Another Federal Crime by the (I) bush regime

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/06/18/BL2008061801546.html?hpid=opinionsbox1General Accuses WH of War Crimes
The two-star general who led an Army investigation into the horrific detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib has accused the Bush administration of war crimes and is calling for accountability. In his 2004 report on Abu Ghraib, then-Major General Anthony Taguba concluded that "numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees." He called the abuse "systemic and illegal." And, as Seymour M. Hersh reported in the New Yorker, he was rewarded for his honesty by being forced into retirement.

Sad he's going to get away with it, as well as his administration.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/18/gen-taguba-on-torture-there-is-no-longer-any-doubt-that-the-current-administration-committed-war-crimes/Gen. Taguba on torture: ‘there is no longer any doubt that the current administration committed war crimes.’


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When General Taguba talks about this issue will the media listen? Remember when Sy Hersh reported that the General was one of the casualties of the Abu Ghraib?When we first started talking about torture on C&L and much of the liberal blogoshere we were called anti-American, traitors, unpatriotic and the like. The White House and their media enablers like the Bill O’Reilly’s proclaimed that Abu Ghraib was only a few bad apples. Nothing to see hear so move along little sheep. Well, the evidence is flooding in that refutes this nonsense and now I’d like to ask them something. Who is the traitor to America? Who has been unpatriotic?


I’d like all those that went out of their way to attack us to come out and apologize to us, our country, our soldiers and the victims of this abuse known as torture. Barbara Starr gave this report on CNN. There should be numerous investigations for war crimes on Bush Co. and everyone involved. The sooner the better. (rough transcript below the fold)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article20118.htmLaw School to Plan Bush War Crimes Prosecution
A conference to plan the prosecution of President Bush and other high administration officials for war crimes will be held September 13-14 at the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover .

"This is not intended to be a mere discussion of violations of law that have occurred," said convener Lawrence Velvel, dean and cofounder of the school. "It is, rather, intended to be a planning conference at which plans will be laid and necessary organizational structures set up, to pursue the guilty as long as necessary and, if need be, to the ends of the Earth."

I like the sound of that ...

GrowRebel said:

Law School to Plan Bush War Crimes Prosecution
A conference to plan the prosecution of President Bush and other high administration officials for war crimes will be held September 13-14 at the Massachusetts School of Law at Andover .

"This is not intended to be a mere discussion of violations of law that have occurred," said convener Lawrence Velvel, dean and cofounder of the school. "It is, rather, intended to be a planning conference at which plans will be laid and necessary organizational structures set up, to pursue the guilty as long as necessary and, if need be, to the ends of the Earth."

I like the sound of that ...

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Noble, this just may work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/washington/06cnd-leak.html?_r=2&emc=eta1&oref=slogin&oref=sloginFLASHBACK: In Court Filings, Cheney Aide Says Bush Approved Leak
President Bush authorized Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003 to permit Mr. Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr., to leak key portions of a classified prewar intelligence estimate on Iraq, according to Mr. Libby's grand jury testimony.

Just more for the endless record and reports of war crimes committed by this illegitimate regime ... notice none of the dumbass bushies have post links or sources to counter the list of crimes I have recorded on this thread ...

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http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0826,the-w-stands-for,478462,4.html/fullThe 'W.' Stands for 'War Criminal'
In a June 6 letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey--largely ignored by a press immersed in the future of Hillary Clinton--56 Democrats in the House of Representatives asked for "an immediate investigation with the appointment of a special counsel to determine whether actions taken by the President, his Cabinet, and other Administration officials are in violation of the War Crimes Act (18 U.S.C. 2441) . . . and other U.S. and international laws." This isn't front-page news?

This isn't front page news because the servile corporate media enablers of this administration refuse to cover it, pure and simple. MR

Notice kids at home there is not one challenge from the dummy bushies on these reports ... in this very long thread ... of war crimes committed by this illegitimate regime ....

The record of their crimes is irrefutable ...

Just posting to break the monotony. Continue..............

I know you are but what am I...........

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/29/late-edition-sy-hersh-says-attacks-on-iran-happening-now/Late Edition: Sy Hersh Says Attacks On Iran Happening Now



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Guest host Candy Crowley brings on Iraq Ambassador Ryan Crocker to officially deny that any cross border operations have taken place, but Hersh points out that Crocker may not be in the loop–plausible deniability being the operative word. Full transcripts below the fold:

CROWLEY: While the Bush administration has been emphasizing tough diplomacy with Iran, it’s also been escalating covert U.S. military actions against the country. That’s according to investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, who reveals the details in a new article for the New Yorker magazine, titled “Preparing the Battlefield.” He joins us now.
That sounds a little ominous. Let me ask you first, if you — what is the headline that readers will take away from this article?
HERSH: Well, one of the basic points is that, no matter what we say about diplomacy, you know, carrot and stick, the stick is working pretty hard and the stick is working overtime. This president did escalate the covert war, the secret war inside Iran.
We’ve been doing stuff inside Iran since ‘05 pretty much, pretty heavily, you know, looking at the nuclear facilities, collecting intelligence, trying to undermine the regime, et cetera, et cetera.
But there was a significant escalation this year. First of all, they got a great deal of authorization to spend up to $400 million. That doesn’t mean he’s spent it all yet, but he’s got that kind of authorization from one of the secret committees.
Anybody who saw “Charlie Wilson’s War” — you know, Charlie Wilson was able to generate a lot of money secretly. That’s what happens in Congress.
And the other major thing is, we’ve sent in a special task force that operates out of Afghanistan into Iran. I give notice what Ambassador Crocker said about not cross-border. And I have a lot of respect for him and I don’t want to challenge him. But the fact is, we’re inside; we’re not necessary cross-border. We have teams inside Iran.
And these include joint special operation forces, our most elite commando unit. And basically, they’re guys that go after high-value targets around the world. You know, they capture them or kill them.
So it’s a significant increase in American potential for damage inside Iran.
CROWLEY: I do want to let our audience hear from Ambassador Crocker, and then I want to ask you the difference between what he’s denying and what you’re saying. Here he is.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CROCKER: I haven’t read the article, Candy, but I can tell you flatly that U.S. forces are not operating across the Iraqi border into Iran, in the south or anywhere else.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CROWLEY: So they’re not — I mean, is he denying something you didn’t say? I can’t quite get the difference here.
HERSH: Well, you know, it’s complicated. Because one of the things in the article — it’s a long article in the New Yorker — one of the things I described is that one of the problems Admiral Fallon, the former commander of CENTCOM, who ran into trouble because he spoke about not wanting to bomb Iran.
Another factor in Fallon’s problems with the White House, particularly with Mr. Cheney, the vice president, was that Fallon wasn’t able to learn what was going on, all he wanted to know, about covert operations, CIA operations inside Iran and Afghanistan.
That is simply a reality, that when you run secret operations, if you’re not telling the commander, the military commander of the Central Command, who is supposedly running the country — you may not tell the ambassador everything. Sometimes it’s better not to have the ambassador know.
But the other point is, we certainly are going cross-border, on short forays, grabbing Al Quds members, bringing them back. We’ve been doing that for a long time.
He may not know the extent to which we’re operating deeply with commandos or — not so much — with our special forces inside Iran. So it’s possible. Because he’s not somebody — he’ll spin it, but he’s not somebody who won’t say something he doesn’t believe.
CROWLEY: So what’s the end game here? What are they trying to accomplish?
Is it to end the war in Iraq?
Is it to overturn the government in Iran?
Is it greasing the skids for a preemptive strike?
What are they doing there?
HERSH: That’s a great question because I don’t know. And, boy, do I wish — I’ve been writing about Iran for about three years, almost constantly, in the New Yorker, sort of, this, you know, “Chicken Little, the sky is falling.” And I sure wish I could be wrong about it.
But the end game is, as far as — and I do have some access into some of the thinking, particularly in the vice president’s office. They do not want — Bush and Cheney do not want to leave Iran in place with a nuclear program, with, they believe, a nuclear weapons program. They simply don’t believe the national intelligence estimate that came out late last year that said they haven’t done anything in nuclear weapons since ‘03. They just don’t believe it.
So they believe that their mission is to make sure that, before they get out of office next year, either Iran is attacked or it stops its weapons program.
I do believe that. I think this is another example of putting an awful lot of pressure on the Iranian government. There’s been a dramatic increase in kinetic events and chaos inside of Iran. Almost every other day, there’s another story in the Iranian press — I write about this in the article, too — about things blowing up, et cetera, et cetera.
It looks like things are falling apart, a little bit. And the central government certainly has more trouble.
And I think the goal of this operation, this incredible operation, with all this money — and, by the way, it’s the Democrats in Congress who basically looked the other way and said, take the money and run. They did not stop this money, the leadership that I’m talking about, the Democratic leadership.
So, basically, my guess is that — I don’t think we can safely say that any military action is off the table, no matter what happens. And that’s — as I say, I wish I’m going to be wrong about all that, but this is really, sort of, an amazing development.
CROWLEY: Absolutely. I want to read a graph out of your book because it goes to the oversight of the Democrats you just mentioned.
HERSH: Sure.
CROWLEY: This is from your book — sorry — from your article.
“‘The oversight process has not kept pace — it’s been co-opted by the administration,’ the person familiar with the contents of the findings said. ‘The process is broken and this is dangerous stuff we’re authorizing.’”
Tell me, first, what your sources say is so dangerous about this?
HERSH: The president has to give a finding on covert action, any action that’s covert. In other words, when CIA goes in some place, if they get caught, there could be spies.
So he has to tell the Congress about it. And the military simply is — the president, since 9/11, has decided anything we do militarily, we don’t have to tell anybody in Congress about. That’s all preparing the battlefield. That’s the title of the piece.
And so what Congress gets told is something about CIA operations, and that’s why they had a finding, but nothing about what the military is doing on the ground inside Iran.
And so the people in the Senate — the House, particularly, the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, Charlie Wilson’s old subcommittee, we’re talking about Congressman Obey, Congressman Murtha, some of the others are really concerned because they’re approving programs about which they don’t have the whole story, and they know it. And they don’t know what to do about it. And it’s a source of enormous tension.
The problem is it’s also secret. Nobody wants to talk about it. Nobody can talk about it. It’s a world that the White House controls because it’s very top secret. The presidential finding that I’m writing about is a document you don’t discuss on CNN. If you’re the ambassador, you don’t talk about it.
I understand Senator McConnell was here. And the senators are able to say — those who know can say, “I can’t talk about it.”
So we in the public don’t get much of a look. And for me, as a journalist, to write about this is difficult because, often, a lot of other journalists won’t be able to make heads or tails of what I’m doing, because they can’t simply find the people that will talk about.
CROWLEY: Right, absolutely.
I’ve got about 15 seconds. Can you give me, in a nutshell, why it’s so dangerous?
Is it because it could prompt a war with Iran if they were to find these special-ops people?
HERSH: We have the special operations people, and they’re great people. They’re very loyal soldiers. They do what they’re told, going around, killing people around the world without ambassadors knowing it, without the CIA station chiefs knowing it, without Congress knowing.
If that doesn’t sound like — you know, with this president, if that doesn’t make people nervous, I don’t know what else would, I can just tell you.
CROWLEY: Seymour Hersh, another blockbuster story, the New Yorker.
Thank you so much. You all ought to go out and get a copy. We will be right back.


It's pretty clear that the dim leadership ... if you can call it that ... needs to go ... we really need to get rid of these assholes and get some fresh dems in congress who will do their job of upholding the constitution ...

Of course the dummy bushies will ignore the FACTS and EVIDENCE of war crimes ... they can't dispute it so they might as well ignore it ... what else can they do ...

http://physiciansforhumanrights.org/library/news-2008-06-18.html?log-event=sp2f-view-item&nid=35600285Medical Evidence Supports Detainees' Accounts of Torture in US Custody

Physicians for Human Rights (PHR) has published a landmark report documenting medical evidence of torture and ill-treatment inflicted on 11 men detained at US facilities in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantánamo Bay, who were never charged with any crime. The physical and psychological evaluation of the detainees and documentation of the crimes are based on internationally accepted standards for clinical assessment of torture claims. The report also details the severe physical and psychological pain and long-term disability that has resulted from abusive and unlawful US interrogation practices.

First of all I have been a long time lurker on the politics forum and love reading everyones posts here. Also The shear fact that we have people interested enough to inform themselves about current events and take a active roll as citizens returns a lot of hope I had lost in the people of this fine country.

Grow rebel, I want to tank you for linking all these news articles and videos. Most of my problems with the arguments people have about politics is that we don't bother to back up our feelings on a issue with facts (not to say you should believe everything you hear or read).

I think the largest issue with our political system is that we have two parties or factions that try to create a schism in our populous. My views are all over the political spectrum and neither side really sums up my beliefs to any degree. I am beholden to neither and despise the labels used to make us fight each other instead of the corrupt federal machine. Neo con, Liberal, Libertarian, Socialist(Commie?),or terrorist, are all just ways to stuff an argument you don't like under the rug and discount it without any cognitive thought.

Dorjan ... when I tell the nutty bushies about our viewing audience at home they like to think I just want to feel important ... but you are a clear example of the "viewing audience" that I speak to ... I know there is no hope for these followers of war criminals ... they are going to always make excuses for them ... some actually believe these war criminals are protecting them and their interests ... now that's rich!

But it is for folks like you that I do this ... you can come to this thread and find any amount of supporting evidence that the illegitimate bush regime are war criminals ... they will do all they can to maintain power ... they have no regard for human life and liberty ... except their own ... I am amazed how easily they fool the bushies on this forum ... put it like PT Barunm said ... "there's a sucker born every minute" ... and they proof that theory as fact ...

Now Dorjan ... and the rest of our viewing audience at home ... more evidence that the illegitimate bush regime are war criminal ... more to the mountain of evidence I might add ... I have some breaking new for my impeachment thread as well so look for it ...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/12/international-committee-of-red-cross-says-bush-administration-guilty-of-war-crimes/International Committee of Red Cross Says Bush Administration Guilty of War Crimes

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It’s something that has certainly been spoken of within the liberal blogosphere. I’ve seen the random bumpersticker or freeway blogger suggest it as well, but it is no longer something that can be written off as a partisan or extremist view. As Countdown guest host Rachel Maddow and George Washington University Law Professor Jonathan Turley discuss on Friday, the International Committee of the Red Cross sent a report last year to the CIA saying that the treatment of detainees at Guantanamo was unquestionably torture and the Bush administration officials that approved the treatment are war criminals. This is more evidence ... and like Maddow said ... it's not a question of whether or not they committed war crimes ... it's now a question of whether or not they will be held accoutable .... Folks at the end of this video listen to what the constitutional lawyer Turley had to say ... it's very important ...

... I think I may have more war crimes news it's been a few days since I have been able to post ... if I do ... you will see it ...

I say we hang Bush, Dick Cheney and all of their cronies.

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