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Al B. Fuct

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K thank you, but I have seriously have called more than 10 shops and they all said the same.
All very curious. Went looking for info. I've been all over Google and can't find any news about H2O2 being withdrawn from sale in Cowabunga.

Discount Hydroponics in Riverside sells 35% H2O2: Discount Hydroponics - HyOx

Better Grow Hydro in LA has it (strength not speciified): Oxy Blast! - gallon |

Pacific Coast Hydro in LA has it: Search Results : Pacific Coast Hydroponics, Premium Indoor Gardening Supplies

GoBig Hydroponics in LA has it: GoBig hydroponics H2O2
 

Kaosisglobal

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Hey Al, since you look familiar with the online sites, do you know of the cheapest site for a ph and tds pen, or the cheapest all in one unit. I had clicked Discount Hydro, and they had the TDS pen for $35, but it had a bad review.
 

Al B. Fuct

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I would avoid all-in-one meters. pH meter electrodes only last 2 years (on any pH meter). After then, they have to be replaced. If you buy a pH only meter with a user-replaceable electrode, you won't be without your meter come electrode replacement time. I use Eutech pH meters for this reason. Not cheap, but a $112 meter that lasts 6-7 or more years is cheaper than a $30-50 meter every 1-2 years.

Bluelab's Truncheon TDS meter is the gold standard for reliability in nute meters. Avoid thir pHTruncheon- it's a mutt. I had 3 fail in rapid succession before I gave up. The Truncheon TDS meter is bulletproof, tho. Will be the last meter you buy, mine's 7 or 8 years old.
 

Kaosisglobal

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I would avoid all-in-one meters. pH meter electrodes only last 2 years (on any pH meter). After then, they have to be replaced. If you buy a pH only meter with a user-replaceable electrode, you won't be without your meter come electrode replacement time. I use Eutech pH meters for this reason. Not cheap, but a $112 meter that lasts 6-7 or more years is cheaper than a $30-50 meter every 1-2 years.

Bluelab's Truncheon TDS meter is the gold standard for reliability in nute meters. Avoid thir pHTruncheon- it's a mutt. I had 3 fail in rapid succession before I gave up. The Truncheon TDS meter is bulletproof, tho. Will be the last meter you buy, mine's 7 or 8 years old.
Cool, So I'm guessing that I should also stay away from the meters in the $40 range. As I look around they seem cheap for a reason. The Truncheon is fair priced. Definantly cool. Thanks for the recommendation. I will also try to hit the dro shop here (which isn't really local), and see what they have to offer. I'll let you know how it goes.
 

jivalst

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Ok Al,

Does this look correct for a 12x12 room with 4'x6' flood trays? Given that this is done correctly what do you estimate my yeild running Big Bud? How many clones would it take to fill my 4x6 trays? I'm thinking 36. Thanks in advance.

I also thinkin I'll use my 1000hps for my mothers...what you think?
 

edux10

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hey AL are you using CO2? What controller do you use or how do you set up your timer. Thanks!!
 

grandpabear3

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any validity to the claim that gh flora micro and bloom will burn the plants if used at recomended strength? i heard that you can't follow the chart on the bottle, that your supposed to use about half of what they recommend.
 

rbahadosingh

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Hey al any guesses on what my yield might be? 40 plants in SOG under 1000w HPS. all about a foot and a half and dont look like they are getting any taller
 

Al B. Fuct

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Ok Al,

Does this look correct for a 12x12 room with 4'x6' flood trays?
No- you generally want no more than 3 cooltubes in series, at least when pushing them with your average 150mm axial blower. Each lamp will raise the temp of the air passing by them by about 6-7C for a 1000, 5-6C for a 600, 4-5C for a 400.

With 1000s and an intake air temp of 20C, the temp of the air reaching cooltube #4 will be approaching 41C. The presence of the lamps and sockets in the tubes impedes airflow. 3 in a row is tolerable for your average 150mm axial blower (free air rating usually ~200CFM, drops lots with obstructions) but axials don't work well into high static pressures/obstructions. So, while even 41C air will pick up the lamp heat, the 4th tube's glass will probably get warm, defeating the purpose to some degree. The reduced airflow may also cause the glass on 1, 2 & 3 to be warmer than they should be as well.

If you have to daisy chain a lot of tubes or have a lot of sharp bends in ducting, you should opt for a centrifugal blower. Unfortunately, 150mm centrifs are both rare and about 4-6x the cost of an axial.

Cooltube blowers should push cool air into the duct instead of pulling warm air from the exhuast end or being fitted inline. Fans should be kept out of the warm air stream- this can reduce their lifespan significantly.

There is no need for a carbon filter on a closed cooltube air circuit. Air is drawn from outside the room and dumped outside, so there's no scent in the air running through the cooltubes.

Cooltubes must have their own blower; there must be separate blowers for intake and exhaust of room air, controlled by a thermostat. Cooltubes require constant airflow during lights-on. If a single blower is used to drive the cooltube and vent the room, it can not be operated on a thermostat. Stopping the airflow during lights-on will cause the cooltube to overheat. Room air temp stability will be poor if it is constantly ventilated with no thermostatic control.
Given that this is done correctly what do you estimate my yeild running Big Bud? How many clones would it take to fill my 4x6 trays? I'm thinking 36.
A well running SoG op can make 1-1.25oz per plant.

I also thinkin I'll use my 1000hps for my mothers...what you think?
I'm thinkin' that's way too much for mums. Use a 400 or a 250.

hey AL are you using CO2? What controller do you use or how do you set up your timer. Thanks!!
No, I'm not using CO2. If I did, I would opt ONLY for a 'smart' CO2 controller, one which has the ability to measure CO2 ppm and add more gas as needed. These 'smart' controllers also operate the exhaust blower and /or aircon units. These 'smart' types are EXXY, usually >$1000 or more- and that's on top of hiring an E size cyl of CO2 and purchase of a regulator. Timer-only based CO2 applicators don't have the ability to measure gas and don't know to add more if the exhaust fans have run and blown all the gas out. You have no idea whether your gas did any good at all. 'Smart' controllers are costly going in but reduce your CO2 refill costs to the minimum and also assure that you have enough gas concentration to have done some good. Properly done, CO2 can increase yields 20-30%. Only you can decide whether dropping a couple grand is worth that yield increase. In my case, it's not worth it.

any validity to the claim that gh flora micro and bloom will burn
Can't comment, I don't use GH, can't even get it here that I know of.

Hey al any guesses on what my yield might be? 40 plants in SOG under 1000w HPS.
Like I have said, a properly operating SoG op should be making about 1-1.25oz per plant. You can fit as many as 4 plants per sq ft in SoG. I don't go quite that dense. My op is about 2.6 plants per sq ft.
 

rbahadosingh

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Like I have said, a properly operating SoG op should be making about 1-1.25oz per plant. You can fit as many as 4 plants per sq ft in SoG. I don't go quite that dense. My op is about 2.6 plants per sq ft.
yeah i know you said that. but given the circumstances that my plants probably wont get to the SOG norm of 36" - 40" tall per plant. what do you think they will yield if they finish at 24" or less.
 

Al B. Fuct

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yeah i know you said that. but given the circumstances that my plants probably wont get to the SOG norm of 36" - 40" tall per plant. what do you think they will yield if they finish at 24" or less.
wow, hard to say. It really depends on how severe the stunting is; what's actually causing it, whether some transient problem condition or one that's ongoing, etc. It could be as bad as 1/4z per, all things considered.

Extending the flowering time may minimise the loss in slowies, but keep an eye out for hermaphrodism. Sometimes long flowering plants can pop out a few bananas and make a mess of things if not caught & removed from the room ASAP.
 

jivalst

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Lets see if this would work. Check out the new layout

I know that there a four lights per run but maybe I could just get a larger fan?

If so what size centrifu Fan do you recomend?

Is it a problem to reduce the duct size connecting to the cool tubes...so the duct is large enough for the fan?

Would you suggest blowing the light heat inside the attic instead of out the window and just the scrubber out the window?
 

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Al B. Fuct

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Lets see if this would work. Check out the new layout
Better!

I see what you're doing schematically, but in practise, replace the 90 deg bends on the cooltube ducts with wide, sweeping curves. Less flow restriction.

Carbon filters are not usually inline devices, though I think you can get inlines for a bit more dough. Shop around. Most have got a duct flange on one end but the sides of the barrel, made of a carbon impregnated foam ie Odorsok type or in traditional types, by two concentric barrels of screen with activated carbon granules filling the gap between the screen barrels, is where the air exits.

I'm sorry, I giggled at your note about a 'coal' filter. Wondered if you were going to use anthracite or lignite. ;) The material is activated carbon aka activated charcoal, not coal. Close carbon cousins but very different in physical properties.

I know that there a four lights per run but maybe I could just get a larger fan?

If so what size centrifu Fan do you recomend?
A 150mm centrif will do for 4 in a row and you'll need 2. A 250mm centrif could be used with a wye & adapters to drive both runs of 4, tho. However, you'll gasp when you see the prices of centrifs.

You may want to remap this into 3 duct runs with 3 cooltubes in two of the duct runs and 2 in the remainder, each run pushed with a good quality though comparatively inexpensive 150mm axial. I bet it works out hundreds of dollars cheaper even with 3 fans and more ducting.

Any of the 3 ways would work as well. Just depends on wot you wanna spend. :)

Is it a problem to reduce the duct size connecting to the cool tubes...so the duct is large enough for the fan?
No, easy. Moulded plastic reducers are available from giant hardware and hydro shops for this purpose. You can get 150-250mm adapters, wye pipes, etc.

Would you suggest blowing the light heat inside the attic instead of out the window and just the scrubber out the window?
I'd dump it all into the attic. Less noise outdoors, no telltale vent blower pumping air out the window. The attic has several vent points. Your room
heat will be dispersed in the attic airmass and be vented out many points.

IF LEO were so inclined as to look at your house with FLIR (which he can't legally do unless he has 'drug activity' evidence with which to FIRST get a warrant), your heat signature is minimised. Stealth aircraft do the same thing, they mix their engine exhaust gas with other air and disperse it through a larger number of small vents.
 

CALIGIRL

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Hey abf i went to check on my clones today, and the tops of some of them are purplish? Any idea what this is?





thanks =)
 

KidCreole

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hey quick question. im way too high to figure this out on my own and i thought you might know the answer. I heard that spraying nicotea on plants can kill spidermites, but how is that not dangerous when the final product is, if ever, smoked? Are you unknowingly giving yourself cancer?
 
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