you tomorrow thanks for all the info

Motherhugger · May 14, 2012

tree king said:
sensi 2 part, barricade, b-52, big bud/overdrive, bud candy

Yes - LOVE Sensi. Not really a barricade user, but I'll have to look into it.

Lots o good stuff here. I'd just add Voodoo, at least. Piranha and Final Phase are pretty great too.

Good luck!

wheels619 · May 14, 2012

Pimpin Hard said:
i ran dyna grow a while back. grow, bloom, and protekt. it's a simple nute line that get's you average results. i wasn't really impressed by it. felt like it was a starter kit for new growers. real simple. no complexity to the formula or micro nutes. ran it through my flood tables for 3 harvests. was really disappointed in the yield and bud structure. great nute for new growers but as you become more experienced you should probably move on to a more complex formula as you start to understand the base and micro nutes and what they do to your plant.

the poor performance that you experienced is probably from being new to the formula, but also the lack of complexity in dyna grow. there's a reason it's so cheap.

i used a bunch of samples i got from a grow show a while back but wasnt too impressed to tell u the truth. the only thing i dug out of it was the neem and the protekt from them.

tree king · May 14, 2012

Pimpin Hard said:
b-52 just seems like a waste to me. it's a nutrient with an NPK of 2-1-4 that has vitamin b-1 and humic acid in low amounts. you can get those from other products with far better benefits and no base nutes in them. plus, i've never seen b-1 vitamins like that or superthrive actually aid in plant development or transplant shock or any of those claims.

double check that nirvana though. i'm pretty sure it has no b-1 vitamin in it.

heres a quote fron AN's website. "Nirvana has a yeast component that contains 22 essential amino acids that build plant proteins, and it's also loaded with B vitamins"
http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/Nirvana/nirvana_product_information.php

other things ive found thats in it after reading the description is alfalfa extract, Ascophyllum nodosum algae (along with kelp extracts), soy protein, Chilean Soap Bark and Yucca, bat guano, azomite, humic and fulvic acid. a guy on another forum that i respect alot always said nirvana is your humic and fulvic in 1 bottle and b-52 is your b vitamins. his name is toohighmf he was the guy who created the 2 part program for advanced but doesnt work for them anymore. tell you the truth what he says makes more sense than customer service saying there both the same products. i just remembered another reason why i chose b-52 over nirvana. nirvana was making my res and tray a mess because of whats in it. after thinking about this im still up in the air on weather im gonna use nirvana or not maybe il test it out in my new aero system and see if it makes a mess. no b-52 for me from now on though in the res. id also like to find out what you guys think about bud factor x being that im barely even using that many additives right now

squarepush3r · May 14, 2012

Bud Factor X may offer some slight benefit but imo is not worth it for the price.

tree king · May 14, 2012

squarepush3r said:
Bud Factor X may offer some slight benefit but imo is not worth it for the price.

thanks for your imput squarepush.

pimpin are you sure about whats in bud factor x because i was told by the guy toohigh and a bunch of other people that it contains scorpion juice and colossal bud blast in one bottle. to my knowledge scorpion juice contains a special substance that makes the plants think there being attacked and it makes the plants create more resin for protection. back in the day people used to say scorpion juice was incredible

homebrewer · May 14, 2012

tree king said:
other things ive found thats in it after reading the description is alfalfa extract, Ascophyllum nodosum algae (along with kelp extracts), soy protein, Chilean Soap Bark and Yucca, bat guano, azomite, humic and fulvic acid. a guy on another forum that i respect alot always said nirvana is your humic and fulvic in 1 bottle and b-52 is your b vitamins. his name is toohighmf he was the guy who created the 2 part program for advanced but doesnt work for them anymore. tell you the truth what he says makes more sense than customer service saying there both the same products. i just remembered another reason why i chose b-52 over nirvana. nirvana was making my res and tray a mess because of whats in it. after thinking about this im still up in the air on weather im gonna use nirvana or not maybe il test it out in my new aero system and see if it makes a mess. no b-52 for me from now on though in the res. id also like to find out what you guys think about bud factor x being that im barely even using that many additives right now

Just wanted to quote Toohighmf on a couple of things for ya'. I agree, he knows his stuff

. Good luck and keep 'em green!

toohighmf said:
I been recommending Dyna bloom forever.. shit works great and you really can't screw it up.

toohighmf said:
obviously you don't read my posts. I am an ex technical rep for AN. I own a hydroshop. I distribute specialty niche products. I am an ex snake oil peddler gone straight.. I have used:
peter's, jacks professional, osmocote, super grow/bloom 1 part powder (white can w typewritten label back in the late '80's) then on to their SVA/B liquid 2 part, supernaturals, GH flora series, lucas, MB, Floramato, FNB, Nutrilife heavy harvest 2 part, ALL AN liquid fertilizers including their "Super Nutrient" line (supernaturals aqua, terra, formulas) Ionic, CES, Canna, B'cuzz, botanicare, earthjuice, foxfarm, Rock, Technoflora, DNF, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. Heavy 16 sounds like the real deal too and can't wait to try it.

Fertilizer is 1-10% of the equation. enviro, water quality, and root health are going to do the most for plants. you can feed a plant the bare esentials and as long as the PH is in an acceptable range, it will bloom jut fine.

everyone is just stuck on marketing hype, or has a friend that grows the best weed on the planet and he uses this and that blah blah blah. They all work. I like the dynagrow Bloom because with tapwater I use very little. 3-4ml/gal.
concentration and having all 16 essential minerals are important for me. if I'm going to buy water w salts in it, it better be stabile and require a very low dose.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=222223&page=2

The Growery · May 14, 2012

I just finished a dyna gro grow and got over 3 lbs. off of 4 plants under 2000 watts.

tree king · May 14, 2012

The Growery said:
I just finished a dyna gro grow and got over 3 lbs. off of 4 plants under 2000 watts.

no disrespect the growery but thats not even close to a gram per watt and since you only have 4 plants than that means you veged those for a very long time. if i were you i would test out advanced nutrients im confident you would get much better results

tree king · May 14, 2012

homebrewer said:
Just wanted to quote Toohighmf on a couple of things for ya'. I agree, he knows his stuff . Good luck and keep 'em green!

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=222223&page=2

im well aware that he also loves dyna gro but we all cant agree on everything. im not gonna agree and follow every single thing he says like a cult but i respect him alot. i can almost guarentee too that if i said i like another nute better he wouldnt insult me like some people. as far as ingredients for AN products though he's the man. just to point out also he had a falling out with AN so there could be some personal feelings involved between them leading to him not recommending them. no better proof than trying the nutes yourself like i already did

after trying dyna gro im switching back to advanced nutrients 2 part

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