almost ww3

beardo

beardo

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fitch303 said:
This is not about the Chinese, although they'd rather have a communist north korea on their boarder then a U.S. backed reunited Korea. If there was open war between the north and ROK/U.S. the Chinese know they would start ww3 by sending their own troops into the mix, which is NOT what they want. Imo China is not interested in building a world empire, they already have vast resources and enough people to worry about. A long history of invasions by neighbors and the unresolved tension with North Korea have prompted South Korea to allocate 2.6% of its GDP and 15% of all government spending to its military, while maintaining compulsory conscription for men. All South Korean males are constitutionally required to serve in the military, typically for a period of two years. South Korea has the world's sixth largest number of active troops, the world's second-largest number of reserve troops and the eleventh largest defense budget. The Republic of Korea, with a regular military force numbering 3.7 million regular personnel among a total national population of 50 million people, has the second highest number of soldiers per capita in the world.

South Korea
Active: 687,000
Reserve: 8,000,000
Backed by the US 8th army 20k troops
20k Marines in Japan

North Korea
Active: 1,106,000
Reserve: 8,200,000

The allied forces have MUCH better equipment, moral, training, logistics and modern technology on their side.
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I don't see your point-In no way would it be easy for the south or the U.S. to over take the North
 
beardo

beardo

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fitch303 said:
Why do you keep posting that crap, you Have no idea what you're talking about. stop talking already. Seriously know wtf you're talking about or stfu, your posts are filled with ignorance.
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fitch303 said:
This is not about the Chinese, although they'd rather have a communist north korea on their boarder then a U.S. backed reunited Korea. If there was open war between the north and ROK/U.S. the Chinese know they would start ww3 by sending their own troops into the mix, which is NOT what they want. Imo China is not interested in building a world empire, they already have vast resources and enough people to worry about. A long history of invasions by neighbors and the unresolved tension with North Korea have prompted South Korea to allocate 2.6% of its GDP and 15% of all government spending to its military, while maintaining compulsory conscription for men. All South Korean males are constitutionally required to serve in the military, typically for a period of two years. South Korea has the world's sixth largest number of active troops, the world's second-largest number of reserve troops and the eleventh largest defense budget. The Republic of Korea, with a regular military force numbering 3.7 million regular personnel among a total national population of 50 million people, has the second highest number of soldiers per capita in the world.

South Korea
Active: 687,000
Reserve: 8,000,000
Backed by the US 8th army 20k troops
20k Marines in Japan

North Korea
Active: 1,106,000
Reserve: 8,200,000

The allied forces have MUCH better equipment, moral, training, logistics and modern technology on their side.
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My Google works to-I like the part about how I need to STFU and how ignorant I am
-Again
beardo said:
Toss my salad ! ! !
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The funny thing is I wasn't insulting you or questioning the validity of your points. I questioned our willingness and ability to defend S. Korea if the North were to go for it right now. I'm not sure if our country would be ready for a war like that and weather we might be getting forced into it right now.
 
fitch303

fitch303

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beardo said:
I don't see your point-In no way would it be easy for the south or the U.S. to over take the North
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That was never the point of posting. I was responding to a comment that the north would wipe out the south and making the point that the two sides are more closely matched than one might think. I just quoted you when I should have quoted others as well but multi quoting is not something I'm great at. Ignorance is lack of knowledge and not to be confused with the word stupid. Someone mention mortars going 100 miles and that's why I said that because clearly they didn't know what they were talking about.
 
beardo

beardo

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fitch303 said:
That was never the point of posting. I was responding to a comment that the north would wipe out the south and making the point that the two sides are more closely matched than one might think.
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I think now maybe thay could pretty much just take them over-yes it would be ugly but I think the N. could get the South to surrender and join the north as one korea pretty quickly. I think the north is much harder and more mentaly ready for major losses and I think the U.S. may or may not shy away from a Major engagement right now. I'm not sure what our response would be but either way it wouldn't be good. I just think the North might be crazy enough to go for it and with our economy as bad as it is and wars allready dragging on this might be as good a time as any I'm not sure if we would fight or withdraw and let S Korea fall.
 
fitch303

fitch303

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We'll just have to disagree with the exception that I also believe the US is stretched out pretty think right now. We have a mutual defense treaty with the south so an attack on one country is considered an attack on both so legally we have to back them up. The ROK has made major military contributions in our war on terror, unlike our other allies with their minor contributions Korea is actually worth defending.
 
MexicanWarlord420

MexicanWarlord420

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Fitch is right. NK on its own couldn't win shit against South Korea or the US. The worst they could do is cause heavy casualties with their thousands of artillery pieces well in range of Seoul and other major cities. Or they could use their nukes, but NK doesn't want total war because that means no more North Korea.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Not that I'm a fan of interventionist policies, but the U.S. should be talking to China about the Korean problem or pull out entirely which isn't going to happen. During the Korean war 60 years ago, many of the N. Korean troops were "volunteers" from China. It's one thing to kick N. Korea's butt, another to get into it with China.

Let's see how did that little chant go they taught us during the last nuclear war threat ? Drop, tuck and roll or something like that.
 
MexicanWarlord420

MexicanWarlord420

Active Member
Rob Roy said:
Not that I'm a fan of interventionist policies, but the U.S. should be talking to China about the Korean problem or pull out entirely which isn't going to happen. During the Korean war 60 years ago, many of the N. Korean troops were "volunteers" from China. It's one thing to kick N. Korea's butt, another to get into it with China.

Let's see how did that little chant go they taught us during the last nuclear war threat ? Drop, tuck and roll or something like that.
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Yea and when NK was about to lose China invaded with 200k troops. But now I wouldn't except them to back NK militarily.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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medicineman said:
So, where you gonna go?? If the big one starts, you'll either die immediately, later from radiation poisoning, or starve to death in the wilderness or be eaten by wild animals. I prefer the immeadiate death syndrome, no worries here, drop the bomb right on top of my house. I sure as hell don't want to die from radiation poisoning, or be all alone in the wilderness, but actually, I'll have no worries, Las Vegas is a nuke storehouse, Nellis AFB has a few thousand tactical nukes stored there, one direct hit and southern Nevada will be a smoking crater.
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I dont anticpate a nuclear conflict...just worried about a conflict that would give the fed enough gusto to reinstate the draft, or declare martial law...another war... It's not that I think I would survive a nuclear war, its just that I am always looking for ways to keep my survivability odds in my favor and if getting the fuck out of LA before SHTF does that, then yeah, I am going to bug-out. Trust, me I know its he who has the bombs that loses.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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I dont necesarily agree with you Fitch...

China's whole response to this has been either mute, or warning the US...to say that this isnt about China or that and unsupported South would stand a chance against a totally and completely chinese backed north is simply misleading. China is already looking to be the next great super power...they have been on that course for well over a decade. I agree that they might not be looking for a conflict, but I don't think that they are backing down away from one. And if they had the chance to just take over the peninsula, and taiwan to boot, they will. Do you think that all of that funding you mentioned is for nothing? They are at war with NO ONE, they have just been building their military in an economic boom...they already have been playing the game geopolitically buying up HUGE reserves of raw materials. They have consistently been challenging US power economically and diplomatically, nearly antagonizing our govt into a response. They know that they are they only ones that could reign in the north, and they simply refuse to do so...why? China will use Kim Jon Il as their patsy as long as they can to get what they want.

China is begin to feel the arrogance that the US had for so long and they have been waiting for their time to be a dominant force in the world once again. This has EVERYTHING to do with China.
 
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