And the noose continues to tighten..

Fogdog said:

So, forget paper money, in the eventuality of the kind of event that is forecast the rise in sea levels, an economic collapse is part of the scenario. Prices will depend on how much assets people have. Prices go down in depressions, which is exactly what will happen when the climate debt comes due because people will have less spending power. During the great depression or the Weimar meltdown, when paper money became worthless, people didn't turn to gold, they turned to bartering. Gold and land will actually decrease in value because people won't have the kind of assets that they do today. As you point out, some special pieces of real estate might become more valuable but not all land that isn't inundated will.

Land like @bluntmassa1 's which is far away from the sea and from the sound of it is not in a desirable location -- no insult intended but he isn't exactly living in a destination resort -- will decline in value because of a lack of buyers and a broken capital system. As a source of independently producing ones needs, it will be valuable to those that manage to keep it but how much butter and eggs can be used to buy land?

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Fogdog said:

Your land value would likely go down if sea levels rise as high as projected. Not to worry for you, you'll be dead long before it all happens.

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Fogdog said:

That's an interesting question. There has been quite a bit of obstruction in Congress to stop any action on climate change. Hillary, by the way was in the Senate for one term. Most of that time it was controlled by Republicans. Junior Senators from the minority party don't get the chance to implement big changes like that.

Are you aware that most Republicans subscribe to the idea that there is no global warming?

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bluntmassa1 said:

If they only have butter and eggs they going to be renting land not buying. Lol, their will be millions of people looking for a nice place to live the dollar won't up and die if Boston and NYC go under water it's not going to happen over night. Plus my land is worth some money as is someone even left a note on my door trying to buy it. I literally have the nicest spot in town and plenty water. As soon as FL starts losing beach front property and all everyone will be looking to move and if you have beach front property money ain't shit.

Not to mention people who don't have money/assets don't buy land they rent no payment well you are going to have to be my slave only we will call it bartering but you are going to work your ass off to rent a place on my land.

But many forms of payment gold, silver, tons of copper, guns. Precious metals will always have value because they ain't paper you don't have any? Well work for someone who has precious metals no dollar that's all that will work don't worry though we will have plenty of gold if the dollar dies Fort Knox will get robbed unless the government has a better solution I know their has been talk of a one world currency.

Property value will go up whether you have the money or not somebody else has the money you best believe. Many preppers with gold and silver and I can charge whatever I damn well please.

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Fogdog said:

Property value will go up? As in the Great Depression, when some banks stopped taking over property from bankrupted farmers because the prices of those farms wasn't worth the effort and they didn't wand to drive prices down farther? Prices cannot go up when people are out of jobs, work, assets, etc, prices go down. The term for this is deflation. Otherwise, I think we are in complete agreement.

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bluntmassa1 said:

Yes property value will go up, if you are a dumb ass and only saved money in a bank well the government will set up camps for you but you want to be a land owner when we lose so much land your ass is paying or I will not sell nor will anyone else. God ain't making anymore land China is but we ain't China we are lazy Americans. Lol

Whether I sell or farm I will make money people will work for food and shelter if somehow their is no money, but the dollar dies people will raid Fort Knox and all I will give 5 acres of land for my weight in gold or you can be my slave.

Land is the most valuable thing on earth you can't do a damn thing without it once we lose so much of it and NYC is under water. People will not want to live in a government camp but if they don't have anything they have no choice gold and silver sure I might sell you land but then again people will give gold and silver for food.

The great depression wasn't all that bad anyway a lot of our rich come from that time it's just the working men who got fucked. Working men that will work for me to feed and house their families instead of living in a government camp eating rice and beans.

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Fogdog said:

Do you know what happened to land value during the Great Depression?

Do you know what "land rich, money poor means?

Otherwise, I think you are right. People with enough land to satisfy basic needs are better off than those who don't.

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bluntmassa1 said:

We ain't talking about the Great Depression we are talking about mass flooding Jersey, Florida, etc. Lots of land going under water. They didn't have that problem during the depression.

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Fogdog said:

Lots of flooding but not Waterworld. Maybe 4 feet sea rise. What you envision, some sort of apocalypse, government collapse and chaos, probably not. Mass movement of displaced people might give you those slaves you seem to want.

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ttystikk said:

Google what percentage of the US population lives within 4-6' of sea level. It's an eyebrow raising number.

I don't want slaves. They're too much work.

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Fogdog said:

Me neither but the chump survivalist wannabe seemed to like to brag on about how great he'll have it. From his messages, he wants climate change to completely collapse civilization so he can live his fantasy. It got me thinking about the survivalists that I've known or talked to. They are all losers and kind of stupid. I think they'd be stupid losers in the apocalyptic world too. But BM loves to fantasize about being the plantation master. Free entertainment and nobody gets hurt for his dreams. Not for me but whatever floats your boat.

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fdd2blk said:

I know a survivalist guy who gets mad when he watches Naked and Afraid because they never teach you how to survive in the wild. Dude carries a gun everywhere he goes and is just dying for an apocalypse so he can shoot someone.

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Fogdog said:

Me neither but the chump survivalist wannabe seemed to like to brag on about how great he'll have it. From his messages, he wants climate change to completely collapse civilization so he can live his fantasy. It got me thinking about the survivalists that I've known or talked to. They are all losers and kind of stupid. I think they'd be stupid losers in the apocalyptic world too. But BM loves to fantasize about being the plantation master. Free entertainment and nobody gets hurt for his dreams. Not for me but whatever floats your boat.

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