Alabama Republican wants to stop people on food stamps from owning cars

rollyouron

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Fox News educates an entire nation for free...they have a pretty good graduation rate.

A high school student in the US is 2 years behind most other countries upon graduation.

Businessmen, Parents, Children and the Nation are being dragged down by ignorance.

Education is expensive...:wall:
Who's to blame for our kids being 2 years behind?
 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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I'm right around 2000 feet myself. The valley below filled with fog that day in the pic. But the mountains directly behind my house go upt to 5000 feet. Im in the foothills.Wifey is from bk. Canarsie high grad. Her sisters went to Brooklyn tech. I grew up on the other side of the Hudson in jersey. Grew up on blunts but don't miss them anymore. Or any tobacco. I'm a dab only kind of guy at any elevation myself. Lols
I was about to go to Brooklyn Tech but I wound up going to FEGS instead to learn my trade back in the late 70's, FEGS was a trade school ... Nothing like Aviation HS I was always fixing things up, those days are gone where trade schools were king you learned how to fix cars (Automotive HS) fix planes (Aviation, fly them too) didn't Barbara Striesand go to Canarsie? And the girls went to Central Commercial for Nursing.

I've read about dab but never tried it.

B4L
 

testiclees

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I was about to go to Brooklyn Tech but I wound up going to FEGS instead to learn my trade back in the late 70's, FEGS was a trade school ... Nothing like Aviation HS I was always fixing things up, those days are gone where trade schools were king you learned how to fix cars (Automotive HS) fix planes (Aviation, fly them too) didn't Barbara Striesand go to Canarsie? And the girls went to Central Commercial for Nursing.

I've read about dab but never tried it.

B4L
All my buds who went to tech schools are still doing great. I think they have gotten a lot of satisfaction out of their trade careers. Ironically many of those tradespeople enjoyed more lucrative career paths than our liberal arts educated peers. Those vocational types of opportunities and the way of life they provide are very rare now. I'm not a luddite I just think that, back in the day, for anyone who showed initiative there was a respectable and financially viable career path available. Today's opportunities are far less diverse.
 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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All my buds who went to tech schools are still doing great. I think they have gotten a lot of satisfaction out of their trade careers. Ironically many of those tradespeople enjoyed more lucrative career paths than our liberal arts educated peers. Those vocational types of opportunities and the way of life they provide are very rare now. I'm not a luddite I just think that, back in the day, for anyone who showed initiative there was a respectable and financially viable career path available. Today's opportunities are far less diverse.
Yes I agree, there are no trade schools around its a shame. Very few people I know went to college it was all trade school and made great money, I sure did.

B4L
 

FauxRoux

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The "why" isn't a fixed reason, but much of what you stated about declining prosperity is correct. A lot of it can be assigned to government monetary policy and regulation as causal factors. If you care to discuss that, I can cover it pretty well. So you have identified a problem, can you discuss the cure and the actual cause? I can.

Also, I don't view "poor people" as good or bad, some are victims, some are not. So if I was denouncing anything or anyone, it was the idea that forcible redistribution isn't the answer and never will be.

Also the term "social services" is suspect, if those so called services arise from a threat, (they do...that is a fact) they shouldn't be called a "service". You appear to dismiss the means as part of the total process, you might want to think about that.

As far as jerking off, yup I had my carpenters tool belt on and was fondling the Makita circular saw while breathing heavily with my 28 oz. hammer in my hand.
Despite us probably not having the same political views I would like to take a second to tell you how much I appreciate a coherent answer and the opportunity to discuss it like adults...I don't see that too often on RIU....

And in that spirit I went and spent a few minutes with my Milwaukee's in the garage....I'll just say that my copper hammers have never been so shiny.

I am interested in your opinion....personally I'm a fan of holding big corporations accountable for overseas tax dodges....the feasibility and actual impact of that?...eeehhh....:wall:

If we're talking ideals not reality I believe (in my dreams) that a cap on income would solve most issues. You could even make it obscene....something like, "no one may earn more than 25 million dollars a year after taxes"....it wouldn't impact even the wealthiest peoples lifestyle (in any real way). Remove (Or at least stifle) greed and burning the world to the ground for its sake alone might slow down a bit......

A pipe dream I know....a shiny, shiny, well stroked..."ahem"...uuum i mean polished pipe dream:rolleyes:

When I say social services I mostly mean welfare...food stamps...health care. etc, etc.........could you elaborate on what you mean specifically when you say "threat" please? Just so I have context.

It is not difficult to get a college education. What I am saying is that it does not guarantee success as the unemployment rate for college graduates demonstrates.
So your point was nothing is a guarantee?.....k...

So you're saying you don't think the unemployment rate is any worse for non-graduates? ...eehhh

Its not really about if YOU personally found school to be a challenge....if it was that easy for you that's great! I don't care if you had it paid for by your parents or you worked 6 jobs to get through it, if it was easy that's fantastic. But literally NO ONE else is you. So maybe we could allow others the room to live by the variables of their lives and not yours.

I dont know your life's hardships and wouldn't expect you to know mine. But we all have them and they are as different as we are. Regardless of whether its hard academically, financially or other, school IS a monumental hurdle for some people.

But more importantly I don't care what side of politics you fall on I believe we ALL can agree that without first rate education our country (and world) will wither and die. Allowing our education institutes to prioritize income before education is madness. The less available a first rate education is to all Americans the greater the chances we will deny ourselves prosperous future generations...

The price and availability of a higher education is unacceptable. The lack of emphasis on education is unacceptable.

I did like what I saw Germany doing with their universities of recent..
 
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Rob Roy

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Despite us probably not having the same political views I would like to take a second to tell you how much I appreciate a coherent answer and the opportunity to discuss it like adults...I don't see that too often on RIU....

And in that spirit I went and spent a few minutes with my Milwaukee's in the garage....I'll just say that my copper hammers have never been so shiny.

I am interested in your opinion....personally I'm a fan of holding big corporations accountable for overseas tax dodges....the feasibility and actual impact of that?...eeehhh....:wall:

If we're talking ideals not reality I believe (in my dreams) that a cap on income would solve most issues. You could even make it obscene....something like, "no one may earn more than 25 million dollars a year after taxes"....it wouldn't impact even the wealthiest peoples lifestyle (in any real way). Remove (Or at least stifle) greed and burning the world to the ground for its sake alone might slow down a bit......

A pipe dream I know....a shiny, shiny, well stroked..."ahem"...uuum i mean polished pipe dream:rolleyes:

When I say social services I mostly mean welfare...food stamps...health care. etc, etc.........could you elaborate on what you mean specifically when you say "threat" please? Just so I have context.


So your point was nothing is a guarantee?.....k...

So you're saying you don't think the unemployment rate is any worse for non-graduates? ...eehhh

Its not really about if YOU personally found school to be a challenge....if it was that easy for you that's great! I don't care if you had it paid for by your parents or you worked 6 jobs to get through it, if it was easy that's fantastic. But literally NO ONE else is you. So maybe we could allow others the room to live by the variables of their lives and not yours.

I dont know your life's hardships and wouldn't expect you to know mine. But we all have them and they are as different as we are. Regardless of whether its hard academically, financially or other, school IS a monumental hurdle for some people.

But more importantly I don't care what side of politics you fall on I believe we ALL can agree that without first rate education our country (and world) will wither and die. Allowing our education institutes to prioritize income before education is madness. The less available a first rate education is to all Americans the greater the chances we will deny ourselves prosperous future generations...

The price and availability of a higher education is unacceptable. The lack of emphasis on education is unacceptable.

I did like what I saw Germany doing with their universities of recent..

In my opinion, there shouldn't BE corporations from an organizational point of view. One of the purposes of a corporation is to shield real live individual people from accountability. Another is to use regulations and threats of force (government) to enable protectionism and cronyism. Obviously there are better ways for humans to interact, so I seek those ways and try to use those peaceful means in my interactions with others. Any goods and services that present corporations provide which people do want could still be provided, absent the government partnering / shield that corporations benefit from.


Since I don't favor forcible human interactions, I can't endorse one person or party threatening force to another party. Therefore I don't ascribe to Utilitarian policies that only focus on an end result without any regard on the means used. The means used should not be ignored when determining policy or practice.

Therefore, I don't think the term "fair tax" can ever be defined meaningfully, since the means used (threats of force) is routinely ignored and shouldn't be. It becomes an exercise in oxymoronism to view things from only a Utilitarian point of view.

I don't think I have any right to put a cap on your income, nor do you have a right to put a cap on mine, anymore than I should tell you how much of anything you can ingest or to tell you there are things you can't ingest.
 

NLXSK1

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In my opinion, there shouldn't BE corporations from an organizational point of view. One of the purposes of a corporation is to shield real live individual people from accountability. Another is to use regulations and threats of force (government) to enable protectionism and cronyism. Obviously there are better ways for humans to interact, so I seek those ways and try to use those peaceful means in my interactions with others. Any goods and services that present corporations provide which people do want could still be provided, absent the government partnering / shield that corporations benefit from.


Since I don't favor forcible human interactions, I can't endorse one person or party threatening force to another party. Therefore I don't ascribe to Utilitarian policies that only focus on an end result without any regard on the means used. The means used should not be ignored when determining policy or practice.

Therefore, I don't think the term "fair tax" can ever be defined meaningfully, since the means used (threats of force) is routinely ignored and shouldn't be. It becomes an exercise in oxymoronism to view things from only a Utilitarian point of view.

I don't think I have any right to put a cap on your income, nor do you have a right to put a cap on mine, anymore than I should tell you how much of anything you can ingest or to tell you there are things you can't ingest.
Who would ever go into business if by doing so you risk all your personal assets to confiscation??

You can be working as a register clerk at McDonalds and if the cook makes some people sick you can lose your house!!! Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT idea...
 

bearkat42

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All my buds who went to tech schools are still doing great. I think they have gotten a lot of satisfaction out of their trade careers. Ironically many of those tradespeople enjoyed more lucrative career paths than our liberal arts educated peers. Those vocational types of opportunities and the way of life they provide are very rare now. I'm not a luddite I just think that, back in the day, for anyone who showed initiative there was a respectable and financially viable career path available. Today's opportunities are far less diverse.
Yes I agree, there are no trade schools around its a shame. Very few people I know went to college it was all trade school and made great money, I sure did.

B4L
I taught Digital Electronics at a tech school for two years back in the mid-90's. A lot of cats made pretty good money right out of the gate, and some ended up making six figures if they were willing to work the overtime.
 

Blunted 4 lyfe

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I taught Digital Electronics at a tech school for two years back in the mid-90's. A lot of cats made pretty good money right out of the gate, and some ended up making six figures if they were willing to work the overtime.
I'm telling you trade schools are making more sense than College, unless it's for a specialized field (medicine, law etc...).

Why get stuck with a $50,000-$100,000 debt for (in most cases) a worthless piece of paper when you can go to a trade school for way less money ($5,000-20,000) and land a good job almost immediately.

Service jobs have always been the backbone of Amercas job industries (plumbers, electricians, carpenters, nursing, medical techs). My Daughter is in her first year of her job as a Sonagrapher making over $35@hour to start.

B4L
 

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Grandpapy

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Who would ever go into business if by doing so you risk all your personal assets to confiscation??

You can be working as a register clerk at McDonalds and if the cook makes some people sick you can lose your house!!! Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT idea...
No, not you but Mr or Mrs. McDonald, as it should be.
Ask your Insurance Agent.
 

bluntmassa1

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Ever live in a rural area? Can't get anywhere, no less a job without a car. From my understanding unemployment last 6 months.
I do. 15 miles to a grocery store and anyone with a car on welfare don't have a reliable car and damn sure not enough money to pay for gas for 2 weeks just to collect a damn paycheck it's a 45 minute drive to a place with a good amount of jobs.

But their is a few who collect a check, foodstamps and work under the table but not all of them own cars.
 

Rob Roy

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Who would ever go into business if by doing so you risk all your personal assets to confiscation??

You can be working as a register clerk at McDonalds and if the cook makes some people sick you can lose your house!!! Yeah, that sounds like a GREAT idea...
If a person is working as a register clerk at McDonald's and Uncle Buck comes in and lays down a barrage of human scat on the bathroom floor and several people become ill...

Would you hold the person that gave you change responsible or would you hold the fecal bomber responsible?


One of the benefits of holding people personally responsible for their actions is it facilitates more honest transactions, which is a GREAT IDEA.
 

FauxRoux

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If a person is working as a register clerk at McDonald's and Uncle Buck comes in and lays down a barrage of human scat on the bathroom floor and several people become ill...

Would you hold the person that gave you change responsible or would you hold the fecal bomber responsible?


One of the benefits of holding people personally responsible for their actions is it facilitates more honest transactions, which is a GREAT IDEA.
I agree completely, that would be ideal.... I also understand the legal loopholes a system like that would create...we kinda had one before we added layer upon layer of bureaucracy to try and close up those loop holes (which of course leads to other issues)...which is why accountability falls on the person whom made the choice to take on those responsibilities when they made the choice to own that type of business.

So in a way making the choice to own the restaurant IS someone taking responsibility....its a choice.

As much as anarchy (as a system) would be a wonderful utopia in theory....there has never been an active example of 1 coming anywhere close to functioning as it depends on an unrealistic view of human nature (IMO).....at least not on any scale that could be called a society (and no I don't consider anything the size of a commune or a roller derby team a society...even if it technically is).

But I appreciate the view...I think those ideals are important to keep us on point as a people and remembering what's honest and real behind the weird crap we invent in our attempt to coexist.
 

Rob Roy

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I agree completely, that would be ideal.... I also understand the legal loopholes a system like that would create...we kinda had one before we added layer upon layer of bureaucracy to try and close up those loop holes (which of course leads to other issues)...which is why accountability falls on the person whom made the choice to take on those responsibilities when they made the choice to own that type of business.

So in a way making the choice to own the restaurant IS someone taking responsibility....its a choice.

As much as anarchy (as a system) would be a wonderful utopia in theory....there has never been an active example of 1 coming anywhere close to functioning as it depends on an unrealistic view of human nature (IMO).....at least not on any scale that could be called a society (and no I don't consider anything the size of a commune or a roller derby team a society...even if it technically is).

But I appreciate the view...I think those ideals are important to keep us on point as a people and remembering what's honest and real behind the weird crap we invent in our attempt to coexist.

I wonder if you would be kind enough to tell me what you think Anarchy is and isn't?

Having a consistent definition for terms might aid in any discussion.
 

FauxRoux

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I wonder if you would be kind enough to tell me what you think Anarchy is and isn't?

Having a consistent definition for terms might aid in any discussion.
Absolutely. I view anarchy as the absence of a governing body in favor of every man living by his own integrity (or lack thereof). I know the traditional definition mostly conveys that as being a chaotic "free for all". But I more often hear the term used to describe some sort of ideal utopian self governing community, capable of self sustaining without all the bureaucratic hypocrisy or red tape of a true government.
 
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