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Al B. Fuct

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Man i wish i knew how to break up a paragraph like that.
I break up text into paragraphs by subject. When I'm done with some idea, it's just sensible to break the para for the benefit of the reader.
I didnt understand what u ment by make sure they(what are u referring to) are 1/2 above the flood line. Is ther a rule for how high to flood?
Here, have a bit more of my kindergarten art...



RW cubes cannot tolerate frequent flooding, but pellets can. You're simply looking to keep the RW cube 1/2" above the flood level. Pellets in the 1/2" above the flood level will be damp enough for roots to seek into them.

Users of such an arrangement may wish to handwater the pellets around the cube (but not the cube itself) during the first week that the rooted clone in RW cube is in the pellets, to encourage roots to find the frequently flooded pellets down below. Wetting the cube will encourage roots to stay in the cube instead of knitting into the pellets.
i was under the impression that flood table where old school and looked right past it thinking newer is better..
oops. ;)

Now im just thinking about the possibilities.. Being able to change the plant count and size of the plants for diff grows sounds awesome. Im definately gonna do a journal for this one!
I use flood systems for several reasons beyond what you've just stated, mainly high reliability and low maintenance.

Hey Al,

Thanks for all you do here, it is appreciated by many of us.
no worries :)

If I have an air conditioner where I can control the room temperature should I just set the room to 30degrees C and skip the heating pad in the clone room or should I use the heating pad anyway?
Just to be clear, you need a proper horticultural heat mat, never a heating pad as used for people. Heating pads for people get far too hot. My heat mat is moulded in silicone rubber and lays totally flat, allowing good thermal transfer into the RW cubes. Heating pads for people are usually floppy & flexible... and are not waterproof.

I don't think you need an aircon unit to control the air temp of a clone box to 30C. Your clonebox will have some fluoro lighting, which makes a significant amount of heat.



A thermostatically controlled exhaust fan fitted to your clonebox (as you see in mine on the upper left, thermostat is at plant level) will keep air temp at 30C, presuming that the air that is available to be drawn into the clonebox is below 30C.

Also, when you treat your tanks with H2O2 every 3-4 days, how do you apply that chemical to your resevoirs?
I simply measure the appropriate amt of H2O2 into a graduated measuring cup and dump it in the nute tank, nothing complex!

Coco Coir - any thoughts on it? I got a bunch and plan on using it like soil. Think it will survive in an Flood-n-Drain? (Granted a filter bag for the pump.)
I would not use coir. Coir is an organic material and can support pathogen growth or may fragment when exposed to H2O2, letting bits loose into the recirculating watering system, whatever is being used.

Lollipopping- I veg my cuttings for about a month. (smaller cuttings) I feel cutting the lower stuff off in veg might be a bit nicer to the gals. I'm thinking about a week before flowering? Or maybe throughout the veg stage?
Vegging cuttings before introduction to a SoG op will cause them to get too tall. The point of flowering immediately after setting root is keeping plants short, so all bud mass is in the maximum light coverage area.

Humidity: Being a soil guy (at least for now) my humidity is low say 35-45%, see this as a prob? (just a gut feeling that hydro raises the RH more so then soil)
I suppose that moisture may evaporate from certain types of hydro media more readily than from soil, but your ventilation system should cope with this.

I'm setting up a quick & cheap Flood-n-Drain for some winter veggies. (and testing/learning). Going to do a tray with clay pellets I guess. My Q is what to keep the plants in. RW scares me a bit. I have a nasty time cloning in it. Always keep it too wet. Net pots maybe?
Details of watering RW cubes is here: https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/15030-batch-clones-rockwool.html

Any subs for H2O2? (didn't think so :) )
Yep. ;)

I read somewhere on here, as a rule of thumb, that if the ppm stays steady, its right, if it falls, you need it higher initially, and if it raises you need it lower initially; all as the water level drops. Seemed to make sense to me.
If your nute strength jumps up while the tank level falls, the tank is too small for the plants it is supplying. Undersized tanks require topping up with plain water between tank dumps, or else nute strength may bump up high enough to burn plants.

If the nute strength falls without topping the tank between dumps, there is more tank volume than needed. Try only filling the tank to 3/4 the capacity.

If the nute strength stays constant while the water level drops, the tank size is perfect.

And old biz: They make solid state buck/boost 3 phase converter. They aren't that efficient, but are about the size of a cigar box.
yeah, now all I need is the Bridgeport mill to run on that 3Φ... and then the time to use it...
Oh, a little while back, you were talking about one of the Canna nutes burning. There is one outfit out there that makes individual nutes, aka: a N sauce, P sauce, K sauce. I'll hunt them down if ya want.
I don't think the problem is the PK-13-14. I just need finer directions from Canna on how to use it. I'm waiting for a response from the Aus distributor for some details. I don't think I want to use individual elemental additives (though Canna do sell them) because I have no metering device that can pick out the EC caused by one nutrient and not the others. My TDS meter measures total dissolved salts (or solids) hence the acronym TDS!.

Ya know? For the size of this thread, its been rather civil. A few goof posts, very little drama, and pretty much stays on track. A nice departure from the norm.

Thanks for your guidance.
We aim to please. ;)

Here is the most recent pic of my buds. And a horrible drawing of what I want the room to function as......
Nice work on the plants.

Reverse the flow direction in your cooltube depiction. Cool air should hit the socket first. Move the intake fan down low.

Thanks for all your help.
no worries. :)

I want to go w 600W and build it to save money, but want noise level to be low. If I change out all my 4" to 6" and add a fan control, what do you recommend I do about the ballast? Or should I go digital?
If fans make too much noise, use a fan motor speed controller (NOT a dimmer!) from the hdwe store to slow them down a little. A fan running at 80% of usual speed may make 50% of the noise.

I'd use a std 'magnetic' ballast. There's no general advantage to electronic ballasts, they are much more costly and can't last as long as the old tech ballasts. A remote mountable ballast is important; you can put it outside the room's airmass so your vent system doesn't have to shift that heat out of the room.

Would it hurt them if I trimmed again at the end of week 2 and the end of week 3?
Thanks
I prune branching at the end of wk 1 & again at the end of wk 3. Same as. :)

Hello Al thanks I would like to know what if one would have smalls clones can I use 5" or 6" pots untill harvest? Also would it effect yeild verse having tall clones,
Clones from thick stems root faster and are more productive than cuts from thin stems. However, the main reason I make mine so tall is to provide some air motion space between the pot tops and the bud mass


Also if the roots start comming out the bottom of the pots how would one address that problem. Thanks for your insight once again AL
If simply being exposed to air doesn't prune them off for you, you may have to do it manually. Trim them soon after they escape the drain holes, don't let big taproots form through the drains. When the roots are small, the plant is not depending on them as a major pipeline and it won't notice if you trim them off. If you allow big taproots to form, the plant will be relying on them and may suffer transplant shock type symptoms.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
hey al you skipped me lol :)
I did, I didn't see your question in there. It's helpful to me if you only quote specific parts of my post that you are replying to. Wrap them with QUOTE tags to separate your comments from mine. I'm responding to quite a number of threads and if things are not separated, I do miss stuff from time to time.

ok do you do this every day? how old is the plant when you start using it?is it safe to use if flowering?
Every day, 8 mins per run, 2x day, once 1h afrer lights-off and again 1h before lights-on. The sulfur evap runs every day in my flowering room. Plants begin getting treated when they are introduced to the flowering room. Totally safe to use in flowering.
 

NLXSK1

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Al,

My ambient temperature in the house right now is 32.9C and surprisingly, I like it like that!

I bought a small 9000BTU A/C unit to convert my master bathroom of approximately 90 sq ft into a grow room. That way I can temperature control just that space and allow my living conditions to remain comfortably above 80 degrees F.
 

snipsnip

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al.
I think I remimber seeing that u use bloom juice, (nsr green leaves )is this correct.
I use this as well.
Finally went out and bought a ppm , ph , and somthing us meter all in one.
Went to make water ph was 6.8 or somthing ..used ph down after i added nutes and brought it down to 5.8 came down on its own from 6.8 to 6.1
Checked my water 385 ppm tap water.(this is what concerns me) and makes me think there is a conversion or somthing i am missing on this new meter.
Everyone i have talked to about there tap said was between 30 and 40 ppm.
Added nutes bloom juice for flowering 1 oz per gal water is recommended...have always used this amout ppm readding was almost 2000. i am using this meter Wrong or somthing.
To get 15oo ppm I would only be using 1/2 oz per gal and doesnt seem like enough?
Is there a math equation for this meter or somthing I am missing in my readding.
There is a calibration fluid that came with it is said somthing about changing to .5 or somthing i didnt understand it? Ifigured you would know what i mean?
its hanna instruments all in one combo.
i got h2o2 and perlite new plants seem to being doing really well thank for that earlier on!
the yellowing leafs because of to much water without h2o2 sent me on a quest and now i am like what the fuck....but i guess if thats what i was doing before if it aint broke dont fix hu?
thanks again al
sorry about my rambling
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daddychrisg

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Nothing doing until you get 3.4 million x 8 lumen LEDs over them, then they'll turn like totally dank, man. :lol:

How did you know? I just got back from Radio shack with all the necessary supplies for exactly that...Back to soldering, wish me luck! BTW I don't know how you find time to help everyone out dude, you are the man...Until someday....
 

CustomHydro

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ppm readding was almost 2000. i am using this meter Wrong or somthing.
PPM meters need to be calibrated, but I don't think u are using it wrong. My tap water is 500ppm. U say yours is 385, and with the nutes added you are at almost 2000.
Then you have to subtract the 385 that u started with which puts u at 1600PPM aprox.
 

gvega187

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al, the instructions on my sulfur vap sucked as u may remember. You don't have ur vap. on a timer do you? You have to fill it all the time neways it would seem. How far do you place the cup from the heating element on your model? My instructions say to place it directly on top, but it has 4 notches above for adjustment.

p.s instructions also recommended a 4-6 hour long session of vaporization lol.
 

DeweyKox

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I'd use a std 'magnetic' ballast. There's no general advantage to electronic ballasts, they are much more costly and can't last as long as the old tech ballasts. A remote mountable ballast is important; you can put it outside the room's airmass so your vent system doesn't have to shift that heat out of the room.

Would this ballast do?
High Tech Garden Supply

What do you recommend?
 

epoplive

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Hey Al, was wondering if you could give me some advice on my setup.

I'm using the Waterfarm 8Pack kit to grow, and want to do 12/12 immediately with my clones(I think, I just want the most yield per space and time), so should I be putting more than 1 plant per bucket than? Each bucket seems to be about 1ft x 1ft so it sounds like i should be doing 4 per bucket?

Should I maybe veg for a bit if the clones started pretty small?

When you say 1-1.5oz per plant, is that dried weight?

Also, what kind of yield per plant should i expect if the room gets a bit warm and I'm using a 600watt hps for the 8 buckets?

Sorry if this is stuff you already went over, been through a bunch of pages but its gonna take a while to get through all 130. Thanks for your time man!
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
You don't have ur vap. on a timer do you?
Yes, I do and have said so several times in this thread.

You have to fill it all the time neways it would seem.
Actually not. The thing uses very, very little sulfur. 50g will last a couple of months, a 500g packet will easily last a year.

How far do you place the cup from the heating element on your model? My instructions say to place it directly on top, but it has 4 notches above for adjustment.
The same question was asked by someone else back on page 120:

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Originally Posted by All4FreeDumb
Hey Al, I just picked up one of those sulfur "burners" and there is no directions on how much sulfur to add in the dish,

Yeah, mine didn't come with any instructions AT ALL. Kinda sucks...

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can you help me out?.
Probably. Which way did you come in?


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Also this burner has a way to move the dish closer and further than the heating element, numbered 1-4, how far do you keep the sulfur dish from the heat element?
Mine doesn't have that feature. The sulfur cup sits right on the heating element.

The correct place to put it is where the sulfur is heated only to its melting & evaporation temp yet does not burn. That will vary by the amount of sulfur powder you have in the cup (more will take longer to heat to evap point) as well as the distance from the heating element as can be adjusted in your 'burner' as well as the on-time you have programmed into your timer.

With your unit, I would put about 50g of sulfur in the cup, plug it in and measure the time it takes to melt the sulfur. You'll begin to see S vapour emitted at that point. Mind it for another 5 mins or so and assure that the S is not burning. If it burns, increase the distance from the heating element. Once you have worked out the amt of time to melt the S and are sure it's not going to get hot enough to scorch or burn the S, set your timer to that plus about 5 mins.

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Where do you hang yours, center of room, or does it matter?
If you have plenty of circ fans going in the room, it won't really matter where you put it.

If you notice accumulation of sulfur on your circ fans, reduce the programmed runtime. It really doesn't take much S to sort out powdery mildew and overdoing it will cause leaf tip burn.

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when the sulfur is being heated up for those 8 min 2 times at night do you have exhaust fans shut down?
I run my 'burner' during lights-off because the exhaust fans are not likely to be running then.
Sure, that'll do fine. $104 is a good price, but this is a kit; hope you're OK with a little point-to-point wiring.

should I be putting more than 1 plant per bucket than? Each bucket seems to be about 1ft x 1ft so it sounds like i should be doing 4 per bucket?
Depends on your lighting. If you want to run 4/sf in 8sq ft, a 400 HPS may struggle with the foliar density; you may want to use a 600.

Should I maybe veg for a bit if the clones started pretty small?
How small? Generally, vegging before flowering will cause plants to become too tall in a SoG op.

When you say 1-1.5oz per plant, is that dried weight?
Would be a bit silly of me to quote wet weight.
Also, what kind of yield per plant should i expect if the room gets a bit warm and I'm using a 600watt hps for the 8 buckets?
How warm?

A cooltube, ducting & a 150mm, 200CFM axial blower should be on your shopping list.
 

hydrogrower420

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yo al i got my heatmat but it doesnt feel very hot is that normal?it says that the temp is 30c on it.and should i use the tray i got for it?it doesnt seem like it would get the tray hot.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
30C is correct. You're not making roast clone (however tasty that may be. ;)) We're looking for 'warm' not 'hot'!

Yes, use the tray that came with it. That will protect the heat mat from damage and dirt.
 

epoplive

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Depends on your lighting. If you want to run 4/sf in 8sq ft, a 400 HPS may struggle with the foliar density; you may want to use a 600.



How small? Generally, vegging before flowering will cause plants to become too tall in a SoG op.



Would be a bit silly of me to quote wet weight.


How warm?

A cooltube, ducting & a 150mm, 200CFM axial blower should be on your shopping list.
I'm running a 600watt hps, had to tilt it to fit the reflector in the closet, but half the light is going directly to the plants and the other half is going directly into a mirror and back to the plants.

The clones I took are about 4 inches tall. I was reading where you said it takes 4 weeks or so for the plants to go from veg clone state to flowering, do I want to be feeding them veg or flowering nutes for those 4 weeks? If I veg I can get bigger yields per plant, but it will end up taking alot longer, right? I don't have a big enough system to get an actual SOG setup, so I'm trying to figure out what the best option for myself is with yield vs time.

The temperature fluxates a bit, it gets up to about 85 if I had to guess, and unfortunately dont have any more money for a bit to shell out. I do have a decent fan in there though

Sorry for the silly question about weight, this is my first grow(to flowering, I grew my mothers from clones) but I've already learned alot from you guys on here
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
The clones I took are about 4 inches tall. I was reading where you said it takes 4 weeks or so for the plants to go from veg clone state to flowering, do I want to be feeding them veg or flowering nutes for those 4 weeks?
The vegetative habit tapers off during wk1-4 while flowering habit ramps up. Run them on flowering nutes from day 1 in the flowering area.

The temperature fluxates a bit, it gets up to about 85 if I had to guess, and unfortunately dont have any more money for a bit to shell out.
NO GUESSING! Gotta have a peak memory thermometer so you know for sure what the extremes are when you're not looking in on the op.

If it's 85F in there, that's too hot! Max temp is 26C (78.8F). High temps will cause long internodal lengths (stretch) and fluffy buds.

I do have a decent fan in there though
Fans don't cool air- they only move it around. If you have a circ fan in a sealed room, the room will get warmer as a result of heat from the fan motor.

You must flow air through your room. That means an intake from outside the room and an exhaust which also puts air outside the room. These must be organised so exhausted air can not be readily redrawn into the room.
 

NLXSK1

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Hey Al,

I bought Canna Nutes both Substra Vega A & B. However, I got the variety for soft water and I do believe my water is actually hard. It is my understanding the difference is the calcium in the water...

Do you think this will significantly affect my grow?

Guaranteed analysis from the back says Total Nitrogen 4% Sodium Potash 2% Calcium 4% Iron .02% Chelated Iron .02% from the "A" bottle.
 
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