Amare v. Platinum

tstick · Feb 10, 2017

@STX.OrganicGuerilla If the choice is between the Platinum and the Amare, then I'd take the Amare....However....having said that, there are a few less-expensive options available that will provide your plants with a lot more light and better "bang for the buck"...But there's no denying that the Amare is a very nice and well-made light -especially between the two choices you have listed. My only real criticism is that, if you commit to an enclosed-chassis fixture, such as either of these, then you are tied to that design forever after. And rest assured, that a year from now, there will be the new model which will be even better....It won't ever end!

You're on the right track by researching and asking around! Good luck!

STX.OrganicGuerilla · Feb 10, 2017

tstick said:
@STX.OrganicGuerilla If the choice is between the Platinum and the Amare, then I'd take the Amare....However....having said that, there are a few less-expensive options available that will provide your plants with a lot more light and better "bang for the buck"...But there's no denying that the Amare is a very nice and well-made light -especially between the two choices you have listed. My only real criticism is that, if you commit to an enclosed-chassis fixture, such as either of these, then you are tied to that design forever after. And rest assured, that a year from now, there will be the new model which will be even better....It won't ever end!

You're on the right track by researching and asking around! Good luck!

Thank you sir for the honest imput, as with all tech these days I expect upgrades to be on the market rather quickly.
This will be the 1st light I buy so of course I'm doing thorough research before dropping any cash.
So far Amare is the brand I'm leaning towards.

Abiqua · Feb 10, 2017

STX.OrganicGuerilla said:
Thank you sir for the honest imput, as with all tech these days I expect upgrades to be on the market rather quickly.
This will be the 1st light I buy so of course I'm doing thorough research before dropping any cash.
So far Amare is the brand I'm leaning towards.

pass...seriously there are atleast 4companies started out of these very forums that i would buy over either......as far as im concerned the two suggestions might as well be the same company

tstick · Feb 10, 2017

@STX.OrganicGuerilla You're quite welcome!

Here are some avenues to explore:

Timber Grow Lights is a company that's renowned for providing an extremely customizable and upgradeable product with great customer service.

Fluence makes a very efficient light

Nextlight makes a very efficient light

Really hoping to see a finished product that utilizes the new Quantum Board technology, too! Northern Gow Lights and Johnson Grow Lights

Apache Tech makes a great light....even more expensive than the Amares!

STX.OrganicGuerilla · Feb 10, 2017

tstick said:
@STX.OrganicGuerilla You're quite welcome!

Here are some avenues to explore:

Timber Grow Lights is a company that's renowned for providing an extremely customizable and upgradeable product with great customer service.

Fluence makes a very efficient light

Nextlight makes a very efficient light

Really hoping to see a finished product that utilizes the new Quantum Board technology, too! Northern Gow Lights and Johnson Grow Lights

Apache Tech makes a great light....even more expensive than the Amares!

Whats the best out as of today? For a 250w - 450w led.
From your experience, if you were looking for a great full spectrum led to grow 1-2 plants what route would you go and why?

tstick · Feb 10, 2017

@STX.OrganicGuerilla In my opinion, and with all aspects considered, I would definitely recommend this:

http://timbergrowlights.com/400-watt-vero29-v7-square-framework/

If you read the description, then you can see you can have them build you a framework with the lights set at an appropriate spacing for your growing style. The new Vero V7 COBs are reported to perform very well, too. I feel this is your best option and best value.

STX.OrganicGuerilla · Feb 10, 2017

tstick said:
@STX.OrganicGuerilla In my opinion, and with all aspects considered, I would definitely recommend this:

http://timbergrowlights.com/400-watt-vero29-v7-square-framework/

If you read the description, then you can see you can have them build you a framework with the lights set at an appropriate spacing for your growing style. The new Vero V7 COBs are reported to perform very well, too. I feel this is your best option and best value.

Looks promising, do they ship prebuilt or is it self assembled?
Nvm they explain. Thank you!

PetFlora · Feb 10, 2017

nogod_ said:
Link me any side by side where an Amare outperforms a like-wattage lamp using the latest generation white cobs or smds. If you can't send me the link, then you sir, are just another blowhard!

I'm not claiming anything other than your "enhanced spectrum" is a fairytale. Prove me wrong!

You are not on my radar to prove anything. You opened your big fat mouth and I shoved my foot in it. All you can do now is attempt to flip the script, wanting me to prove it for you. Obviously, you have zero proof but thought you would show how smart you are, when in fact all you did was post a stupid comment lol

Johnny Lawrence · Feb 10, 2017

PetFlora said:
You are not on my radar to prove anything. You opened your big fat mouth and I shoved my foot in it. All you can do now is attempt to flip the script, wanting me to prove it for you. Obviously, you have zero proof but thought you would show how smart you are, when in fact all you did was post a stupid comment lol

So then why should the op purchase an Amare over another less costly cob fixture?

TogiX · Feb 10, 2017

PetFlora said:
You are not on my radar to prove anything. You opened your big fat mouth and I shoved my foot in it. All you can do now is attempt to flip the script, wanting me to prove it for you. Obviously, you have zero proof but thought you would show how smart you are, when in fact all you did was post a stupid comment lol

To be fair he kind of does have a point because you and Hybridway are the only people consistently recommending only Amare to people that ask and I've seen you do it on multiple forums as well while everyone else recommends Timber and DIY so he's absolutely correct in demanding to see a direct comparison to Amare vs something like Vero29C from Timber at equal wattage.

$579 400 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $895 SP 400 from Amare.
$1,399 900 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $1995 SP 900 from Amare.

DIY will beat everything as always.

KarmaPaymentPlan · Feb 10, 2017

TogiX said:
To be fair he kind of does have a point because you and Hybridway are the only people consistently recommending only Amare to people that ask and I've seen you do it on multiple forums as well while everyone else recommends Timber and DIY so he's absolutely correct in demanding to see a direct comparison to Amare vs something like Vero29C from Timber at equal wattage.

$579 400 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $895 SP 400 from Amare.
$1,399 900 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $1995 SP 900 from Amare.

DIY will beat everything as always.

Timber is hardly DIY imo. if you can mix nutes/amendments you can assemble one of those lights

STX.OrganicGuerilla · Feb 10, 2017

TogiX said:
To be fair he kind of does have a point because you and Hybridway are the only people consistently recommending only Amare to people that ask and I've seen you do it on multiple forums as well while everyone else recommends Timber and DIY so he's absolutely correct in demanding to see a direct comparison to Amare vs something like Vero29C from Timber at equal wattage.

$579 400 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $895 SP 400 from Amare.
$1,399 900 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $1995 SP 900 from Amare.

DIY will beat everything as always.

This is good info right here.

FortuneSeeker · Feb 10, 2017

TogiX said:
To be fair he kind of does have a point because you and Hybridway are the only people consistently recommending only Amare to people that ask and I've seen you do it on multiple forums as well while everyone else recommends Timber and DIY so he's absolutely correct in demanding to see a direct comparison to Amare vs something like Vero29C from Timber at equal wattage.

$579 400 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $895 SP 400 from Amare.
$1,399 900 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $1995 SP 900 from Amare.

DIY will beat everything as always.

Don't forget about the discount!!

With 25% the prices are a bit more balanced.

PetFlora · Feb 11, 2017

TogiX said:
To be fair he kind of does have a point because you and Hybridway are the only people consistently recommending only Amare to people that ask and I've seen you do it on multiple forums as well while everyone else recommends Timber and DIY so he's absolutely correct in demanding to see a direct comparison to Amare vs something like Vero29C from Timber at equal wattage.

$579 400 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $895 SP 400 from Amare.
$1,399 900 watt Vero 29 from Timber will slightly outperform $1995 SP 900 from Amare.

DIY will beat everything as always.

It's one thing to inquire, it's another to cast aspersions when the person doing it has ZERO first hand knowledge. There are lots of Amare users who choose not to deal with the likes of the nogods on this and various other grow site threads

I also have used and favorably reported on BML SPYDR 600 (custom collaboration with Nick using my own spectrums) and various Transcend Lighting products; t5 led tubes & D 200, a greenhouse supplement light. Also, I have given massive props for QBs, a design idea I had 3+ years ago, but never put together due to the BML collaboration

PetFlora · Feb 11, 2017

Johnny Lawrence said:
So then why should the op purchase an Amare over another less costly cob fixture?

Indeed. For the same reason someone would buy a BMW 750 over say a Cadillac XTS? Personal choice. Some find value in the extra steps taken to provide highest tech and quality product. Now, is there an ideal CoB for both veg and flower? Perhaps a 4000- 4500K would come the closest.

One benefit of the Amare CoB hybrids is the ring of mono diodes which is on a separate switch. The rings can be employed separately for veg/clone, using much less power, as well as late flower= added value

PetFlora · Feb 11, 2017

Danielson999 said:
Both of the lights I linked will run cooler than the Amare or Platinum lights. They are also more efficient than the Amare or Platinum so you get more light for less money and create less heat. Win win. There are literally a hundred+ grow journals in RIU using either the same light or same cobs and drivers so there's a ton of info on them too.

Do you have proof of this? I have grown with Amare 100, 150, 260, SE 220, SE 250 and a Pro 3. None added enough heat to the grow tents to be a concern

Danielson999 · Feb 11, 2017

PetFlora said:
Do you have proof of this? I have grown with Amare 100, 150, 260, SE 220, SE 250 and a Pro 3. None added enough heat to the grow tents to be a concern

How many heat watts each produces are easy to figure out just by looking at the specs of each light. Nobody said anything about Amare lights producing too much heat for a tent. The OP merely stated he thought the cob light from Timber would produce too much heat when in fact it produces less than the Amare and Platinum he was also interested in. Just thought I'd clarify things for him.

STX.OrganicGuerilla · Feb 11, 2017

Danielson999 said:
How many heat watts each produces are easy to figure out just by looking at the specs of each light. Nobody said anything about Amare lights producing too much heat for a tent. The OP merely stated he thought the cob light from Timber would produce too much heat when in fact it produces less than the Amare and Platinum he was also interested in. Just thought I'd clarify things for him.

So I now know the platinum is trash.
And Amares are highly debated over against DIY led setups and Timber grow lights.
But 25% off is a damn good deal, I could get a step up on wattage for my original budget which is very convenient but also a bit questionable, cause why would the best discount their products? Unless there was worthy competition!
That timber 400 looks nicely put together but the Amares for some reason, maybe I've been over sold or something but they look like they produce some acceptional results.
Are there any side by side threads using the same strain seed and everything?
Now its between the Amare se-450 and the timber 400w vero.
But even with 25% off the se-450 will run 300$ more than the timber lights.

Danielson999 · Feb 11, 2017

STX.OrganicGuerilla said:
So I now know the platinum is trash.
And Amares are highly debated over against DIY led setups and Timber grow lights.
But 25% off is a damn good deal, I could get a step up on wattage for my original budget which is very convenient but also a bit questionable, cause why would the best discount their products? Unless there was worthy competition!
That timber 400 looks nicely put together but the Amares for some reason, maybe I've been over sold or something but they look like they produce some acceptional results.
Are there any side by side threads using the same strain seed and everything?
Now its between the Amare se-450 and the timber 400w vero.
But even with 25% off the se-450 will run 300$ more than the timber lights.

You're right. It's just a marketing scam. They just overprice the light so high that even when they knock 25% off they still make a ton of money. It's a shame people do business like that instead of just offering a product at a fair price to begin with.

There have been several fairly professional growers/light builders on RIU that have done comparisons between using straight cob setups vs cobs with added mono's or 'enhanced spectrum'. Not one of those respected members of RIU found there to be any negligible difference so they simply stuck with cob only lights. Some growers, especially professional growers where the length of a grow cycle matters will add far red to their setup in an effort to shorten the flowering cycle a few days but the majority of us don't care much about speeding up the process.

I originally thought you were only needing a light for a small space like 2'x2.5'? If that's the case, 200w is plenty of power. 400w of Vero cobs is enough to rock a 3'x3' or even use in a 4'x4'.

Also, the problem I've seen many people have with Amare's is that they use lenses. If you keep your light relatively close to your plants the coverage area gets really small. The biggest complaint I've seen from Amare owners is that the lights don't have great coverage. Of course you'll find owners on here who will tell you different! lol.

I prefer the simplicity of the Timber lights. Excellent coverage, better efficiency, equal power and less cost. Tough to beat that but each to their own.

PetFlora · Feb 11, 2017

Danielson999 said:
You're right. It's just a marketing scam. They just overprice the light so high that even when they knock 25% off they still make a ton of money. It's a shame people do business like that instead of just offering a product at a fair price to begin with.

There have been several fairly professional growers/light builders on RIU that have done comparisons between using straight cob setups vs cobs with added mono's or 'enhanced spectrum'. Not one of those respected members of RIU found there to be any negligible difference so they simply stuck with cob only lights. Some growers, especially professional growers where the length of a grow cycle matters will add far red to their setup in an effort to shorten the flowering cycle a few days but the majority of us don't care much about speeding up the process.

I originally thought you were only needing a light for a small space like 2'x2.5'? If that's the case, 200w is plenty of power. 400w of Vero cobs is enough to rock a 3'x3' or even use in a 4'x4'.

Also, the problem I've seen many people have with Amare's is that they use lenses. If you keep your light relatively close to your plants the coverage area gets really small. The biggest complaint I've seen from Amare owners is that the lights don't have great coverage. Of course you'll find owners on here who will tell you different! lol.

I prefer the simplicity of the Timber lights. Excellent coverage, better efficiency, equal power and less cost. Tough to beat that but each to their own.

More unfounded accusations. I'll start with the Pro 3 (newish model) 300w covers 2 x 4 MSRP $695= $2.31/w assembled, 5 year warranty vs DIY.

When labor, parts, equipment to build and test are factored in if there is a difference, it is negligible for most to care about. Plug and play for me, although the QBs eliminate a good bit of the labor and I do like them (I prefer the more consistent umole coverage they produce v CoBs) from what I've seen so far from various grow threads

Amare includes lenses which is beneficial in high grow spaces,

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