• Here is a link to the full explanation: https://rollitup.org/t/welcome-back-did-you-try-turning-it-off-and-on-again.1104810/

always same strains suggested.

trapper

trapper

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Relaxed said:
Is that burmese kush? What seedbank? LIke to follow it....
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i think you are referring to what they call buku or something of that nature.the burmeese in the cross may be the same,the burmeese im growing is a popular BC strain that refferman and other breeders worked with.i smoked it this summer and was amased by the non couchlock more uplifting high,but it looks like an indica to me,so i decided to try it.it is from VISC.
 
trapper

trapper

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HHF said:
Hi Guy's

Some good posts in this thread, nice convo thanks.

Trapper, slight miss communication there friend. For me ''stableised'' means IBL. I wasnt referring to Chimera as a pollen chucker at all. I've spoken many times with him and enjoyed discourse with him, he is a very knowledgeable plant breeder. Far more so than the others mentioned in actual fact, but I was not aware of IBL's being released by him.

Peace! HHF
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we grew some outdoor seeds 3 years ago,it was good stuff for our northern climate,then it pollinated it self through stress and we grew those seeds last year,they grew a lot taller but decent,it pollinated it self again through stress.this year it is tall and hempy,every one of them.i can see why an inbred line or heirloom line is worth its weight.because a lot of those outdoor had a lot of rudallis or hemp in it from what i seen.but i guess that is why you gotta keep buying the f1 from the seed guy lol.
 
trapper

trapper

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HHF how are we the consumer supposed to know what is what when you have hacks running magazines that throw the title of master breeder around like rice at a wedding.I used to laugh at some colledge educated types trapping for a year or 2 then writeing books on trapping,while all they did was set some snares on community traplines.If an oldtimer tried those teqniques he would go hungry.They knew nothing of the instincts of the animal or the migration of its food,after fires floods etc,etc,you have to feel the land your on,you have to almost become woven into the echo system,which takes years and years.But with few books on trapping,they were the masters.And were i see the bottleneck in cannabis is just not in genetic material,but the available information being written and rewritten by the same voices every year.It is such a small exclucive club(one that i couldnt last a day in,nor would i want too) i would see red and?well no need going thier but im sure you get my drift.
 
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420MED

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Its pretty easy to dog subcools shit, especially when he's doing bigger things than you. More growers need to breed and sell their own shit if they think their better than established breeders. Thats the problem with potheads, all of them are experts in their own mind. Unless I have personally grown the strain I won't talk shit about it.
 
pinkus

pinkus

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Brick Top said:
The Space Queen that SubCool uses in some of his crosses is an F2 from an original Reeferman strain.

As most people know F2’s are unstable and what they produce can be rather less than predictable.

There was a time I would not purchase any professional breeder’s gear other than Reeferman’s.

I do not think any less of his genetic line now than I did then but since then a few other breeders have really hit one or two out of the park so I had to give them a shot.
　
Does anyone here honestly think that SubCool is in the same category as say …. Shantibaba?




Personally I don’t.
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you've already shown in past threads that you don't know what sub uses or doesn't use. he also charges MUCH less than reef, at least at breedbay. F2s aren't a problem for anyone who knows how to clone and chose a mother. If someone is doing a commercial crop from seed this could be a problem. they are connoisseur grade seeds, not Big Bud.

EDIT: Vic High is where the genetic come from i believe. I'm NOT pretending to be an expert...pretty sure they were Vic's.
 
shepj

shepj

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F2's are what I consider appealing (in this scenario), because you can really get some variety and do your own crossing and back crossing, making the genetics potentially better and eventually, stable. ya dig?
 
bicycle racer

bicycle racer

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i know i find peoples obsession with stability amusing. i like f-2s i can pick what i like clone it make moms or work it through a few generations to get what i want. if your doing an sog grow or commercial grow then uniform plants are nice but again thats what clones are for.
 
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Wetdog

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bicycle racer said:
i know i find peoples obsession with stability amusing. i like f-2s i can pick what i like clone it make moms or work it through a few generations to get what i want. if your doing an sog grow or commercial grow then uniform plants are nice but again thats what clones are for.
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I like F2s also, just don't feel like paying a stabilized line prices for them.;-)

In my 87-88 SSSC catalog (my wife cleaned and I haven't re located it yet), there were ~25 or so strains listed. They were very careful to tell which one were stabilized, F2s, a couple of untested F1s, and which had a tendency to hermi (both sativas).

Now, you don't see that much and there are also literally thousands of strains. Well, thousands of neat names anyway.;-)

Creating F2s from 2 stabilized strains takes little skill, not much of a step above pollen chucking, but then charging big $$$$ and then advising to 'pick the best pheno' out of 10 seeds?:finger: 50 seeds perhaps, 100 is better, but 10?

Guess there is more than one being born every minute.:lol:

bicycle racer, this rant is not directed at you, please don't take offense.:peace:

Wet
 
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