Another Republican President, Another Recession.

hanimmal

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recent history is unprecedented and is affecting the entire world the same as us.
And does nothing to change the fact that Trump's first three years (before the pandemic) was not as good as Obama's last three years economically in every category.

Trump's temper tantrums were, and still are, bad for our economy.
 

Wattzzup

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recent history is unprecedented and is affecting the entire world the same as us.
Here’s some not so recent history. Republicans are failures with money.

Economies under GOP presidents
Real GDP growth, a measure of economic activity in the U.S., averaged 3.33% during the 64 years and 16 presidential terms going back to the mid-1940s, according to a 2013 research paper by professors of economics Alan Blinder and Mark Watson at Princeton University. With a Republican in the White House, though, the economy's growth slowed to 2.54%, the economists found. With a Democrat in office, growth jumped to 4.35% on average.
 

hanimmal

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More than two dozen federal stimulus programs crafted to help cash-strapped workers and businesses weather the coronavirus pandemic are set to expire in a matter of weeks, adding urgency to congressional negotiations over a new $908 billion relief package that might help break months of political deadlock.

Without the new aid, the end of a series of key stimulus programs threatens to push the country closer to the financial cliff. Millions of Americans are set to lose unemployment benefits, access to paid sick leave and protections against evictions. Businesses no longer may be able to count on a handful of key tax credits to help their bottom lines, and state and local governments run the risk of having to return millions of dollars they had hoped to spend on the public-health crisis and the financial carnage it has wrought.

“If we let things that are going to expire [actually] expire in December, you are truly going to have widespread hardship,” warned Maya MacGuineas, the president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, which estimated 25 aid programs from Congress and the White House are set to expire without Washington action. That’s on top of a slew of other annual tax and spending provisions that still have not been renewed in 2020.

“All the bad things we were worried would happen — but were successfully addressed in the first round of bills — could hit at once,” she said. “It would be blatant neglect to allow all these things to expire.”


The looming deadlines have grown all the more pressing amid fresh signs that the U.S. economy is backsliding as the pandemic continues to worsen. The country added only 245,000 jobs in November, according to new federal data released Friday, marking the slowest month of growth since the recovery started this summer. The dour figures arrived as states including California started instituting new restrictions on businesses and public gatherings last week amid a meteoric rise in coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and deaths.

The new decline has galvanized Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill in recent days, resulting in the first major bipartisan stimulus compromise in months. The new $908 billion package outlined in the Senate includes some of Democrats’ long-sought priorities, including enhanced unemployment aid and a fresh injection of cash for cities and states that are suffering financially. It also puts new money behind Republicans’ push to bolster small businesses’ bottom lines and protect a wide array of corporate entities from coronavirus-related lawsuits.

The bipartisan deal has managed to unite the two parties in rare, early accord. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) spoke about the matter last week, and McConnell exited the conversation expressing a belief that both sides are “interested in getting an outcome” — though he has also proposed a more scaled-back stimulus plan of his own.
President-elect Joe Biden also has encouraged lawmakers to broker the deal, stressing in a speech Friday that the “future will be very bleak” unless Congress acts swiftly.

What’s in the $908 billion economic relief proposal

As the talks have progressed, a wide array of groups representing restaurants, retailers, airlines, hotels and local governments lent their voices to the last-minute push. Roughly 300 associations — belonging to the Covid Relief Now Coalition — wrote Congress on Friday to call on them to adopt a compromise before the end of the year and build on their progress later, warning the economic consequences of continued inaction could be vast.

“Our country can’t wait until 2021,” they wrote.


The economy’s recent contraction has presented the greatest risks to an estimated 12 million Americanswho stand to lose their unemployment benefits before the end of the month if Congress does not act.

The government’s $2 trillion stimulus plan, the Cares Act, greatly boosted jobless assistance: It authorized an extra 13 weeks of aid, increased federal funding for benefits, and offered new help to millions of Americans who drive for Uber, deliver for Grubhub or work for other so-called “gig economy” companies. Without a new stimulus bill, though, some workers are set to run out the clock on their unemployment insurance before they are able to return to the workforce at a time when hiring may be slowing.

Many Americans who have been out of a job for months are set to receive their last checks for the week ending a day after Christmas, according to Michele Evermore, a senior policy analyst at the National Employment Law Project, which advocates for workers’ rights.

The expiration of that aid threatens to reverberate throughout the economy. “People don’t fully comprehend how somebody else’s pain is going to affect them,” she said. “It’s not just 12 million people losing benefits; it’s what those 12 million people would have done with those benefits. It’s the landlords not getting rent. It’s the financial services companies not getting mortgages and car payments. Belt tightening is real.”

Six days after the aid expires, millions of Americans could face an additional economic blow: Federal protections against evictions are set to expire as well. The Trump administration announced the moratorium in September, arguing that removing renters from their homes threatened to force families into unsafe, cramped living conditions, contributing to the spread of the coronavirus. But the government’s order — enacted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — is slated to end after Dec. 31.

Entering January, renters may owe “anywhere between $30 billion and $70 billion in back rent and have no ability to pay,” said Diane Yentel, the president of the National Low Income Housing Coalition. She said that an estimated 30-to-40 million people, in 17 million households, could soon face the threat of eviction.

Some landlords initiated eviction proceedings against their tenants even while the CDC order was in place, seeking to capitalize on the Trump administration’s confusing policy and a wave of lawsuits filed by organizations representing owners. The result could be a swift opening of the spigot starting in a matter of weeks, as landlords file a new wave of evictions or seek to enforce the proceedings that already have been started.

“The only thing that remains between the renter and being kicked out on the streets is expiring on December 31,” Yentel said.

Landlords, lobbyists launch legal war against Trump’s eviction moratorium, aiming to unwind renter protections
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Businesses, meanwhile, could lose access to employee-retention credits and other tax benefits at the end of December, months after the Paycheck Protection Program, totaling billions of dollars in forgivable federal loans, ran its course. The aid helped protect businesses’ bottom lines after many closed or limited their operations as a result of the coronavirus, cutting into their revenue and forcing them to slash their workforce.

Cities and states are set to face their own cash crunch, as a $150 billion program that covers coronavirus-related expenses is set to lapse at the end of the month. Any dollars they don’t spend — including those that aid workers, renters, businesses and even doctors and testing sites — must be returned to the U.S. Treasury even if they have a use for the funds. Many governors have called on Washington to extend the deadline.

“It’s going to be a pretty big transition point at the end of the year,” said Garrett Watson, a senior policy analyst for the Tax Foundation, “given the sheer scope of what the Cares Act was doing for individuals and businesses beginning in the spring.”
 

hanimmal

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Wasn't Eisenhower a Republican.
Everyone pre-civil rights era was not really representative of today's Democratic party, so I just keep to 70's onward. There is only one party legislating for 100% of our national population, which is why their economic policies are far better for the economy.

But yes, he was a Republican.
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schuylaar

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I love these lists, they are basically nonsense mixed in with some random facts that ignore recent history.

Obama's last three years were better than Trump's first 3 economically.

And it is not a shocker that the further we get away from the racist suppression of minority and women late last millennia that their UE rates would be steadily decreasing. I also wonder how that trend has held up the last year.

Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem for absolutely nothing in return was a garbage business move by Trump.

Nancy had to to do the heavy lifting of fixing the mess of the new-NAFTA trade agreement that Trump was too sloppy to do.

Those tariffs you listed actually cost our economy about $1.4 trillion.

China trade deal (after hammering our farmers and raising taxes on our citizens) got us back to less than we would have been if we had our allies in the region backing our play, when Trump shortsightedly pulled us from the trade deal.

And that is just a sampling of your ridiculous cut and pasted list. If you want to discuss anything particular on it I am all in.

Nice to meet you.
give Trump a break- he needs to play golf once in a while.
 

Mr_X

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Remember when we thought Bush's tax cut and security spending was a good idea, then the national debt increased? Yeah. I think its happening again.
 

schuylaar

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Remember when we thought Bush's tax cut and security spending was a good idea, then the national debt increased? Yeah. I think its happening again.
i remember seeing the back of the limo and his arm throwing a match out to the Molotov Cocktail that was our country.
 

hanimmal

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Politicians screw people, I'm an old fogey now, "Every nation gets the government it deserves." Is I suppose a cop out for lazy People, but unfortunately people vote these idiots in.

I have a less 'whoa is me' approach to politics. I think politicians are too often human and don't actually understand how their decisions will impact others. Some are all about screwing people though I am not naive to that, but mostly it is just good intentions and narrow understanding of the consequences that cause the most pain (until they try to cover it up and that is when it gets really bad).
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-lawsuits-mitch-mcconnell-coronavirus-pandemic-d01821f5f58445f136e9aa46a662d641
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WASHINGTON (AP) — An emerging $900 billion COVID-19 aid package from a bipartisan group of lawmakers has all but collapsed after Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Republican senators won’t support $160 billion in state and local funds as part of a potential trade-off in the deal.

McConnell’s staff conveyed to top negotiators Thursday that the GOP leader sees no path to an agreement on a key aspect of the lawmakers’ existing proposal — a slimmed-down version of the liability shield he is seeking for companies and organizations facing potential COVID-19 lawsuits — in exchange for the state and local funds that Democrats want.

The GOP leader criticized “controversial state bailouts” during a speech in the Senate, as he insists on a more targeted aid package.

The hardened stance from McConnell, who does not appear to have enough votes from his Republican majority for a far-reaching compromise, creates a new stalemate over the $900-billion-plus package, despite days of toiling by a bipartisan group of lawmakers to strike compromise.

Other legislative pile-ups now threaten Friday’s related business — a must-pass government funding bill. If it doesn’t clear Congress, that would trigger a federal government shutdown on Saturday.

McConnell’s staff conveyed to other negotiators it’s “unlikely” the trade-off proposed by the bipartisan group would be acceptable, as COVID aid talks continue, according to a person granted anonymity to discuss the talks. A senior Democrat first shared the Republican leader’s views after being granted anonymity to discuss the private conversations, which were first reported by Politico.

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Deadlines, real and perceived, haven’t been sufficient to drive Washington’s factions to an agreement, despite the U.S. breaking a record-high 3,000 daily COVID fatalities, and hospitals straining at capacity from soaring caseloads nationwide.

The House recessed for a few days, with leaders warning members to be prepared to return to Washington to vote on the year-end deals, while the Senate was planning a rare Friday session.

The breakdown over the COVID aid package, after days of behind-the-scenes talks by a group of lawmakers fed up with inaction, comes as President Donald Trump has taken the talks in another direction — insisting on a fresh round of $600 stimulus checks for Americans.

Sending direct cash payments to households was not included in the bipartisan proposal, but has been embraced by some of the president’s fiercest critics — including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N,Y., and Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont Independent who introduced an amendment to include the checks with Trump ally Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo.

Sanders said the unprecedented moment facing the nation with the pandemic and its economic fallout requires Congress to “take unprecedented action.”

Trump’s top negotiator on COVID-19 financial aid, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin reported headway Thursday, before the package from the bipartisan senators’ group fell apart.

“I think we’re making a lot of progress,” Mnuchin said.

A one-week stop-gap measure to prevent a federal shutdown appears to have sapped some urgency from the talks. The short-term government-wide funding bill, approved by the House on Wednesday, needs to clear the Senate before Friday at midnight to avert a partial closure.

The next deadline would be Dec. 18, but both House and Senate leaders say they won’t adjourn without passing an aid measure.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Congress would keep working up to or even after Christmas to get an agreement. The new Congress is being sworn in on Jan. 3.

“Now if we need more time then we take more time, but we have to have a bill and we cannot go home without it,” Pelosi said. She also gave an upbeat assessment on the talks.

The bipartisan lawmakers held another virtual “dinner group” meeting late Thursday to try to prop up the deal. They have been working furiously to try to bridge the stalemate over COVID aid.

The $900 billion-plus proposal provides sweeping new funds for vaccines, small businesses, health care providers, schools and families suffering from the virus crisis and the economic shutdowns.

A key hold up has been the standoff over more money for the states, that Democrats - and some Republicans - want and the liability shield that is McConnell’s top GOP priority but that most Democrats oppose.

The partisan group tried to marry those two provisions as a compromise.

McConnell had initially proposed a five-year liability shield from virus lawsuits, retroactive to December 2019, but the bipartisan group was eyeing a scaled-back shield of six months to a year. Labor and civil rights groups oppose any shield, which they say strips essential workers of potential legal recourse as they take risks during the pandemic.

Democratic leaders had wanted far more in state and local aid, but were accepting of the lower $160 billion.

But many Republicans have long viewed the state and local aid as a bailout they would have trouble supporting, despite the pleas for funds coming from governors and mayors nationwide.

Late Thursday, Sen. Dick Durbin and other Democrats pitched another liability proposal to the bipartisan group, but it was rejected by Republicans, according to a Senate aide granted anonymity to discuss the private session.

The Trump administration is back in the middle of the negotiations with a $916 billion plan. It would send a $600 direct payment to most Americans but eliminate a $300-per-week employment benefit favored by the bipartisan group of Senate negotiators.

The White House offer has the endorsement of the top House Republican and apparent backing from McConnell, who had previously favored a $519 billion GOP plan that has already failed twice. But Democrats immediately blasted the plan over the administration’s refusal to back the partial restoration, to $300 per week, of bonus pandemic jobless benefits that lapsed in August.

President-elect Joe Biden is pressing for as much pandemic relief as possible, though he’s not directly involved in the talks. McConnell, like Pelosi, says Congress will not adjourn without providing the long-overdue COVID-19 relief.

Republicans say the right people to handle final negotiations are the four leaders of Congress and the Trump administration, with the focus on the streamlined proposal from McConnell, R-Ky.

The bipartisan negotiating group — led by Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia and GOP Sens. Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, among others — was seeking to rally lawmakers behind the $908 billion framework that includes the $300-per-week pandemic jobless benefit and $160 billion for states and local governments.

It also includes a four-month extension of jobless benefits set to expire at the end of the month, $300 billion for “paycheck protection” subsidiesfor struggling businesses, funding for vaccines and testing, and a host of smaller items such as aid to transit systems, the U.S. Postal Service and health care providers.
 

Mr_X

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There are ongoing court hearings, and i bet a majority of people aren't even following the court hearing streams, but instead believing their own media outlet and their userbase. If you are a true republican, and believe the election was stolen, you would be following this ongoing Wisconsin case and know who your congressmen are, instead of bitching about a journalists opinion of facts and calling it fake news just because you dont like their opinion and dont want to take the time to form your own because you are sheep.
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-afghanistan-rand-paul-defense-policy-bills-dd71de9f48beaedaff75d0e1262f03d9
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Senate on Friday approved a wide-ranging defense policy bill, sending it to President Donald Trump, despite his threat to veto the bill because it does not clamp down on big tech companies he claims were biased during the election.

The final vote was 84-13, mirroring a similarly overwhelming margin in the House that, if maintained in both chambers, would be enough to override a potential veto.

The Senate vote had been expected Thursday but was delayed after Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky objected to the measure, saying it could limit Trump’s ability to draw down U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Germany.

Congress has approved the bill, known as the National Defense Authorization Act, for nearly 60 years in a row. The current version affirms 3% pay raises for U.S. troops and authorizes more than $740 billion in military programs and construction.

Trump has vowed to veto the bill unless lawmakers impose limits on social media companies he claims were biased against him during the election. Trump has also said he wants Congress to strip out a provision of the bill that allows renaming of military bases such as Fort Benning and Fort Hood that now honor Confederate leaders.

Paul said Friday that his main point in filibustering the bill “was to point out that the president should have the prerogative to end a war, not just to start wars.″

Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, hailed the bill’s passage, calling it “the most important bill we’ll do all year.”

The defense authorization law “is what the Constitution tells us we have to do″ in Congress, Inhofe said. ”We must protect freedom, democracy and peace, and support our troops. This is the heart of the National Defense Authorization Act, and I look forward to it becoming law before the end of the year.”

The bill’s approval was never in doubt, although Paul’s actions cast uncertainty on the timing. Paul said Friday that “neoconservatives” such as Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., “are inconsistent in saying they want ... to give the commander-in-chief powers to begin war, but then they want to restrain and hamstring a president from ending a war. I think it’s a pretty important principle to discuss so we did hold things up for a day.″

Two amendments addressing troop deployment could create “535 commanders-in-chief in Congress,” Paul said, hampering the president’s ability to draw down troops in Afghanistan and Germany. Democrats support the measure because they oppose Trump, Paul said, but the amendment would also apply to future presidents, including President-elect Joe Biden.

One amendment, co-sponsored by Cheney and Democratic Rep. Jason Crow of Colorado, an Afghanistan veteran, would block troop withdrawals in Afghanistan unless the Pentagon submits inter-agency reports certifying that the drawdowns would not jeopardize national security. A separate provision pushed by Utah Republican Sen. Mitt Romney and other lawmakers would limit planned troop withdrawals in Germany.

Paul singled out Cheney by name in a floor speech, saying she and her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, share a neoconservative belief in “perpetual war.”

“The philosophy of these people is about war and substantiating war and making sure that it becomes and is perpetual war,″ Paul said.

Cheney called Paul’s actions “inexcusable” and charged that he delayed hazardous duty pay to hundreds of thousands of service members and their families and kept Congress from completing its greatest duty: providing for the nation’s defense.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, in a rare break with Trump, urged passage of the measure despite Trump’s threat to veto it. McConnell, R-Ky., said it was important for Congress to continue a nearly 60-year streak of passing the National Defense Authorization Act.

“This NDAA will unlock more than $740 billion for the training, tools and cutting-edge equipment that our service members and civilian employees need to defend American lives and American interests,″ McConnell said. “It will give our troops the 3% pay raise they deserve. It’ll keep our forces ready to deter China and stand strong in the Indo-Pacific.″

The Democratic-controlled House overwhelmingly approved the defense bill on Tuesday, defying Trump’s veto threat and setting up a possible showdown with the Republican president in the waning days of his administration.

A total of 140 Republicans joined 195 Democrats in backing the bill, which received support from more than 80% of the House — well above the two-thirds support required to override a potential veto.

Trump tweeted Tuesday that he will veto “the very weak” defense bill unless it repeals Section 230, a part of the communications code that shields Twitter, Facebook and other tech giants from content liability.

The White House said in a policy statement that “Section 230 facilitates the spread of disinformation online and is a serious threat to our national security and election integrity. It should be repealed.″

The dispute over social media content — a battle cry of conservatives who say the social media giants treat them unfairly — interjects an unrelated but complicated issue into a bill that Congress takes pride in having passed unfailingly for nearly 60 years. It follows Trump’s bid over the summer to sabotage the package with a veto threat over Confederate base names.

“Over the course of United States history, these locations have taken on significance to the American story and those who have helped write it that far transcends their namesakes,″ the White House statement said. “The administration respects the legacy of the millions of American servicemen and women who have served with honor at these military bases, and who, from these locations, have fought, bled and died for their country.″

If he does veto the defense bill, Congress could cut short its Christmas recess to hold override vote.

“I think we can override the veto, if in fact he vetoes,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Tuesday. “I hope he does not veto. I hope he reconsiders. And I think he will get substantial pressure (from Republicans) that, you know, you don’t want to put the defense bill at risk.″

The defense measure guides Pentagon policy and cements decisions about troop levels, new weapons systems and military readiness, military personnel policy and other military goals. Many programs can only go into effect if the bill is approved, including military construction.
 

hanimmal

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Wow. The Clinton school of political prostitution and deceptive double dealing are why we have corporate democrats. Bill brought it. Hillary perpetuated and exploited it. Not the people most are thinking. Lengthy list of actions that lead to alot of our problems.

Sorry you didn't get the memo. One word though. "N.A.F.T.A.".

Just honest and disgusted.

Hope you have a good day.

Made me laugh. Peace.
That sounds all edgy and all, but what is it that you are saying that Clinton's did that was wrong? Are you sure you are just not having all the feelings that have been pushed by the Republicans over the last 30 years against them?

And I am not sure what it is that you are saying NAFTA has done to hurt our nation.

Im am one of the last age group that had the notion that I could leave high school and get a good job at the Ford plant down the street and be fine.

I really am interested in this, because I know the "NAFTA" trolling has been intense, I have been hearing about being bitched about all my life but never get a good explanation of why it was so bad to open up trade borders with Mexico and Canada.

GDP was rising at the fasted rate after NAFTA was set up in the last 40 years.


Manufacturing actually picked up for a bit, until 9/11 when it fell off a cliff during the Republican led economy.

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Also can see all jobs actually increased post NAFTA too.

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I wish there was more data to look at with auto production, but I can agree there is a decrease with it, but not sure without knowing how it was going in the 60's on.

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And income levels also increased after NAFTA.

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I just don't buy the decades of trolling that Trump has pushed about it. Id really like to hear your thoughts on what it is that you actually think is bad about it.
 

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hanimmal

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Ive made the most money with trump so i dunno why people going broke u got legs and arms get your ass to work who cares in power.
You have also likely had more experience since time is linear.
Ya covids trumps fault lol
Nope, but the shit national response to it was completely on Trump.
Fear based. Show the reciepts...
I turn on msm and its all FEAR COVID, LOCKDOWN, STFU AND LISTEN WHAT YOURE TOLD, DO NOT QUESTION US ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BIDEN WON, TAKE THIS VACCINE AND DONT WORRY ABOUT IT.
Pretty positive the other side is questioning the lack of science of it all..from plexiglass to closing small businesses to closing schools..not recommended by cdc.
lmao, what is 'msm?

They are coming back. Trump snuffing nafta helps alot also. Made in america "is what trump wants. Not the clintons and biden who give our jobs to forced china labor. How you like those NIKE's now, made for 12 cents overhead in sweatshops..thats just fine isnt it..nothing to see there.
Black n Decker moving to Texas soon if not already have. We are done with China and their bs.
It is funny how a slightly different percent of a car being made by employees making over a certain amount of money and a couple other minor adjustments is 'snuffing nafta'. You really are hilarious.

Also as you can see in the post above this, it was under Republicans in the 2000's that the job losses in manufacturing skyrocketed. Years after NAFTA.

If you dont give tax breaks to corps..they will just go to another country where its cheaper. It goes full circle overall when corps hire people and they pay their taxes. Why dont you understand basic things?
I would point to the environmental and things like worker protections that was the real reason that American companies went overseas. It was a lot cheaper to build a new factory over there and not have the middle class people all up in arms about pollution being dumped into their environments and not having to worry about employees bitching about OSHA that made it cheaper.

Not one of you has one bad thing to say about china..just russia..that you still cant prove. Pretty fkn weird.
China can suck a dick. They are locking up million or so minorities and reprogramming them, attacking Hong Kong because they are sick of not having a say in how their country is governed. They are sending spies into our nation. And worst of all they are doing stupid shit like putting the ban hammer on Winnie the Poo.

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Funny, I still haven't heard anything but the Russian propaganda and inability to admit that our nation is under attack, when every intel agency, official under oath in hearings, Bi partisan senate reports, other nations intelligence reports, hell even Putin himself admitted to it.

Pretty sad that you are so brainwashed you are unable to say what is right because Dear Leader needs his cult trolls to push the big lies to keep the dollars rolling in from his cultists.

You do with nafta lol.
Sticking to the Trump branding huh.
 

SaltyCracker

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You have also likely had more experience since time is linear.

Nope, but the shit national response to it was completely on Trump.

lmao, what is 'msm?


It is funny how a slightly different percent of a car being made by employees making over a certain amount of money and a couple other minor adjustments is 'snuffing nafta'. You really are hilarious.

Also as you can see in the post above this, it was under Republicans in the 2000's that the job losses in manufacturing skyrocketed. Years after NAFTA.



I would point to the environmental and things like worker protections that was the real reason that American companies went overseas. It was a lot cheaper to build a new factory over there and not have the middle class people all up in arms about pollution being dumped into their environments and not having to worry about employees bitching about OSHA that made it cheaper.


China can suck a dick. They are locking up million or so minorities and reprogramming them, attacking Hong Kong because they are sick of not having a say in how their country is governed. They are sending spies into our nation. And worst of all they are doing stupid shit like putting the ban hammer on Winnie the Poo.

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Funny, I still haven't heard anything but the Russian propaganda and inability to admit that our nation is under attack, when every intel agency, official under oath in hearings, Bi partisan senate reports, other nations intelligence reports, hell even Putin himself admitted to it.

Pretty sad that you are so brainwashed you are unable to say what is right because Dear Leader needs his cult trolls to push the big lies to keep the dollars rolling in from his cultists.



Sticking to the Trump branding huh.
Msm is short for mainstream media

Sticking to the ccp branding huh?
Denounce the ccp right now
 

hanimmal

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House Republicans on Thursday blocked an effort by House Democrats to approve $2,000 stimulus payments for millions of Americans. Democrats were seeking to advance the measure after President Trump demanded it on Tuesday night, breaking with many of his fellow Republicans.

House Democratic leadership attempted to advance the measure by “unanimous consent,” but the effort was blocked by Republican leadership.

Trump has hinted he will not sign a $900 billion emergency economic relief package into law unless these larger stimulus payments are approved. Many Democrats also support the higher payments, while most Republicans do not. But Trump’s late-stage intervention puts the entire package in jeopardy, and the government will shut down on Tuesday if there is not a resolution.

House Democrats also blocked a measure sought by Republicans to reevaluate U.S. spending on foreign aid, something Trump also pushed for earlier this week.

“Today, on Christmas Eve morning, House Republicans cruelly deprived the American people of the $2,000 that the President agreed to support,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a statement. “If the President is serious about the $2,000 direct payments, he must call on House Republicans to end their obstruction.”

Stalling recovery raises stakes for Trump’s new demands on economic relief bill

The $900 billion stimulus package approved by Congress included $600 direct payment checks, a level that Trump’s top economic adviser, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, had proposed earlier this month. Trump on Tuesday said these checks were not big enough.

In an effort to counter Pelosi’s move, House Republicans attempted to pass a request to revisit the foreign aid portion of the government funding package, also through unanimous consent. This is also in line with demands that Trump surfaced for the first time Tuesday night, one day after the large spending package was approved by Congress.

It is unclear what lawmakers — or Trump — will do next after the failed procedural moves, and there are major consequences for both the economy and the government.

Failure to pass the package would also spell disaster for tens of millions of Americans and risk the broader U.S. economy at a perilous moment during the coronavirus pandemic. There is little time to act. Unemployment benefits for 14 million Americans expire on Saturday. An eviction moratorium protecting as many as 30 million Americans from eviction is set to expire by the end of the month. The federal government will shutdown Monday at midnight if lawmakers do not approve an extension in funding.

Because the House and Senate have already passed the bill, Trump could ultimately decide to veto it if his demands aren’t met.

If Trump does veto the legislation, Congress would then have the opportunity to override the president’s veto with another vote. Yet it’s likely that the relief effort could fall apart entirely at that point, given congressional Republicans have already indicated they are reluctant to go against Trump, who remains widely popular with GOP voters.

Trump calls on Congress to approve $2,000 stimulus checks, hinting he might not sign relief bill without changes

Despite the looming deadlines, the president as of Wednesday evening was still weighing whether he should veto the relief package, according to multiple officials inside and outside the White House who spoke on the condition of anonymity to frankly discuss internal thinking.

Trump was encouraged by what he perceived as the positive reaction in the media to his denouncement of the aid package, as well as support among Democrats from his call for $2,000 stimulus payments, one person in communication with senior White House officials said. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe candid interactions with the White House.

“Nobody knows exactly what Trump is going to do, and they’re all trying to figure it out,” the adviser said, describing the odds of a veto as “a little less than 50-50.”

The $900 billion aid package Trump may veto would also devote $25 billion for food assistance amid an explosion of hunger in America; hundreds of billions for restaurants and other small businesses bracing for the surge in the pandemic; and billions for other critical needs such as transportation agencies, vaccine distribution and rental assistance.

But Washington was suddenly consumed with a new political battle over the stimulus payments. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) accused Democrats of “selective hearing” Wednesday night because their effort does not include Trump’s call to cut international aid spending that the president also denounced in his video address.

“They have conveniently ignored the concerns expressed by the president, and shared by our constituents, that we ought to reexamine how our tax dollars are spent overseas,” McCarthy said in a letter to House Republicans.

Trump’s own budget proposal included much of the foreign aid items that he himself railed against in his video address.
The U.S. Global Leadership Coalition also pointed out in a statement that the aid funding had support from Republicans, including allies of Trump such as Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-S.C.).

“The truth is that not only were many of these funds pushed for by the White House — as recently as less than a week ago in the case of Sudan — but they were vetted and assembled by bipartisan leaders,” the coalition president, Liz Schrayer, said in a statement.

House Democrats plan to try to vote on legislation increasing the $600 per person check approved in the aid package to $2,000 on Monday.
 
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