AG Garland appoints special counsel

Yep, looks like Donald is cracking up as he goes down!

Ya can measure Trump's stress level by how much he untruths, used to be tweets and may be again, Elon would let him tweet from his cell, but access to a phone would be an issue. I'm sure freedom of speech for America's prisoners will become a burning issue for the maga republicans in the near future, prisoners should have full internet and phone access! At least rich white ones...

I predict Free Donald will be the next scam, when Donald is indicted for the docs it will be another chance to grift that will go on long after he is blubbering in a cell. He is being sued out of financial existence though, so the money had better go to some kind of trust fund, preferably offshore! His kids can't even have anything to do with it either since the NY trouble and pending indictments for them and him over the Trump org. Right now his aid's and minions are being stripped away and he doesn't know who is talking to grand juries and is being swamped by Jack while having his support cut off. Even his stash of sucker cash and the scams are at risk for wire fraud and the money seized. He is being besieged on all sides with multiple criminal and civil threats closing in and a near endless number of civil suits pending, depending on the outcome of J6 criminal charges. He caused everybody around him to be exposed to prosecution for very serious crimes that are easily proved in many cases. Jack has a forest of levers to use against him and others in the J6 conspiracy and it's associated plots. Jack will take him down over the documents and obstruction cases soon I figure, they will take the kingpin down first and fast using the low hanging fruit.

What is Gym gonna do when Jack indicts Donald, more importantly, what is he gonna do if Mark rats him out to the feds over J6?

cannabineer said:

Wanting smaller government correlates tightly with the sort of libertarian ideology that opens doors to fascism.
It is identifiable by a triad of policy aims:
small government
deregulated markets
low taxes
which, when followed to their logical end, means eliminating social aid to the poor and disabled, freeing corporations to overcharge for everything while preaching the bullshit of trickle-down, and eliminating the republic’s immune system against frankly undemocratic movements like maga, the Klan, and dominionists.

Incompatible with any recognizable hippie ideal. They were about compassion, in stark contrast to libertarians.

The Libertarianism-to-Fascism Pipeline | National Review

If libertarians have a pipeline for kooks, it is probably because they have some non-mainstream views.

www.nationalreview.com

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All these things you imply the government should provide. Remind me a whole lot of China and North Korea and Russia and even Canada to a large part. And every single thing the government takes away they take from the people. Simply put I don't agree with the distribution of wealth.

I see they found yet again more classified material concerning Biden. I wonder how many of these documents might be Ukraine or China related?

Hotrod2 said:

All these things you imply the government should provide. Remind me a whole lot of China and North Korea and Russia and even Canada to a large part. And every single thing the government takes away they take from the people. Simply put I don't agree with the distribution of wealth.

I see they found yet again more classified material concerning Biden. I wonder how many of these documents might be Ukraine or China related?

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and I disagree with the implied social Darwinism, red in tooth and claw.

But at a more profound level I think that allowing the monied class to build its pleasure-dome without regulation or limit … is an inherently unsustainable situation. It will crash, bringing into being a loss of culture and a spike in human suffering so complete as to make the fall of Rome and the following brutal millennium shrink to the scale of a school-play rehearsal. I do not want my grandchildren to inherit a Road Warrior wasteland or the planet of the apes (original Heston version). Libertarians, in their failure to run the logic to its savage conclusion, are putting global civilization at grave risk. Thus I oppose them and their credo.

Hotrod2 said:

All these things you imply the government should provide. Remind me a whole lot of China and North Korea and Russia and even Canada to a large part. And every single thing the government takes away they take from the people. Simply put I don't agree with the distribution of wealth.

I see they found yet again more classified material concerning Biden. I wonder how many of these documents might be Ukraine or China related?

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It looks like you know as much about China, North Korea, Russia and Canada as you do about your own country.

That’s what happens when you skip civics classes in school.

Hotrod2 said:

All these things you imply the government should provide. Remind me a whole lot of China and North Korea and Russia and even Canada to a large part. And every single thing the government takes away they take from the people. Simply put I don't agree with the distribution of wealth.

I see they found yet again more classified material concerning Biden. I wonder how many of these documents might be Ukraine or China related?

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Why not wait till it all comes out rather than speculate?
Speaking of such how does trump know what the documents pertain to ?
You seem adapt at conspiratorial theories so how does the Don know?

CunningCanuk said:

when you skip civics classes

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especially embarrassing in auto tech school

Hotrod2 said:

All these things you imply the government should provide. Remind me a whole lot of China and North Korea and Russia and even Canada to a large part. And every single thing the government takes away they take from the people. Simply put I don't agree with the distribution of wealth.

I see they found yet again more classified material concerning Biden. I wonder how many of these documents might be Ukraine or China related?

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Rob Roy, using a sock puppet account is against TOS.

Fogdog said:

Rob Roy, it is against TOS to post using a sock puppet account.

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the absence of any of the words “slavery, coercion, voluntary, rational” suggests that this is the sock of a different and garden-variety maga. The anarcho-hominid has a unique pseudo-erudite style, which I imagine he could not effectively conceal.

(edit) ooh! “aggression”

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the absence of any of the words “slavery, coercion, voluntary, rational” suggests that this is the sock of a different and garden-variety maga. The anarcho-hominid has a unique pseudo-erudite style.

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We need a sarcasm font.

Regardless the difference in their use of adjectives, the two share the same mindless belief that their lives would be better if there were no government. It is a belief most commonly found in antebellum slave states and that later instituted Jim Crow laws including segregation. That says it all regarding what they really want.

Fogdog said:

We need a sarcasm font.

Regardless the difference in their use of adjectives, the two share the same mindless belief that their lives would be better if there were no government. It is a belief most commonly found in antebellum slave states and that later instituted Jim Crow laws including segregation. That says it all regarding what they really want.

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I wonder then what drives the considerable number of nonwhite “libertarians”. They can’t all be dupes.

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I wonder then what drives the considerable number of nonwhite “libertarians”. They can’t all be dupes.

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Show me a libertarian of the US variety and I'll show you a dupe. US libertarian ideology was crafted by a small group of economists working for a foundation that was funded by wealthy people who were searching for a political alternative to the New Deal. One of the founders even bragged about the propaganda coup they pulled off when they corrupted the meaning of libertarian from "for liberty" to "for property owners"

Murray N. Rothbard

“One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over...”

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Show me a libertarian of the US variety and I'll show you a dupe. US libertarian ideology was crafted by a small group of economists working for a foundation that was funded by wealthy people who were searching for a political alternative to the New Deal. One of the founders even bragged about the propaganda coup they pulled off when they corrupted the meaning of libertarian from "for liberty" to "for property owners"

Murray N. Rothbard

“One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over...”

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That seems to contradict your first sentence. The rest, with which I agree, means that many or most libertarians expect to be in the ruling or winner class of the sought authoritarian state. Most of these are dupes, but the final winners are the perpetrator class.
The English idiom “a person of quality” comes to mind, which vividly illustrates the idea of a leader class and a much larger (not truly human) loser class, to be exploited at will because there can be no crime against those who ultimately have no souls.

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That seems to contradict your first sentence. The rest, with which I agree, means that many or most libertarians expect to be in the ruling or winner class of the sought authoritarian state. Most of these are dupes, but the final winners are the perpetrator class.
The English idiom “a person of quality” comes to mind, which vividly illustrates the idea of a leader class and a much larger (not truly human) loser class, to be exploited at will because there can be no crime against those who ultimately have no souls.

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Wealthy people aren't libertarians. (Yes, I just made a sweeping statement and I suppose you could point to one who says they are.) Wealthy people are just about holding onto or growing their power and wealth. For example, the concept of a truly competitive free market is anathema to the the rich and powerful. To them, a fair share of the market is all of it.

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Wealthy people aren't libertarians. (Yes, I just made a sweeping statement and I suppose you could point to one who says they are.) Wealthy people are just about holding onto or growing their power and wealth. For example, the concept of a truly competitive free market is anathema to the the rich and powerful. To them, a fair share of the market is all of it.

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(It’s not my goal to nitpick.)
But if you accept my elaboration of the model above, wealthy people are the libertarians, the nondupe ones, since the libertarian (ignoring the cynical semantics) goal is establishment of and participation in an ultimately hereditary nobility.

cannabineer said:

(It’s not my goal to nitpick.)
But if you accept my elaboration of the model above, wealthy people are the libertarians, the nondupe ones, since the libertarian (ignoring the cynical semantics) goal is establishment of and participation in an ultimately hereditary nobility.

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The principle that sells (dupes) people to earnestly say they are libertarians is the concept of voluntary association and belief in "the power of a free market". As you say, the end state of libertarian economics and ideology is hereditary nobility and monopoly of markets, which is exactly the opposite of what the literature used to sell libertarianism says it is. Hotrod, for example. He's just a dupe. Same with Rob Roy.

So, yeah, wealthy people are selling libertarianism but they are confidence men who don't really subscribe to it themselves. What they are after is monopoly and power concentrated in their own hands.

Fogdog said:

The principle that sells (dupes) people to earnestly say they are libertarians is the concept of voluntary association and belief in "the power of a free market". As you say, the end state of libertarian economics and ideology is hereditary nobility and monopoly of markets, which is exactly the opposite of what the literature used to sell libertarianism says it is. Hotrod, for example. He's just a dupe. Same with Rob Roy.

So, yeah, wealthy people are selling libertarianism but they are confidence men who don't really subscribe to it themselves. What they are after is monopoly and power concentrated in their own hands.

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which is why I parenthetically described the semantics as cynical.

A similar state of affairs was seen in Soviet “communism”, whose real nature was illustrated by full Party membership only being available to a tiny and privileged minority.