bluntmassa1
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That's racist!! I always say " want to fuck again?"
Another mass shooting by a muslim, walmart in texas.
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bluntmassa1
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Most of them dead civilians are at the hand of Muslims. Dumb dumb.
bluntmassa1
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Them black snipers where mentally ill not terrorists.
abandonconflict
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What's your excuse?
bluntmassa1
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I'm a mongrel.
ThickStemz
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I'm not a Fucking Christian.What did the western world look like in 1400AD? Islam is 600 years older than Christianity and the west underwent the renaissance and the enlightenment centuries after Christianity had been widely adopted, so there was a good 15 centuries of nothing but violence.
If it's a false equivalency to compare Islam with Christianity, then why are you comparing Islam with Christianity? What don't you get about the fact that it's not the flavor of bullshit you're drinking, it's the drink itself that's the problem, and until people stop drinking it in every flavor, shit like this will continue to happen.
If we were having this conversation in 1650, with Christians burning people at the stake this would be a whole different conversation.
We live in an era when secular humanist morals dominate in the land that was once "Christendom" and the Christian faith has been neutered to the point it is just a shell of itself. Hitchens again makes this point that by 1919 the Christian empires of the world had out crusaded themselves and political Christianity was stamped out. It is recent enough where vigalence is required to maintain our progress, but they don't have the power and credibility they once did.
The age of the religion doesn't matter. The same has happend to Mormonism and it is only 150ish years old.
Any ideology like this can inspire barbarism. Islam is just much more capable of inspiring it. For you to deny this requires an ignorance of history that is quite amazing. Islam is responsible for the most violent 1400 year stretch of violence in world history. The crusaded were a counter offensive, and the only time the west did the same thing the Muslims were doing. The centuries prior to and following the crusades Muslim armies were only invading Europe. I suppose you'd never heard of the battles for Vienna. Charles the Hammer Martel, and heaven forbid you look at what they have done on their eastern flank with the Hindus.
Cannacat
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Says who? They were there first, shouldn't their rules have applied? So the people that lived on the land told the outsiders that the Earth is a living thing in its own right so no man can own it, and you can justify how those outsiders chose to interpret that? Wow.
Rob Roy
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When people blindly seek protection for their fellow slaves, based solely on the fact they are slaves on the same plantation, it replaces common sense with a sense of instilled slavish sentimentality for "team". It is a common tactic for controllers / masters to use on their human livestock.
Wouldn't it be better if people aligned with other people based on a shared sense of ethics rather than on the basis of being cage mates on a tax farm?
abandonconflict
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Well try not to shoot up your school during your freshman year.
UncleBuck
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iraq invaded themselves and killed their own citizens?
the power of an 8th grade education.
UncleBuck
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you were when you used to post as bignbushy.
ThickStemz
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Dude,
May satan, if he exists, come into my soul and demonstrate to the world his demonic power at the expense of my eternal soul...
I am not now, nor have I ever been a Christian. I was raised as one, but it never took.
There goes your bigbush theory.
Kalonji
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Lol your posts are a shit show. Posturing as if you've been educated but speaking like a ape.
ThickStemz
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Speaking of sockpuppets
mr sunshine
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Is that the kkk,s new slogan?
Padawanbater2
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It doesn't matter if you're a Christian or not, you're giving Christianity a pass because it's the dominant religion of the western world and you happen to have been born into a society dominated by it, even though it's been brutally violent throughout the majority of its history. The "us" v. "them" mentality cited in the previous post in action.
but..
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Compare Christianity before the enlightenment and modern Islam and see how they stack up. To be clear, nobody is defending Islam. Like I said before, the flavor of the drink (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.) isn't the problem, it's the drink itself (organized religion), the deeply held religious belief that every religion requires of its followers that they are God's 'chosen people', that they are somehow special as ordained by God himself and that their belief in him grants them moral authority. Christians, Jews and Muslims across the world are infected with this - they all believe they are right, and all of them have a holy book that's centuries old to prove it. It's all circular logic that devolves into bullshit when examined, but not to any of them.
Mormonism originated out of post-enlightenment western society
You're delusional.
70% of Americans claim to be Christian and the overwhelming majority of elected American government officials are Christian. Christians make up ranking members of important committees that deal with things that conflict with their religious beliefs that affect every single American in the US. They've even used Christianity to justify taking no action against climate change, argue against abortion, homosexuality and gay marriage, and in support of the war on drugs.
See, here you are defending the atrocities of Christianity again. Let's recap;
Thirty Years War
French Wars of Religion
Second Sudanese Civil War
Crusades
Lebanese Civil War
Spanish Conquests of the West Indies, Mexico and South America
The Ku Klux Klan
The Inquisition
Support for Slavery
The condemnation of science and scientists
etc.
So I'd say they're all equally as capable of inspiring barbarism. Why don't you just condemn them both as they've both clearly led to the untimely death of millions of people? You say you're an atheist, so why the constant kid gloves when it comes to criticizing Christianity and holding Christians accountable for things today that affect every American regardless of whether or not they believe in Christianity?
ThickStemz
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There seem to be at least two things going on here.
You seem to think a religions age is somehow determine to how violent it is. As if it has stages to go through. While there might be parallels you can draw you basically debunk this with your own claim about how Mormonism was born post enlightenment.
Second, we seem to mean different things when we talk about what Christianity is or what Islam is.
I can't make any comparison to the Christians today and the Christians from the 1600s. Why? Because the societies they have lived in are so different.
There was a period of time when Islam was very enlightened and interested in learning and advancement.
Those times are gone.
Christianity has gone through many epochs too. But it has lost so much power because of the textual criticism of its holy books, the same book that inspired Europe to burn witches today inspires soccer moms to get pissed when the teacher talks about evolution.
No where on Earth right now to my knowledge are there large groups of Christians wanting to kill people for lifestyle choices.
In living memory, Christians have fought each other over what type of Christian they were, but these aren't purely religious divisions.
Man, if you can't see that modern Islam and modern Christianity present two entirely different types of problems you're blind.
If you ask me, could the bible or the quoran both inspire violence at about an equal rate. I say yes. But Christianity isnt just the book and neither is Islam. They're also the societies in which they live.
They evolve through time. Right now, Christians aren't committing atrocious acts en mass. Even in recent flareups like northern Ireland, the worst days there were a calm day in Syria today.
Christianity and Islam neither exist in a vacuum. They have to be examined in the societies they live in.
UncleBuck
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how would you describe the half a million dead iraqi civilians?