AMAZING growth pattern. mutant or pheno?

Ok.... a couple days ago, I noticed that I had female pre-flowers on one of my blackberrys! Right at the node, two little pods had opened up, one of them had 2 stamins that were already orangish, the other has white stamins coming out. I took a picture but it's really small and not coming out very good (when I push the button, the camera moves enough to fuck the picture up) Needless to say I was pretty stoked, as it is my second best Blackberry, second only to Tripod (as my friend CannaSeur so affectionately named it). Anyway, I checked the others at that point and I didn't see any more pre-flowers.

Fast foreward to today, and I'm looking through the garden, when I happen be checking out the Tripod and see what looks to me like a tiny little pod, even smaller than the other plant's, with 2 teensy tiny white stamins coming out.... It is literally so small that I know i won't be able to get a photo of it for at least a couple more days. So I guess this plant is Female! I will take a picture in a couple days when its a little bigger, and maybe more will be visible. Until then, Just take my word for it. I'm so fuckin' happy! I have never had a plant that showed female and then turned male, so it looks like Tripod is a girl!

Ok, I took pictures of both pre-flower sites, one on each plant. the one on Tripod is really really small, because there is an extra branch at each node, that means that each pre-flower pod gets a little less room because there are 6 at each node instead of 4. So first I'm gonna show the best couple pictures I got of the regular Blackberry with female pre-flowers, and then the best couple shots I got of the female pre-flower on Tripod. These are also my 2 best plants from this variety so far, so I would have had to use one of them as a monther if the other one had gone male. This way, I can harvest my best non tripod Blackberry!!! I included a couple shots of each because since the pre-flowers are so small, it is hard to get a good shot of them. I think there is a pretty good shot in either case, and shot 4 turned out really good, which was the most important one since it is on my Blackberry named Tripod, the one with the whorled phyllotaxy! Tell me what you guys think!

1) Female pre-flowers on a regular Blackberry, this shot is a little fuzzy. Hairs are still white on the left pod, already turned orange on the right pod.
2) Another shot of the same plant and same pre-flower, but less blurry.
3) First female preflower on Tripod, it is very small but it is in the dead center, so you should be able to see it.
4) This pic is a little less fuzzy. Looks like a girl to me!!! Dead center in the pic, I see a pod opened up with 2 white hairs coming out! It is on the one node that only had 2 fan leaves, but it's interesting to note that even this node has three budding sites, you can even see right below the pre-flower where the third fan leaf almost grew, but then didnt.

Looks female to me, too. Very nice looking plants btw.

man, are you gonna clone that tripod? you should, you really should. I'd pay quite a bit for a rooted clone. but seriously you should keep that plant around, like try to breed a strain that's like that, and if you don't wanna do it, give me a clone and I'll do it

Haha...I am sure he has got that breeding part covered. No worries.

marijuanajoe1982 said:

Ok.... a couple days ago, I noticed that I had female pre-flowers on one of my blackberrys! Right at the node, two little pods had opened up, one of them had 2 stamins that were already orangish, the other has white stamins coming out. I took a picture but it's really small and not coming out very good (when I push the button, the camera moves enough to fuck the picture up) Needless to say I was pretty stoked, as it is my second best Blackberry, second only to Tripod (as my friend CannaSeur so affectionately named it). Anyway, I checked the others at that point and I didn't see any more pre-flowers.

Fast foreward to today, and I'm looking through the garden, when I happen be checking out the Tripod and see what looks to me like a tiny little pod, even smaller than the other plant's, with 2 teensy tiny white stamins coming out.... It is literally so small that I know i won't be able to get a photo of it for at least a couple more days. So I guess this plant is Female! I will take a picture in a couple days when its a little bigger, and maybe more will be visible. Until then, Just take my word for it. I'm so fuckin' happy! I have never had a plant that showed female and then turned male, so it looks like Tripod is a girl!

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isnt staminate male an pistilate female? Yeah, im sure he is referring t the female pistils.

VFW - vincent f*#ked a whore

anhedonia said:

isnt staminate male an pistilate female? Yeah, im sure he is referring t the female pistils.

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Hey, thanks for catching my fau pas. I was really excited not to mention quite high. You got me bro, +rep for catching the slip-up. Of course I meant pistils, or "pistols" as some refer to them (lol), have been appearing, my bad. This forum gives a pass for being so stoned, as well as excited, I'm sure

Mr. Maryjane said:

man, are you gonna clone that tripod? you should, you really should. I'd pay quite a bit for a rooted clone. but seriously you should keep that plant around, like try to breed a strain that's like that, and if you don't wanna do it, give me a clone and I'll do it

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Yes. I plan on moving it outdoors before my flowering has gone one for more than a week or two. Basically when the best plants show sex, and I am able to pick my mothers and fathers and move them into some sunny spots (very far apart) outside, they should revert back to veg long enough for me to take plenty of clones, and it will keep them vegging for awhile. How long can I safely leave them outside before I would need to worry about the flowering process starting. It does start before the Atumnal Equinox, however, which is technically natures 12/12 (correct me if I'm wrong). I could make quite a few clones, in July, I think. but I have never cloned before. I think I have everything necessary for the process, and will be able to start the process very soon. PM me, Mr.Maryjane, perhaps you can offer some guidance on the subject . Also, tell me what you think about my plan, it should work out just fine (at least through July. I just gotta keep them in veg, 1 month outside at this time of the year shouldn't cause flowering, right? after that they will have to go back to the flowering room, and what would I do with the clones? they would need to be vegged. If I can get some of those early flowerers out, just enough to build a small veg area just until everything else is done flowering. Its not like I have a veg room and a flower room. I have a veg room that turns into a flower room. sometimes mother nature can be a veg room, but not forever.

Nice plants. Same thing is happening to my mutant plant. Not sure about the sex yet, should be showing soon. here's some pics.

nepali grizzly said:

Nice plants. Same thing is happening to my mutant plant. Not sure about the sex yet, should be showing soon. here's some pics.

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It doesn't look like the EXACT same mutation, but it is very similar. You seem to have 4 fan leaves coming off that one node. Good to know i'm not the only one with a mutant, though . How old is it? What variety is yours, Griz? Mine is Blackberry from VISC.

Griz, after looking at your pics a bit more, it looks like all nodes have 4 branches, is this the case? It is often hard to capture everything with just a camera, I have found out trying to take pics of Tripod. Anyway, how would you describe your strange growth pattern?

my plant is almost a month old and it is splitting into 2 at the 6th node, at the 1st node it has the normal 2 leaves then from the 2nd-6th nodes have the 4 leaves per node. It looks like the stem is 2 plants conjoined. One of the two branches at the top is triple noded and the other is normal. Can't wait till it gets more growth so i can see it better. Its kinda tough to explain...

Oh and its either grizzly or hash plant x grizzly, not too sure. Some of my seeds got mixed up.

nepali grizzly said:

my plant is almost a month old and it is splitting into 2 at the 6th node, at the 1st node it has the normal 2 leaves then from the 2nd-6th nodes have the 4 leaves per node. It looks like the stem is 2 plants conjoined. One of the two branches at the top is triple noded and the other is normal. Can't wait till it gets more growth so i can see it better. Its kinda tough to explain...

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I have a branch that was supposed to be a fan leaf but instead became this gnarly budding branch, and it's racing to catch the tri-noded top. It's growth pattern is normal, not trinoded. Also I've mentioned it before, but I have a G13 Haze that has split into two on its own. I don't know why I have so much genetic anomalies in such a small population. I've never experienced anything like this before, in all my outdoor seasons. Usually most outdoor strains I've grown have been homogenous with only a size-difference in most cases when it came to different phenotypes. This round I have a couple really unique phenotypes and some oddball mutations. Should be fune when its time to breed Anyway, out! I will go take pics now and post soon.

ok, I'm a man of my word, so heres some pictures I took just before I gave them a little water. They certainly are starting to drink more as those root systems grow! I used to have to water twice a week, now its every other day. It looks like all plants have been taking the 1/4 strength veg nutes I gave them 3 waters ago. I got pics og the Blackberry Tripod we all know and love, as well as some new pics of the G13 Haze that split on it's own. Also just a couple pics of the garden. Hope you enjoy them, I certainly am. How does everything look? They are about a month and a half old, in case you are just tuning in . out.
1) Blackberry Tripod, bird's eye view with main cola and secondary "cola".
2) Blackberry Tripod, interior shot. Still retains whorled phyllotaxy.
3) G13 Haze w/ 2 tops, bird's eye view showing both tops, neither seems dominant.
4) G13 Haze w/ 2 tops, interior shot from a couple days ago.
5) G13 Haze w/ 2 topd, interior shot taken just now.
6) Here's the whole garden!
7) Right side of the garden (can you spot Tripod?)
Left side of the garden (can you spot the 2 topped G13 Haze?)

where did you two get you seeds from, cause I'm trying to breed some cool mutations into truebreeding strain of their own.

Thats the odd part, Blackberry and another VISC strain (Fuckin' Incredible) were sent from kindseeds.com(good selection of canadian seeds), while my Barneys G13 Haze came from sensibleseeds.com(better selection & prices, but no canadian seeds). They were sent in different packs from different online stores, the Barney's from sensible seeds was still in unopened original packing. Potentially I think just about any seed from any sounce can wind up with traits like this. It is unusual, from what I understand, so pass the mutant trait to the next generation. My seeds from will probably Tripod will probably be as if they had come from any of my other stud Blackberries.

I'm gonna breed with her because she is the best example of her atrain anyway, so even if I don't get the gene for whorled phyllotaxy, I can hopefully get her vigor as a seedling and height and quite possibly strong smoke. We will see. If I am able to breed the two mutants together, I will (as 2 top G13 Haze hasn't shown sex yet). However, I am hoping they both go female. I think a NATURAL 2 cola female would be something to breed your strong males with. 2 colas naturally? Usually you ned to peform the operation of topping. That's like the difference to natural DDD's, and saleen implant DDD's! In both cases the natural is more desireable for

lol, out!

just genetics