Alcohol Tincture

purplehazin · Dec 21, 2010

tinyTURTLE said:
dont use weed. ice extract the hash and use that.

I tried both ways and didnt notice a difference in potency. Have you?

Poplars I get what you're saying now

It makes sense to me if you do it the non cooking way (letting the everclear soak the bud for 1+ month) but if you're making green dragon it takes all of 1 hour from start to finish, so I like to have smaller, fresher batches.

poplars · Dec 21, 2010

purplehazin said:
I tried both ways and didnt notice a difference in potency. Have you?

Poplars I get what you're saying now It makes sense to me if you do it the non cooking way (letting the everclear soak the bud for 1+ month) but if you're making green dragon it takes all of 1 hour from start to finish, so I like to have smaller, fresher batches.

for sure bro I wanna do it the lazy mans way.

easy long and effective

if you've done it both ways im gonna just use shake/bud ... posisbly water cure it a bit before I use it.

poplars · Dec 28, 2010

so I started my tincture yesterday, warm method... using 2.5 oz of small buds from 4 strains, mashed up in between my hands (not powdery ground but probably what you could consider perfect consistency for tincture..) and 4 scizzor hash balls probably equivalant to 2 grams

.

I used 151 proof everclear (in california the 190 proof stuff is illegal, and I don't feel like driving up to oregon just to get everclear, maybe one day...) I figure that percentage should be high enough to get me sky high.

I put it in a mason jar in a paper bag in a warm place... gonna shake it daily and let it sit for atleast 4 weeks, maybe longer...

anyone have some serious experience with the warm method that can vouche for potency differences in the weeks?

tinyTURTLE · Dec 28, 2010

i used some e&J brandy to rinse the keif out of my weed jars for a few months.
let it sit for a few weeks.
filter the keif out.
pour over ice.
wow, what an experience.
i would never use weed, i don't want the green color.

poplars · Dec 28, 2010

tinyTURTLE said:
i used some e&J brandy to rinse the keif out of my weed jars for a few months.
let it sit for a few weeks.
filter the keif out.
pour over ice.
wow, what an experience.
i would never use weed, i don't want the green color.

like I said I believe hash and kief is for smoking, my lower quality scizzor hash I'll add as an extra, but small buds and shake are the best for that imo if you're a grower and use your product in many different ways... I just love smoking hash too much ya know....

but yeah I don't really mind the green, part of the process. our bodies can eat greens just fine, if you really hate the flavor then I can understand, but that can be mixed and shit without any real trouble...

Canon · Jan 1, 2011

poplars said:
like I said I believe hash and kief is for smoking, my lower quality scizzor hash I'll add as an extra, but small buds and shake are the best for that imo if you're a grower and use your product in many different ways... I just love smoking hash too much ya know....

but yeah I don't really mind the green, part of the process. our bodies can eat greens just fine, if you really hate the flavor then I can understand, but that can be mixed and shit without any real trouble...

I can appreciate where you're coming from!
I grow mostly for hash,,,
,, and I grow more for more hash! LOL (yup, like the hash for sure).

Try to wait until I get a couple gal. ziplocks of fresh bud and sugars for the hash while only saving a bud or two for smoke generally.
I'l take and bubble that for one run. (my hash)
Then all the sorta used buds get dried slowly in the oven at 150F and stirred until slightly damp.
Then kick the temps up to 225 until I notice "that smell", then out to cool and finish air drying for a day or two.
Then crumble up with the hands to a coarse powder and continue with oil from there (or tinc in this case).
Having looked it over I see a lot of trichs left for the oil when looking through the scope. however, it's really not enough to make a good second bubble with IMO (I'll just grow more - LOL).

Thing is, I've been getting the green monster in the mix and I'm really asshamed to share the discusting green mix with others. ass kicking, but taste terrible to me anyways.

That's why I'm back here searching. Somewhere I saw some postings on removing the green from the oil. Something about being suspanded in water to get drained off for removal.
When I find it(?) again I'll post back with info for you. just don't remember what site or where I read it. Plus I was probably burnt and may have read wrong. Seach is continued. :mrgreen:

But, no, I wouldn't compromise any hash for the sake of oil / tinc either. If anything I'll use some oil to lace some hash ect.
Hashish is the way. bongsmilie

nl3004.kind · Jan 1, 2011

Canon said:
I can appreciate where you're coming from!
I grow mostly for hash,,,
,, and I grow more for more hash! LOL (yup, like the hash for sure).

Try to wait until I get a couple gal. ziplocks of fresh bud and sugars for the hash while only saving a bud or two for smoke generally.
I'l take and bubble that for one run. (my hash)
Then all the sorta used buds get dried slowly in the oven at 150F and stirred until slightly damp.
Then kick the temps up to 225 until I notice "that smell", then out to cool and finish air drying for a day or two.
Then crumble up with the hands to a coarse powder and continue with oil from there (or tinc in this case).
Having looked it over I see a lot of trichs left for the oil when looking through the scope. however, it's really not enough to make a good second bubble with IMO (I'll just grow more - LOL).

Thing is, I've been getting the green monster in the mix and I'm really asshamed to share the discusting green mix with others. ass kicking, but taste terrible to me anyways.

That's why I'm back here searching. Somewhere I saw some postings on removing the green from the oil. Something about being suspanded in water to get drained off for removal.
When I find it(?) again I'll post back with info for you. just don't remember what site or where I read it. Plus I was probably burnt and may have read wrong. Seach is continued.

But, no, I wouldn't compromise any hash for the sake of oil / tinc either. If anything I'll use some oil to lace some hash ect.
Hashish is the way.

if you are hating the "green" taste/flavor, you could water cure the buds and leaves or even just blanch (boil in water for a couple of minutes) and *then* make your tink or oil out of it... easy peasy... try adn you'll see!

steven7685 · Jan 1, 2011

for green dragon, can you use the heating element of your household coffee maker to heat up the tincture instead of boiling it in a pot of water??

and in the case of not heating the buds prior to extracting with alcohol, could you then also use the heating element of your coffee maker to evap some of the alcohol and possibly activate ( THCA to THC) ?? or is there an obvious reason that i am missing which explains why you must do this activating beforehand?

great thread. thanks for the information

nl3004.kind · Jan 1, 2011

steven7685 said:
for green dragon, can you use the heating element of your household coffee maker to heat up the tincture instead of boiling it in a pot of water??

and in the case of not heating the buds prior to extracting with alcohol, could you then also use the heating element of your coffee maker to evap some of the alcohol and possibly activate ( THCA to THC) ?? or is there an obvious reason that i am missing which explains why you must do this activating beforehand?
great thread. thanks for the information

it *could* be done, but there are a variety of reasons to not do it with the coffee maker, most important in my mind would be the lack of control: most just have an on off switch...
if you must use that method, try using a crock pot or double boiler for the simple reason of being able to control evaporation as well as extraction...
if you are using properly cured buds (dried then cured over a manner of time *weeks* or whatever you like), for the green dragon method you do not need to heat the buds as the thca has already been denatured into readily usable thc... the method of heating is when using uncured buds, leaves, or sugar trim... if you had the time and space, it is possible that if you cured your trim, leaves, ect properly, you would not need to heat your trim ect before making either glycerine, oil, or alcohol based tinctures...
GOOD QUESTIONS STEVEN!!! clearly this is not your first rodeo... and welcome!

steven7685 · Jan 1, 2011

so if i hang dry the plant for 7-14 days then cure the buds and or second trimmings ( tons of crystals) in jars burping until im happy enough to smoke, then heating in an oven is not necessary? correct me if im not understanding that .
thanks NL3004

on another note:

not too sure about the taste of my up and fermenting tinctures, so i went out and bought a "Raspberry" extract for flavoring (Raspberry Rum Tincture sounded tasty :})

after i got it home and gave it some thought and then a bit of research i started to wonder if this extract flavoring would mix well with the Alcohol tincture. it wouldn't be that big of a deal if i have to shake and mix the tincture every time to distribute the flavoring within. also wondered if the flavoring would effect the euphoric and or medicinal properties of the tincture itself. but it would be good to know what type of flavorings have what type of effect on various types of tinctures ( taste wise, portion usage, rather the flavoring mixed well or separated)

the ingredients for the particular extract i have are as follows. (water, propylene glycol, alcohol (20%), extractives of raspberry, citric acid, fd&c red 40, and natural flavor)

i suppose the best bet is to do some experimenting my self and see what i like best. but any input from someone with experience tinkering with flavoring their tincture (without diluting it much) would be greatly and im sure widely appreciated.

poplars · Jan 1, 2011

why add propylene glycol to an alcohol tincture?? wouldn't the alcohol be good enough by itself??

steven7685 · Jan 1, 2011

excuse me. when i mention the ingredients for extract i mean the Raspberry Extract Flavoring itself.

sorry for any confusion.

its flavoring. so i obviously would like to add it to flavor the tincture a bit.

i use bacardi 151 to make my tincture, and im not too crazy about the flavor of my finished product

nl3004.kind · Jan 2, 2011

steven7685 said:
so if i hang dry the plant for 7-14 days then cure the buds and or second trimmings ( tons of crystals) in jars burping until im happy enough to smoke, then heating in an oven is not necessary? correct me if im not understanding that .
thanks NL3004

on another note:

not too sure about the taste of my up and fermenting tinctures, so i went out and bought a "Raspberry" extract for flavoring (Raspberry Rum Tincture sounded tasty :})

after i got it home and gave it some thought and then a bit of research i started to wonder if this extract flavoring would mix well with the Alcohol tincture. it wouldn't be that big of a deal if i have to shake and mix the tincture every time to distribute the flavoring within. also wondered if the flavoring would effect the euphoric and or medicinal properties of the tincture itself. but it would be good to know what type of flavorings have what type of effect on various types of tinctures ( taste wise, portion usage, rather the flavoring mixed well or separated)

the ingredients for the particular extract i have are as follows. (water, propylene glycol, alcohol (20%), extractives of raspberry, citric acid, fd&c red 40, and natural flavor)

i suppose the best bet is to do some experimenting my self and see what i like best. but any input from someone with experience tinkering with flavoring their tincture (without diluting it much) would be greatly and im sure widely appreciated.

on the first note: yes, exactly right... once it meets your standards of quality regarding curing, it's done, and you don't need to heat in oven...

on the second part: like much of life it is a catch 22: for maximum effect, the tink would be stronger without the flavorings (of any kind, not just the raspberry but any of them, unless you are using food grade essential oils which are hard to source, expensive, and extremely potent *thus making proper dosages limitations near the microgram level* ref= the 60's and lysergic acid dimethylamide manufacture)

OR

you can make it tasty with whatever extract you wish, but the end result will diluted somewhat...

on the positive side: the extract does not change appreciably from beginning to end of tink making, thus you could (if you so choose) add any flavoring you want to the finished product to create whichever flavor you wish...

i've had particular successes with vanilla, orgeat, mint flavorings but there are literally thousands more... though no appreciable difference in medicinal effect regardless of flavoring (sorry the raspberry flavor WONT make you trip more/harder)... probably...

good luck!

steven7685 · Jan 2, 2011

yeah, i was expecting the flavoring to dilute the tincture somewhat, and by no means did i ever think it would make it more potent lol.

but the amount i expect to use is like 1ml of Flavoring to a 1 ounce vial of tincture, and i think an oz of liquid if roughly 30 ml? would that be too diluted for effect, or to use under the tongue ???

i was more referring to using the tincture in a glass of your favorite beverage as being "over diluted"
i would also love to know is 1 ml of flavoring to an oz of tincture would be diluting the medicine too much.
but like i mentioned earlier. i love feedback and opinions

nl3004.kind · Jan 2, 2011

for stuff like that, you gotta try and taste...

what i like to do sometimes is make an "adult beverage" with tink (unflavored), just like making a cocktail...

not necessarily a martini, more like a rum and coke...

15 minutes and all that pain just fades away...

for under the tongue diluted with flavor makes it more palatable... still plenty strong though...

the fun part of this is being able to make it how it works best for you... that is the truly liberating part of taking charge of your medicine and treatment: you are capable of making your tink as strong, tasty or whatever you need... it is truly the best medicine...

gwhunran · Jan 2, 2011

I just finished making my second batch of heated method tincture. The first worked very well. I used a pint of 130 proof/65% alcohol (home distilled) and an equal amount by volume of bud. I baked the bud in a toaster oven for 10 minutes at 300 degrees F. and added to alcohol and simmered jarred mixture in water bath on stove. I will let it pickle for about a month as I did last time.
The last batch took about 90-120 minutes for the effects to really start. The buzz lasted around 8 hours and was very pleasant. Most of the time very couch lock with some intense ADD type buzz for a couple of hours in the middle. I like this stuff!

gwhunran · Jan 2, 2011

One of the best ways I've found yet to dose with this stuff. One tablespoon held in mouth for at least 30 seconds. Then add another tablespoon to a mug of coffee. This seemed to give me the most intense/quickest buzz. I think the coffee may have gotten it into my system quicker. This was wake and bake. Empty stomach.

steven7685 · Jan 8, 2011

so, ive been experimenting with the various methods of tinking. i have had a warm or room temperature tink going for a few weeks now (about 3), i have also made a batch of "Green Dragon" (heated method). although it hasnt been very long and some people suggest letting it set for longer and even twice as long, i can say that the green dragon tink is VERY EFFECTIVE! one dropper full (i believe its 1 Ml) held under the tongue for about a minute then swallow the rest down, this gave me an amazing body high that lasted easily 5-6hours and what was the rest of the night for me. super couch locked (computer chair for me) in fact. i found myself waking up a couple of times to a keyboard-pillow, which just made me laugh, but gave me PROOF of the effectiveness.

i just got done with my warm/room temp tink,for this i used 4 grams of high quality buds accompanied by 7 grams of very high quality second bud trim. i didnt measure the amount of Bacardi 151 when i poured it in, i covered the plant matter but my guess is that i used about 5 ounces of liquor. after i strained out the plant material (3 weeks later) i let the jar sit with no lid over night by a small 60CFM computer fan which reduced my overall liquid tink to about 2 ounces.

i am currently on an empty stomach about to drink a cup of coffee. but took 7 sprays (via atomizer) a couple under and a couple over tongue. i will report back with the effectiveness of the finished product.

purplehazin · Jan 8, 2011

Thanks; good info.

poplars · Jan 8, 2011

steven7685 said:
so, ive been experimenting with the various methods of tinking. i have had a warm or room temperature tink going for a few weeks now (about 3), i have also made a batch of "Green Dragon" (heated method). although it hasnt been very long and some people suggest letting it set for longer and even twice as long, i can say that the green dragon tink is VERY EFFECTIVE! one dropper full (i believe its 1 Ml) held under the tongue for about a minute then swallow the rest down, this gave me an amazing body high that lasted easily 5-6hours and what was the rest of the night for me. super couch locked (computer chair for me) in fact. i found myself waking up a couple of times to a keyboard-pillow, which just made me laugh, but gave me PROOF of the effectiveness.

i just got done with my warm/room temp tink,for this i used 4 grams of high quality buds accompanied by 7 grams of very high quality second bud trim. i didnt measure the amount of Bacardi 151 when i poured it in, i covered the plant matter but my guess is that i used about 5 ounces of liquor. after i strained out the plant material (3 weeks later) i let the jar sit with no lid over night by a small 60CFM computer fan which reduced my overall liquid tink to about 2 ounces.

i am currently on an empty stomach about to drink a cup of coffee. but took 7 sprays (via atomizer) a couple under and a couple over tongue. i will report back with the effectiveness of the finished product.

I've had my warm method sitting since the 27th... I took 2 teaspoons under the tongue (this was 151 proof everclear) and I had a light head high. didn't swallow it though, I bet after a couple more weeks it'll be perfect.

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