Aliens

doowmd said:

anyone ever heard of this before?: http://www.rense.com/ufo/battleofla.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles
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tardis said:

Ok, i didn't know thats how you saw things. My host didn't see things that way and i'm limited to his mind (with mine of course of which I got no frame of refrence for reactions). Not true, wormholes plus expressions in both positive, negative, and dark energy (to use your words for the trinity) methods are possible. Wormholes can't be Created by any expression of dark energy (consciousness), but rather they exist in points where bent timespace crosses itself... you see timespace has direction and since the limits of the outerverse put the form like a flower into play the petals begin and start with eachother... think an oval circling into the shape of a flower then add a spiral up (its kinda a universal consistent I figured your time figured out already). Now the times when these spaces cross are set, they are a part of the development of the universe, like a skipping frame within a film. Its ingraned, can't be changed.


Time travel happens, but we got very very little options to where and when we can go. that last true solid crossing was both approx 6,000 years ago and approx 24,000 years from now.

There is no way to create a paradox anymore then you could re-write the shape of the rings within an already grown tree. What happens happend, those "what if" science equations were built by the current human need to find something that doesn't make sense to create this God that is both a manifestation of mankind and outside of mankinds time at the same time. A Loop for lack of a better english word. (loops are one of the many patterns that exist throughout all levels of all 3 realities).

Now dark energy, to help make this make sense, peeks into both positive and anti mater universes. As both consciousness and the battery that keeps it moving (it moves backwards so that we can move forward... think a jar with sand on top and water below airtight, the sand would displace the water upwards. As dark energy pushes time forward and also expresses itself in consciousness within both. This is very hard to translate as its something i've never had to say or was never taught to me. It is a given that we know this as it is a given that you are able to understand what language is without it being explained, you move on from it as you mind knows it.

oh yes, one friend of mine was known in history as Aristotle. He retired like I in his time and didn't know of himself before going. I watched him (angel like invisible), and he didn't drink the lead laden water that made the human he mused (plato) go mad and misunderstand many of his suggestions. He thought he would create a paradox so as to go home. He convinced a young prince to take over the world and destroy everything in its path making all light skinned so as to wipe out a reboot for his soul. of course it didn't always work. He knew better but we didn't know enough yet and he was young. He lost some of his spark going there, something we had not counted on but which explained what happend to us. Some might say that the unvierse changed history but our records from antimater show this is not true, nothing was ever changed.....

I do not know what exactly you want. My host for lack of a better word doesn't know enough of the words I need to explain this to you. Perhaps if you were him you would want things that benefited you like stock numbers...

How about this, what little we do truely know from your age (despite how much we thought we knew) I do know that the President was Rubio when the western world changed forever. I just retire here because this spot was protected. Don't worry about it, it doesn't change much and I can't change any future outcome nor do I have any desire to, i'm just saying I got a golden ticket because I took a one way trip so i got access most didn't. As for all the info I have I think i've used it all up to any benefit it could give my host. and if you are still reading this PSYCH, not true, all a troll to remind you not to beleive everything you read.

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RavenMochi said:

In fact, tell me ANYTHING that you've figured out on your own that flies past the feeble minds of the rest of us....

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SOGfarmer said:

Well what you failed to realize is that i said there are thousands of UFO sightings every year. I don't know if many UFO crash landing sightings lol. There there. You choose to disregard them. Whatever tho obv wont be changin ur mind.

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Padawanbater2 said:

Then why the fuck are you in a thread that has a topic about aliens. What the fuck did you think this discussion was about? EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE THEORETICAL HERE, until you see the news cast saying, "oh shit, they're here..."

K, continue to be the guy saying "well maybe this, maybe that, prove me wrong!". You'll get nowhere fast.

And being an atheist has shit to do with this conversation, but thank you for sharing.



There ya go.

As far as the copy paste article, were you really expecting him to go do 10 yrs worth of personal research and come back with what he found? Oh, yea, you wanted him to think about it first. By giving it unaltered from the source he left out the ability for his opinion to contaminate the info.

Which isn't at all what I asked for. I made a point that DaS was just bringing up things he'd heard and seen from the movies and that that isn't a very good representation of the reality of science.

A copy/paste is exactly the same thing. Type "warp drive" into Google, click the first link and that's all there is to it. I'm not interested in that. I wanted him to explain to me how he believes the functioning of these devices would enable aliens to travel faster than light or open up worm holes - aka, reading and understanding more than just the basics, MORE than someone would know from JUST seeing them in the movies.

As far as worm holes, again, not speculation, theory. Not QUITE the same, I can speculate that there is a monkey on the moon, but theory showed the atom bomb was possible before the first detonation.

Theoretical none the less, the point is valid. Human beings can't and do not know how to for sure open up a worm hole. Does this mean I think it's impossible? No.

Again, what have you figured out to talk that much shit? Any grand discovery, anything but being an asshole to contribute to the conversation? Anything at all? Do you contribute, and if so, what?

What is the matter with you? In what part of any of my posts have I "talked shit" to you or anyone? You are misunderstanding - it's that simple.

Grow a pair.

(that's my way of saying stop being so sensitive, grow a thicker skin, this is the internet, you don't even know me, you've never seen my face, how beneficial is it for you to feel any amount of anger towards me after reading these replies?... Think about that...)



OK, so your standard for confirming something as fact boils down to sightings?

After reading that, obviously it doesn't, right? (I sure hope not anyway)

So think...

Think about how many sightings of other things there are each year...

Warewolves, Bigfoot, LochNess Monster, God, ghosts, demons, trolls, fairies, leprechauns, the list goes on and on...

How do you determine that UFO's are real, based solely off of the thousands of eyewitness reports from, as mentioned before, uneducated, highly impressionable, highly influenced individuals with preconceived notions of what they think they're seeing?

Why are the UFO's real, but not any of the other things I've listed which also receive just as many sightings as your UFO's?

Answer that.

(by "real" I mean why do they have to be, and how are you sure they're aliens?)

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SOGfarmer said:

I'm not sure they're aliens I dont know what they are

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SOGfarmer said:

but I am sure that theyre there. If you can believe in something like big foot or the lockness monster, or anything without having scientific eveidence (ex: religion), especialy since there are thousands of ufo sightings every year and only around 10 or less big foot sightings, than you have to think that there is some chance within this infinite universe that we are not the first little cells to develope into intelligent, somewhat advanced beings. If you deny that possibility than I cannot continue talking to you.

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Padawanbater2 said:

FINALLY some progress!!!!!!



The point was you can't confirm anything as fact based solely off sightings, it doesn't matter how many or how few, eyewitness accounts are not scientific evidence.

It's one thing to say that life could develop elsewhere in the universe and another to say that that life could advance to the point of being able to traverse the void of space to reach us.

You haven't demonstrated how they would do it or why they would come.

Nothing.


How would an alien species light years away from Earth reach us?

How do you know?

Why would they come?

Why would they hide?

Why would they just show themselves enough to be witnessed, then just vanish never to be seen again?

What is the point of that?

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jrems said:

A "witness" can lock a man away for life in a criminal trial...but a "witness" of a UFO is just plain ignorant or crazy

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Padawanbater2 said:

It's one thing to say that life could develop elsewhere in the universe and another to say that that life could advance to the point of being able to traverse the void of space to reach us.

You haven't demonstrated how they would do it or why they would come.

Nothing.


How would an alien species light years away from Earth reach us?

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Padawanbater2 said:

Takes 2 witnesses.

"eyewitness accounts might be one of the highest forms of evidence in a court of law, but it is the lowest form of evidence in the court of science" -Niel Tyson

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SOGfarmer said:

Well at least YOU aknowlege that there may be beings out there but I guess you think that they all get wiped out and die before they become advanced enough to travel space...??? (To combat an argument you might have: The universe has been around for 4.8 billion years and Earth has been here for over 400 million years so you can see how if there are beings out there I am sure there are many (theoretically an infinate amount of) civilizations that came about AT LEAST millions of years before us.

Oh yeah, let me get out my quantum physics book from 1 million years in the future and tell you HOW they would get here lol. What ever tho man. No changin your mind I'm done.

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SOGfarmer said:

Well at least YOU aknowlege that there may be beings out there but I guess you think that they all get wiped out and die before they become advanced enough to travel space...??? (To combat an argument you might have: The universe has been around for 4.8 billion years and Earth has been here for over 400 million years so you can see how if there are beings out there I am sure there are many (theoretically an infinate amount of) civilizations that came about AT LEAST millions of years before us.

Oh yeah, let me get out my quantum physics book from 1 million years in the future and tell you HOW they would get here lol. What ever tho man. No changin your mind I'm done.

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RavenMochi said:

The problem isn't the way everyone else thinks, its that your not good with abstract thought. Nay, near incapable of it. We don't look down on you for being....stunted, in this area of your intellectual growth. You and Ray Bradbury would have been great friends. With that said, going into a thread based on a topic demanding abstract thought maybe have been a little much for you to handle, hence your frustration for the "faults in our thinking".

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MexicanWarlord420 said:

Actually the earth is around 4.5 billion years old and the universe is estimated at 13.75 billion.

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Dropastone said:

Here's more cut and paste for everyone.

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24793/



The Drake Equation for the Multiverse

The famous Drake equation estimates the number of intelligent civilizations in the Milky Way. A new approach asks how many might exist in the entire multiverse.
kfc 02/10/2010

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In 1960, the astronomer Frank Drake devised an equation for estimating the number of intelligent civilizations in our galaxy. He did it by breaking down the problem into a hierarchy of various factors.

He suggested that the total number of intelligent civilizations in the Milky Way depends first on the rate of star formation. He culled this number by estimating the fraction of these stars with rocky planets, the fraction of those planets that can and do support life and the fraction of these that go on to support intelligent life capable of communicating with us. The result is this equation:

which is explained in more detail in this Wikipedia entry.

Today, Marcelo Gleiser at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire points out that cosmology has moved on since the 1960s. One of the most provocative new ideas is that the universe we see is one of many, possibly one of an infinite number. One line of thinking is that the laws of physics may be very different in these universes and that carbon-based life could only have arisen in those where conditions were fine-tuned in a particular way. This is the anthropic principle.

Consequently, says Gleiser, the Drake Equation needs updating to take the multiverse and the extra factors it introduces into account.
He begins by considering the total set of universes in the multiverse and defines the subset in which the parameters and fundamental constants are compatible with the anthropic principle. This is the subset {c-cosmo}.

He then considers the subset of these universes in which astrophysical conditions are ripe for star and galaxy formation {c-astro}. Next he looks at the subset of these in which planets form that are capable of harbouring life {c-life}. And finally he defines the subset of these in which complex life actually arises {c-complex life}.

Then the conditions for complex life to emerge in a particular universe in the multiverse must satisfy the statement at the top of this post (where the composition symbol denotes 'together with').

But there's a problem: this is not an equation. To form a true Drake-like argument, Gleiser would need to assign probabilities to each of these sets allowing him to write an equation in which the assigned probabilities multiplied together, on one side of the equation, equal the fraction of universes where complex life emerges on the other side.

Here he comes up against one of the great problems of modern cosmology--that without evidence to back up their veracity, many ideas in modern cosmology are little more than philosophy. So assigning a probability to the fraction of universes in the multiverse in which the fundamental constants and laws satisfy the anthropic principle is not just hard, but almost impossible to formulate at all.

Take {c-cosmo} for example. Gleiser points out a few of the obvious parameters that would need to taken into account in deriving a probability. These are the vacuum energy density, matter-antimatter asymmetry, dark matter density, the couplings of the four fundamental forces and the masses of quarks and leptons so that hadrons and then nuclei can form after electroweak symmetry breaking. Try assigning a probability to that lot.

Neither is it much easier for {c-astro}. This needs to take into account the fact that heavy elements seem to be important for the emergence of life which only seem to occur in galaxies above a certain mass and in stars of a certain type and age. Estimating the probability of these conditions occurring is still beyond astronomers.

At first glance, the third set {c-life} ought to be easier to handle. This must take into account the planetary and chemical constraints on the formation of life. The presence of liquid water and various elements such as carbon, oxygen and nitrogen seem to be important as do more complex molecules. How common these conditions are, we don't yet know.

Finally there is {c-complex life}, which includes all the planetary factors that must coincide for complex life to emerge. These may include long term orbital stability, the presence of a magnetic field to protect delicate biomolecules, plate tectonics, a large moon and so on. That's not so easy to estimate either.

Many people have tried to put the numbers into Drake's equation. The estimates for the number of intelligent civilisations in the Milky Way ranges from one (ours) to countless tens of thousands. Drake himself put the number at 10.

Gleiser's take on the Drake equation for the Multiverse is an interesting approach. What it tells us, however, is that our limited understanding of the universe today does not allow us to make any reasonable estimate of the number of intelligent lifeforms in the multiverse (more than one). And given the limits on what we can ever know about other universes, it's likely that we'll never be able to do much better than that.

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Padawanbater2 said:

Take a look at this;

[youtube]MlikCebQSlY[/youtube]



OK, like I said before, continue to be the guy saying "well they could come this way, they could come that way.." I'll continue to be the guy using skeptical thinking and logical thought.

If you seriously think ALIENS from another planet have come to Earth, then you have to demonstrate HOW they MIGHT have came, holy shit, does that mean you might have to use some "abstract thought"!?, and WHY they might have came.

None of you motherfuckers spouting off UFO sightings as ALIENS FROM ANOTHER PLANET have done either.

And I'm not surprised.



Beat me to it!

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