UncleBuck
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obama said he was going to invest in renewable energy, got elected on that platform, and invested in renewable energy.
he was chosen over the other guy.
condolences.
Another feature of electric cars!!
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he was chosen over the other guy.
condolences.
Dr Kynes
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a fine point...
What have you done with the real buck??? is he duct taped in the trunk of your car?
BUCK KICK THE TRUNK LID!! SOMEBODY WILL HEAR YOU!!
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I'm thinking the correct (if esoteric) plural of Prius is Priora.
That notwithstanding, I see the San Francisco area as actually one of the great failures of public transport. I challenge you to take public transport from specified points in Pacifica to Milpitas and back in a reasonable time and for a reasonable price. The area is too geographically complex (and geologically unforgiving) to allow a real subway or light-rail system. Light rail to me means Viennese-style trolleys and not a secondary use for the freight rail system.
I liked Boston's T. It actually made not having a vehicle workable for the year that i was there. But I was also a prisoner in the area as far as more extensive trips are concerned.
DC area (not just the center.) I also count as unserviceable by public transport. Too many non-penetrated enclaves. Too coarse a station grid. The nearest station to where I grew up is four miles away from the house. It didn't even exist when i lived there.
Just out of curiosity ... those duallies are expensive. Which hypereconomy smartcar do you have in mind as pricier? cn
Dr Kynes
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SF has a better public transit system than LA sacramento or in fact ANY city in the western US. it still sucks and contaiins 30% bum urine by volume, but its better than the rest in the west.
DC has a great public transit system if your a tourist or you live in the urban center or the outlying suburbs of virginia or maryland. the enclaves are generally serviced by limosines and car services, or the secret congressional subway system.
http://www.smartcentersacramento.com/new/2013/smart/fortwo-passion-cabriolet/2013-smart-fortwo-passion-cabriolet-sacramento-for-sale-wmeek3ba5dk595205 ($19k and change)
VS
http://www.truckpaper.com/listingsdetail/detail.aspx?OHID=3854299 ($11k)
and only one can haul 12 tons of barley to the brewery.
ChesusRice
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You dont need a car to get around Boston. Best public transportation system I have ever encountered
Canna Sylvan
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HD-DVD wouldn't have sold those players and discs in major stores, plus the trillion dollar worth company Microsoft invest if it's just a phase. These things take time. So go buy those more efficient motherfuckers now! Fuck blu-ray.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
And yet my old house is four miles from a station, and it's in Potomac.
Oh no. You didn't. But you did. You posted a brand-new convertible against a grizzled ten-wheeler (not a duallie btw) that coulda been buddies with Mater.
Should you choose to redeem yourself, you need to price a duallie (as the pickup folks use the term) that's brand-new AND a cabriolet! Go forth now and make me proud. cn
<edit> "dually". That's the spelling that'll get results.
DelSlow
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What about bio-fuels? I saw something a couple years back about a guy who would go around and collect used cooking oil from fast food restaurants (for free) and turn it into diesel. He said the best part was that his exhaust smelled like french fries lol
Surely there are people who can make this happen
I don't think being an energy independent nation has a one-size-fits-all solution. We have oil, natural gas, coal, solar, wind, nuclear, etc. Use what oil, coal, and natural gas we have now and start building the infrastructure for solar, wind, etc.
But I don't think that we, as a species, can ever be 100% green. Even if you have solar panels, windmills, etc. all of these were made in some kind of factory. If you have appliances, cars, cell phones, etc. you're definitely not helping the environment (myself included). We need to stop over-politicizing this issue and get the ball rolling or we'll end up in the dark
Surely there are people who can make this happen
I don't think being an energy independent nation has a one-size-fits-all solution. We have oil, natural gas, coal, solar, wind, nuclear, etc. Use what oil, coal, and natural gas we have now and start building the infrastructure for solar, wind, etc.
But I don't think that we, as a species, can ever be 100% green. Even if you have solar panels, windmills, etc. all of these were made in some kind of factory. If you have appliances, cars, cell phones, etc. you're definitely not helping the environment (myself included). We need to stop over-politicizing this issue and get the ball rolling or we'll end up in the dark
Carne Seca
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A brand new Dodge Ram dually runs around 40,000 dollars (basic package).And yet my old house is four miles from a station, and it's in Potomac.
Oh no. You didn't. But you did. You posted a brand-new convertible against a grizzled ten-wheeler (not a duallie btw) that coulda been buddies with Mater.
Should you choose to redeem yourself, you need to price a duallie (as the pickup folks use the term) that's brand-new AND a cabriolet! Go forth now and make me proud. cn
<edit> "dually". That's the spelling that'll get results.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
You can buy the kits to do itWhat about bio-fuels? I saw something a couple years back about a guy who would go around and collect used cooking oil from fast food restaurants (for free) and turn it into diesel. He said the best part was that his exhaust smelled like french fries lol
Surely there are people who can make this happen
I don't think being an energy independent nation has a one-size-fits-all solution. We have oil, natural gas, coal, solar, wind, nuclear, etc. Use what oil, coal, and natural gas we have now and start building the infrastructure for solar, wind, etc.
But I don't think that we, as a species, can ever be 100% green. Even if you have solar panels, windmills, etc. all of these were made in some kind of factory. If you have appliances, cars, cell phones, etc. you're definitely not helping the environment (myself included). We need to stop over-politicizing this issue and get the ball rolling or we'll end up in the dark
But there is only so much used cooking oil
DelSlow
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Very true 6789
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I found a Dodge Ram dually (six-speed, Cummins) for $35k just minutes ago. I think that's the cheapest. However the Quartzsite set will probably pile on the options (crew cab, auto tranny, nice interior etc.) and can cross $60k without wrinkling a Depends. cn
Dr Kynes
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http://www.nissanusa.com/leaf-electric-car/index "as low as $27,700 (after federal subsidy, $35k without)And yet my old house is four miles from a station, and it's in Potomac.
Oh no. You didn't. But you did. You posted a brand-new convertible against a grizzled ten-wheeler (not a duallie btw) that coulda been buddies with Mater.
Should you choose to redeem yourself, you need to price a duallie (as the pickup folks use the term) that's brand-new AND a cabriolet! Go forth now and make me proud. cn
<edit> "dually". That's the spelling that'll get results.
http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-350-super-duty/2012/options.html?sub=crew-cab (msrp $33k with a crew cab, no subsidies, not even a bailout cuz its a ford.)
DelSlow
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Another thing, why do electric/hybrid cars look.....meh?
I mean, the only decent looking electric car I've seen is the Tesla but that's $100k+ A little out of my price range.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Two cavils.
1) Is an electric a smartcar?
2) I could not spot the cabriolet on that page. You committed to it with your previous choice, and so sorry but no do-overs.
cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Because the drivetrain is bloody heavy. So they lightened and size-reduced the whole rest of the car. The Tesla shows what one can do if one works very hard to duplicate the Miata in electric ... for 4x the price and 1/4 the range. cn
Dr Kynes
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grumble grumble...Two cavils.
1) Is an electric a smartcar?
2) I could not spot the cabriolet on that page. You committed to it with your previous choice, and so sorry but no do-overs.
how about a mini?
http://www.niellomini.com/VehicleDetails/new-2012-MINI-Cooper_S_Hardtop--SACRAMENTO-CA/1747540693 ($52k)
Dr Kynes
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curiously it's not the transformers, power distribution box or the electric motors, its the goddamned batteries.
even with fuel cells they weigh a bitch fucking ton (plus they explode at random intervals)
the new lithium ion battery tech MIGHT make electric cars less crappy in the future, but they certainly wont be getting cheaper any time soon.
look how much a new laptop battery costs, now multiply that by like 400x. and you have to replace the bastards every 2-5 years.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That's the Goodwood, no? It's a Rolls-Alittle. cn
ChesusRice
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Nanotechonology has the answers for battery storage
No it wont get cheap anytime soon
But then again our 55 inch flat screen cost 10000 10 years ago
and was just over a thousand when we bought it 2 years ago