Al Qeadea on the news.. Must watch!

Gryphonn

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if u look at some pictures theres ppl that are standing couple floors above the plane an hour later after it crashed so dont tell me the fuel from the plane brought the building down, meridian plaza in phildelphia burnt for 19 hour yet never collapsed, while the south tower came straight down less then an hour and most the jet fuel was goin in the intial fireball. , and plz tell me y building 7, 2 blocks away from the scene came down

YouTube - 9/11 Zionist Job
Yep, and the Devil is in the smoke if look at some pictures too.
A lot of people made their way down from the upper floors (above the impact points)through the building before the fires prevented any further escape as well.
Most of the jet fuel didn't burn up in the initial fireball because aviation kerosene doesn't flash off in an instant. It burns. The initial impact weakened the internal structure of the building, especially around the lift wells in the centre of the building. The majority of the so called fireproof insulation on the internal steelwork was stripped in the initial fireball and the ensuing building fires further weakened the structure. Once the internal sections began to slowly weaken and collapse, it was inevitable that the weight of the upper floors would cause a major collapse. Instead of just reading the conspiracy theories, read the engineers reports and other literature as well. Otherwise you will just be a sheeple as well.
I have read the conspiracy theories, watched the documentaries, read more reports and theories and etc etc.
My opinion is that they collapsed due to structural weakness caused by internal damage and heat from two huge aircraft that flew into the buildings at full throttle with full fuel tanks. It is also my opinion that there were no explosives involved and that the only involvement that the US govt had in the whole thing was their inaction when warned of an impending attack in the months leading up to 9/11.
But that's my opinion and it differs from yours.

The Meridian Plaza was a completely different structural design to WTC 7. Having said that
In reference to building 7, two blocks away (which might as well be a stones throw in terms of the size of the towers). The building contained, among other things, a plethora of generators and fuel tanks and other power generating equipment,making it a 'heavy' building. Further, it was built on an area that was designed for a building with a much smaller footprint. The load bearing design of the building was such that the load bearing was directed toward the centre of the building, over the original footprint position (look at the new building for an idea). My uneducated theory is that a combination of internal fires, structural weakness caused by impact from the North tower, and the unique load-bearing design of its foundations caused the final collapse. You have to remember that WTC 7 didn't collapse in one motion. It collapsed internally in sections over a number of hours. There was only one attempt to extinguish the internal fires that occured on multiple floors because the building was too dangerous to approach. The reason firefighters stayed away from the building is because it was 'bulging' not long after parts of the North tower hit it and caused major structural damage.
A report is due this year about the cause of collapse and I guess we'll know then. But in any event, it wasn't demolished with explosives, else the many people in the area at the time would have heard the explosions don't you think?
 

Gryphonn

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Hahaha, you know I brought up some good points though. I was just playing devils advocate for that because I could honestly care less what took place back then. But, do I think that we landed on the moon.??... I honestly can't give you an answer that is ascertain. If anyone is interested check out https://www.rollitup.org/toke-n-talk/73540-did-we-actually-land-moon.html, I personally think its fun. You liked it too Gryphonn.:mrgreen:
:peace:
You did and yes, I did have fun. That's why I smiled when I said that :).
 

arabmobster

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do u guys believe a nuclear war would be the end of earth

i for sure dont governments have tested thousands and thousands of nukes and earth still working just fine
 

Gryphonn

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heres the best non biased news station shows both sides of arguments , and know based in washington and london england

shows all the stuff other americans news stations wouldnt show

Al Jazeera English - Front Page
You might like this one too if you haven't seen it before:
INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE. NEWS, COMMENTARY & INSIGHT
I've been subscribing to this one for a number of years now.

Guys, keep in mind that Saddam Hussein had three parts of fuck all to do with 9/11. It was al qaeda, not Saddam who committed the acts of 9/11. George Bush and his cronies had a good try at making people believe Saddam was responsible and at one point some 30% of the US population believed it *was* Hussein who ordered the attacks. When that lie fell apart, they pulled the WMD and democracy tricks out of their bags. Those lies have also fallen apart. Yes, I believe that the Iraq invasion was purely based on commercial gain, not WMDs, or freedom for Iraqi people.
 

We TaRdED

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But that's my opinion and it differs from yours.

The Meridian Plaza was a completely different structural design to WTC 7. Having said that
In reference to building 7, two blocks away (which might as well be a stones throw in terms of the size of the towers). The building contained, among other things, a plethora of generators and fuel tanks and other power generating equipment,making it a 'heavy' building. Further, it was built on an area that was designed for a building with a much smaller footprint. The load bearing design of the building was such that the load bearing was directed toward the centre of the building, over the original footprint position (look at the new building for an idea). My uneducated theory is that a combination of internal fires, structural weakness caused by impact from the North tower, and the unique load-bearing design of its foundations caused the final collapse. You have to remember that WTC 7 didn't collapse in one motion. It collapsed internally in sections over a number of hours. There was only one attempt to extinguish the internal fires that occured on multiple floors because the building was too dangerous to approach. The reason firefighters stayed away from the building is because it was 'bulging' not long after parts of the North tower hit it and caused major structural damage.
A report is due this year about the cause of collapse and I guess we'll know then. But in any event, it wasn't demolished with explosives, else the many people in the area at the time would have heard the explosions don't you think?
"Yep, and the Devil is in the smoke if look at some pictures too."

Some people say that the WTCs were not hit by planes at all, but rather missiles and the planes that 'we saw' on tv were animation. I don't by that one bit, thats the stupidest thing I ever heard and those people are on crack.

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It is also my opinion that there were no explosives involved and that the only involvement that the US govt had in the whole thing was their inaction when warned of an impending attack in the months leading up to 9/11."

YouTube - 911 WTC Basement Explosions video and photographic proof
YouTube - 9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!

The reason why I think WTC 7 fell down is because flight 93 did not make it to its intended destination(wtc 7) and I believe there were bombs planted in WTC 7 that they didn't want them to find so L. Silverstein "pulled it". So they demolished the building so the bombs would not be found! No plane hit WTC 7 and if you believe that it would fall down THE WAY IT DID, because of a fire, than I honestly feel bad for you. If you can honestly look at the way the building went down and blame that on a fire than you need to take your short bus to school.
 

Gryphonn

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Gryphoon, whats your opinion on Global warming? After you answer the question, take a look at these links:mrgreen:


https://www.rollitup.org/politics/57385-lmfao-weather-channel-founder-sue.html

The Great Global Warming Swindle - Channel: UKUFO on LiveVideo.com

:peace:
I'm a tree hugging, pot smoking hippy We, that should give you an idea of my views about global warming :)
Unfortunately the connection I'm on is running at dial-up speed at present so watching any of the video links is pretty much an exercise in futility for me until I get onto another high bandwidth link (in a week or so). But then I'll be on solar power with only about an hour or two of generator power to run this power hungry box, so it might even be hard then. However, I do have a Firefox plugin that allows me to d-load videos so I'll probably rip down a bunch of your links at some stage, burn them to DVD and watch them on a TV.:blsmoke:
 

growingmom

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I'm sure you know how many people hate Bush and would like to see him dead right? I'm talking about Americans too. So my question is how come someone hasn't taken him out with 70+% of the American population not giving him approval. Seven out of ten Americans Don't like Bush and his cronies.


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I vote that noone has because we are all waiting to see karma get his ass back, and well....If someone did they'd be giving thier life for his..is it worth it ????
 

arabmobster

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gryphon ive cn that news page before but they are still a bit biased but way less then most news stations, as soon as i opened it right of that bat all i read is
Netanyahu: 'No One Helps US More Than Israel'

i dont think so isreal is the cause of most problems in middleast if they just stop opressing the palestinians and give them some democtratic rights like them then there would be no fighting, and if they just resolve there problem and stop just pointing fingers in the region then getting americans to go fight there wars for them, most the arab hate toward isreal and america would be goin,
there the cause of all the tention there ,
if the world solves that problem everything else would fall into place
 

Gryphonn

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YouTube - 911 WTC Basement Explosions video and photographic proof
YouTube - 9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!

The reason why I think WTC 7 fell down is because flight 93 did not make it to its intended destination(wtc 7) and I believe there were bombs planted in WTC 7 that they didn't want them to find so L. Silverstein "pulled it". So they demolished the building so the bombs would not be found! No plane hit WTC 7 and if you believe that it would fall down THE WAY IT DID, because of a fire, than I honestly feel bad for you. If you can honestly look at the way the building went down and blame that on a fire than you need to take your short bus to school.
Now you need to go and do some reading of preliminary reports as to how the building collapsed, instead of watching YouTube videos We. Read about how the building was constructed, what it contained, what some engineers think may have happened and how the building actually collapsed (not just the final collapse, but the intermediate internal collapses as well). Read about how the building was an engineering disaster waiting to happen. Remember, two sides to every story.
If you think that Silverstein and Al Qaeda and the Bush Govt were conspiring together, I think you need to jump on that bus too bloke. Did you know that the world is actually flat and that all this space photography and science from ages past is just bluescreen trickery? :roll:
 

DWR

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rofl @ turban guy :12 oktober 2009 around 3:04... pm / am ?

... washington manumentary.... ?? you'll see what happens...
 

Gryphonn

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gryphon ive cn that news page before but they are still a bit biased but way less then most news stations, as soon as i opened it right of that bat all i read is
Netanyahu: 'No One Helps US More Than Israel'

i dont think so isreal is the cause of most problems in middleast if they just stop opressing the palestinians and give them some democtratic rights like them then there would be no fighting, and if they just resolve there problem and stop just pointing fingers in the region then getting americans to go fight there wars for them, most the arab hate toward isreal and america would be goin,
there the cause of all the tention there ,
if the world solves that problem everything else would fall into place
That site is run by an individual, not an organisation. It has a very good balance of news, albeit rather anti Bush govt. Its main purpose has ben to bring the news that you won't see on mainstream Fox type TV, much like Al Jazeera, but without the obvious bias.
 

arabmobster

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thats where your wrong gryphon hes not reporting the news hes telling u that no one 'No One Helps US More Than Israel'

news companies are supposed to report the news and let u decided for urself whats right and whats wrong

hes telling u what to think by stating no one helps us more then isreal ,which means its biased and aljazeera is publicaly owned unlike cnn , fox nbc ,abc each one of those is owned by an isreal no wonder everything is twisted

and isreal by far does more damaage to america then help them first they use 20 billion a year of the tax money and second of all there the cause of all the problems in the mideast if they just create a palestinian state or share the country instead of making into hypocricy of a jew state
 
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Gryphonn

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Now go back and read the pages. The site collects news from all over. Don't read one line and take that as the end of it. That's how conspiracy theories start.

The article you refer to was written:
By Jerusalem Post Staff

Samples of stories on ICH:
Bush Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' Before Becoming President

America's War for Global Domination

U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

Does Iran's President Want Israel Wiped Of The Map - Does He Deny Te Holocaust?

The president's real goal in Iraq

US Holding 27,000 in Secret Overseas Prisons

US: 500 youths detained in Iraq; 10 in Afghanistan

 With Friends Like These... : Information Clearing House - ICH
(excerpt):
In his speech to the Jerusalem conference, Shimon Peres lauded Israeli chutzpa. What we need is more chutzpa, he said. That sounded fetching and naughty, but was pure poppycock.

I want to speak about another chutzpa. Not metaphorical, but real. Simple chutzpa. The chutzpa of billionaires in New York and Geneva and all the other places who interfere in our elections and determine the fate of our nation. The chutzpa of donating for a war in which not their sons, but ours, are killed. The chutzpa of sending billions for the establishment of settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories, and especially in Jerusalem, which are put there for the express purpose of preventing peace and imposing on us a permanent war, a war that threatens our future - not theirs.

Let’s be clear: I am not criticizing well-meaning donors, who feel a moral need to contribute to a hospital wing or a university building in Israel. I appreciate people who send a few hundred dollars to a political cause close to their heart. I object to foreign billionaires who aspire to dictate the direction of our state.

Perhaps in other countries, too, politicians receive donations from foreign sources. But it is generally a marginal phenomenon. Here it is a major factor.

That is one of the ill effects of the definition of Israel as a “Jewish State”. Because of this, these donors do not look like what they are - impertinent foreigners who interfere in our lives and corrupt our state - but like “warmhearted Jews” who support a state that belongs to them as well.

Gideon Levy has recently written an article in which he begged them to “leave us alone”. Being a less refined person than he, I shall say this in a ruder way: Go home and take your money with you. We are not for sale. Stop trying to manage our life (and death)!
Uri Avnery is a peace activist, journalist, and writer. Visit his website.






Should I continue?
 

Gryphonn

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Now go back and read the pages. The site collects news from all over. Don't read one line and take that as the end of it. That's how conspiracy theories start.

The article you refer to was written:
By Jerusalem Post Staff

Samples of stories on ICH:
Bush Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' Before Becoming President

America's War for Global Domination

U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

Does Iran's President Want Israel Wiped Of The Map - Does He Deny Te Holocaust?

The president's real goal in Iraq

US Holding 27,000 in Secret Overseas Prisons

US: 500 youths detained in Iraq; 10 in Afghanistan

*With Friends Like These... : Information Clearing House - ICH
(excerpt):
In his speech to the Jerusalem conference, Shimon Peres lauded Israeli chutzpa. What we need is more chutzpa, he said. That sounded fetching and naughty, but was pure poppycock.

I want to speak about another chutzpa. Not metaphorical, but real. Simple chutzpa. The chutzpa of billionaires in New York and Geneva and all the other places who interfere in our elections and determine the fate of our nation. The chutzpa of donating for a war in which not their sons, but ours, are killed. The chutzpa of sending billions for the establishment of settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories, and especially in Jerusalem, which are put there for the express purpose of preventing peace and imposing on us a permanent war, a war that threatens our future - not theirs.

Let’s be clear: I am not criticizing well-meaning donors, who feel a moral need to contribute to a hospital wing or a university building in Israel. I appreciate people who send a few hundred dollars to a political cause close to their heart. I object to foreign billionaires who aspire to dictate the direction of our state.

Perhaps in other countries, too, politicians receive donations from foreign sources. But it is generally a marginal phenomenon. Here it is a major factor.

That is one of the ill effects of the definition of Israel as a “Jewish State”. Because of this, these donors do not look like what they are - impertinent foreigners who interfere in our lives and corrupt our state - but like “warmhearted Jews” who support a state that belongs to them as well.

Gideon Levy has recently written an article in which he begged them to “leave us alone”. Being a less refined person than he, I shall say this in a ruder way: Go home and take your money with you. We are not for sale. Stop trying to manage our life (and death)!
Uri Avnery is a peace activist, journalist, and writer. Visit his website.






Should I continue?
 

Biggravy22

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Now go back and read the pages. The site collects news from all over. Don't read one line and take that as the end of it. That's how conspiracy theories start.

The article you refer to was written:
By Jerusalem Post Staff

Samples of stories on ICH:
Bush Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' Before Becoming President

America's War for Global Domination

U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

Does Iran's President Want Israel Wiped Of The Map - Does He Deny Te Holocaust?

The president's real goal in Iraq

US Holding 27,000 in Secret Overseas Prisons

US: 500 youths detained in Iraq; 10 in Afghanistan

*With Friends Like These... : Information Clearing House - ICH
(excerpt):
In his speech to the Jerusalem conference, Shimon Peres lauded Israeli chutzpa. What we need is more chutzpa, he said. That sounded fetching and naughty, but was pure poppycock.

I want to speak about another chutzpa. Not metaphorical, but real. Simple chutzpa. The chutzpa of billionaires in New York and Geneva and all the other places who interfere in our elections and determine the fate of our nation. The chutzpa of donating for a war in which not their sons, but ours, are killed. The chutzpa of sending billions for the establishment of settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories, and especially in Jerusalem, which are put there for the express purpose of preventing peace and imposing on us a permanent war, a war that threatens our future - not theirs.

Let’s be clear: I am not criticizing well-meaning donors, who feel a moral need to contribute to a hospital wing or a university building in Israel. I appreciate people who send a few hundred dollars to a political cause close to their heart. I object to foreign billionaires who aspire to dictate the direction of our state.

Perhaps in other countries, too, politicians receive donations from foreign sources. But it is generally a marginal phenomenon. Here it is a major factor.

That is one of the ill effects of the definition of Israel as a “Jewish State”. Because of this, these donors do not look like what they are - impertinent foreigners who interfere in our lives and corrupt our state - but like “warmhearted Jews” who support a state that belongs to them as well.

Gideon Levy has recently written an article in which he begged them to “leave us alone”. Being a less refined person than he, I shall say this in a ruder way: Go home and take your money with you. We are not for sale. Stop trying to manage our life (and death)!
Uri Avnery is a peace activist, journalist, and writer. Visit his website.






Should I continue?
9/11 was the pretext for setting up Permanent military bases in the middle east. Insuring America has the facilities, and manpower to protect american assets, and it's allies (Ie. Israel, and saudi arabia).
 
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