Am I Right To Start Flushing Now?

Pinworm

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this is great, this douchebag pops his head in and out of the thread making stupid and hypocritical comments. then says this on pg 25

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anyone that is THIS concerned about how other people grow their plants, might need to start worrying.


What a fucking total hippocat loser

He comes in and doesn't add a single thing to this discussion. Someone calls him out for it. He cries foul when the name calling ensues, but then turns right around and does the same thing. That makes him a hypocrite. Buck must of done a real number on him, seeing how that's all he can talk about when someone calls him on his bullshit. I bet he cut him deep.
 

chuck estevez

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He comes in and doesn't add a single thing to this discussion. Someone calls him out for it. He cries foul when the name calling ensues, but then turns right around and does the same thing. That makes him a hypocrite. Buck must of done a real number on him, seeing how that's all he can talk about when someone calls him on his bullshit. I bet he cut him deep.
I was thinking the same thing, serious butt hurt. @UncleBuck worked this guy so hard, he drools buck in his sleep
 

chuck estevez

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check this out

3 race horses

horse 1 is fed junk food and lots of it,2 weeks before the race, he gets nothing but water

horse 2 is fed good food from start but gets some supposed muscle boosters along the way, then gets tons of water 2 weeks before race

horse 3 is fed a quality diet from start up until day of race.


Place your bets
 

a senile fungus

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I'm still lol'ing at 'my buddy with COPD had a collapsed lung'.

Look up spontaneous pheumothorax. COPD'ers are more susceptible to pneumos regardless, add smoking, coughing, and decreased O2 levels and increased CO2 levels to the mix and they're lucky they didn't get out on a ventilator to blow off all that CO2 on board.

I've seem healthy young men with spontaneous pnuemos, I very much doubt that a "flush" would've saved your friends lung from collapsing.

Hahahaha I'm imagining us putting in a chest tube and the doc says, "shoulda flushed your weed!"

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a senile fungus

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Also, here's some interesting info on ash color, from a reputable member who knows his shit.

I'll start at the beginning, just read it, I know kinda long and may encompass info you know. but I don't know of any accurate threads on curing

i use the "worst" nutes you can buy, meaning chemicals like miracle grow

but I know how nutes effect the plant and burn qualities, so I only look at types of nutes and ratios.no crackling here and black ash is a bad cure. I know your thinking it changes the flavor for the better..


When wood is heated anaerobically, it turns black as the water is driven off, leaving charcoal, or carbon, behind. When charcoal burns in air, the carbon combines with oxygen, producing carbon dioxide gas. But if you have ever used a charcoal grill,you will noticed that charcoal turns white as it burns. This white ash is what remains of the non-flammable minerals which were present in the wood to begin with. You don't really notice them until the carbon has burned away. These ashes have a composition which varies according to the kind of wood and the soil in which it grew, and it is this variable composition which marks ash as a mixture rather than apure substance.

Ash is literally the nutes. and once in the bud it's not going anywhere till it's broken down or used up within the plant.

that anaerobic burning is what causes butane lighters to produce soot or that black stuff if you put the flame under something, propane burns wonderfully clean but as you add carbon(butane pentane etc) it needs more oxygen, as you go up it won't burn properly unless you add an oxidizer.. this is also why BIC lighters are only about 500 degrees instead of 3500 or whatever butane likes to burn at..(bics design limits oxygen,if you have a torch for dabbing with an adjuster you know what I'm talking about)


...flushing is debated alot around here but its proven that it doesn't lower nutes in your bud, it causes the plant to form an abscission layer in the fan leaves(Google it) to preserve nutes in the bud, you'll notice the bud is last to yellow...

The white ash is literally the nutes and nutes are actually good and improve the burn qualities,yes my ash burns to white..potassium for example expands when hot and helps it burn much more efficiently.. calcium adds weight and mass to the ash while making it whiter but too much makes it flakey.. sulphur ,ammonical n and chlorinated nutes negatively impact burn qualities etc etc I mean the tobacco industry laid it all out for us already, we just have to modify how we cure as we are dealing with volatile compounds and understanding what we are after isn't a nitrate but phosphate(terpenes come from phosphates). No other crop is flushed wether grapes or tobacco so that you get the best burn, yield, quality and flavor..the cure is very important But fresh herb barely dry enough to smoke with no cure doesn't crackle much except for the moisture and resin but leaves it black. flushing is counterproductive imo and only serves to foxtail my landrace Sativas. nutrients are used and converted in the plant, it ends up the same thing



now about the flavor

the cure is important and the fowl taste associated with not flushing is simply a poor cure..a harsh hot acrid taste is from burning starches and chlorophyll....also associated with newbs overfeeding making the cure that much harder, flushing will help to lower n if you overfed..keeping the plant moist enough to stay alive and still maintain gas transfer..through this natural process of hydrolysis and respiration the components are broken down and becomes smooth..this process is known as the cure


Night and day difference in curing ..

Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies

Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down

Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner tasting/cleaner feeling high

polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a higher ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones

Reduction of and consistent moisture content, even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn


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chuck estevez

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Anything marijuana related is fine with out the arrogance that just because I do it this way it's got to be right.
see title of thread, Everyone pretty much agrees, do what you want. The problem is the spread of misinformation. Telling people that flushing will make better smoke and you can stick shitty grown weed into a jar,wait 3 months and pull out a pearl, are just nonsense.
 

Doer

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i have a jar of overnuted from my second grow about 3 years ago.it still hasn't cured.so that theory is void.

my citation: the jar that i keep in the pantry to remind myself not over do nutes.

nothing worse than to lose your whole harvest week 8.

:lol:
If I add too much feed, all manner of bad stuff happens. I get deficiency signals across the range. So, I know she has shut down. She is not feeding at all. Not only that, in my system, she is done. I don't baby them back, got no hospic, shoot the wounded, etc.

So, I really don't know what "overnuted" even means.
 

chuck estevez

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Also, here's some interesting info on ash color, from a reputable member who knows his shit.





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I like qwizo, smart dude, BUT, we don't smoke wood. comparing the ash from a tree, to a bud, which is like a fruit. It is full of plant sugars, not nutrients.
 

Doer

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I guess you grow turds. I grow buds.


Btw, anyone that is THIS concerned about how other people grow their plants, might need to start worrying.
Shocked the 3-4 people in this thread who are so stuck on flushing. What is the point of being so overwhelming concerned about what other people do?

Is it some kind of freaky thing where you have to be right and cannot stop until you somehow convince the world that you are right?

Went to some other sites to see if there are any threads so combative over flushing, and nope, seems like Rollitup is the only place that has the 4 plant nazis running around telling everyone else how they have to grow... Other places are like "man do what you want, its a preference".
Are you looking in the mirror. We are having a fine discussion.

"Other places are like "man do what you want, its a preference""

What the hell happened to you? You are going bug-out, sideways.

What is the use of discussing anything, if it is always so PC, dude, suck your thumb, anything you do is OK?

BESIDES I'VE SAID THAT 3 times already.

So, what I don't get is the forum vulture Nazi that will sweep in from his perch to SAVE.

Actually you are just picking bones and everyone knows it.
 
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