another wrinkle leaf seedling diag?

Nwtexan

Nwtexan

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Hey everyone,

Doing a lot of learning here. Appreciate all of the knowledge!

i've started 3 plants in a 3x4 tent. 2 GSC and 1 G13. Growing in FFHF. I added some perlite, worm castings, humus, and recharge.
Plants were started in peat pellets. Planted in 1 gallon fabric pots a few days ago.
Right now they are under a 100W LED. I have it at 40% about 22" above plants. around 150 UMOL.
Temps are mostly in the mid 70's. i have been paring down humidity as they near vegetative.
No nutes. We have well water that comes out around 7.0 with low PPMs(around 70). I have been adjusting the PH slightly down to around 6.3-6.5

I watered lightly, allowing medium to dry out decently(haven't seen any drooping) before re-watering
Just did a slurry test with some of my soil just to check PH. I am getting around 6.2

! of the 2 GSC has some wrinkly, funky looking leaves. Trying to diagnose what it might be. IMG_0252.jpegIMG_0253.jpegIMG_0254.jpeg
 
Nwtexan

Nwtexan

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I have been trying to diagnose what might be wrong. Its looking like the new growth is curling over as well. Possible root problems? It didn't look like any of the deficiencies that i could see. I transplanted straight from jiffy pellets to the 1 g so I was going a bit easy on watering, pouring a small amount per watering. Next time I will step up from the pellets to either solo cups or 4" pots.

In trying to figure this out, I started thinking that maybe I wasn't getting enough water through the root area, so i changed to a more thorough soaking with a longer time between waterings. Any thoughts would be great. I'm a bit in the darkIMG_0259.jpg
 
Wattzzup

Wattzzup

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Completely saturate soil until runoff then wait a few days. Big pot small plant. Sometimes there is nothing to do for 3-4 days.
 
Nwtexan

Nwtexan

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Thank you. When i first planted the jiffy pellets I was so paranoid about overwatering(reading thread after thread) that I used a small shot glass size container with 4 or 5 fillings to water.
I watered to runoff day before yesterday. I'll check soil again tomorrow and probably water then or the next day
 
Nwtexan

Nwtexan

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Will do. All 3 of my plants were watered at the same time and have the same general weight. I was checking that this morning before I posted.
 
Nwtexan

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Interesting note. When I watered a couple of days ago, I watered all 3 plants. They are all in 1G fabric pots. each one was watered to the point of light runoff. I have 1 other GSC and 1 G13.

The pot with the plant in question is almost completely dry! It's not close to the light, fan, or anything else that would dry it out quicker than the others. . It also is a bit stunted in comparison to the other 2 so in theory I would think it would be drinking less water. I am wondering if there is something about this plant in particular that has it taking in more liquid than the others,

Strange!
 
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Khyber420

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Nwtexan said:
Hey everyone,

Doing a lot of learning here. Appreciate all of the knowledge!

i've started 3 plants in a 3x4 tent. 2 GSC and 1 G13. Growing in FFHF. I added some perlite, worm castings, humus, and recharge.
Plants were started in peat pellets. Planted in 1 gallon fabric pots a few days ago.
Right now they are under a 100W LED. I have it at 40% about 22" above plants. around 150 UMOL.
Temps are mostly in the mid 70's. i have been paring down humidity as they near vegetative.
No nutes. We have well water that comes out around 7.0 with low PPMs(around 70). I have been adjusting the PH slightly down to around 6.3-6.5

I watered lightly, allowing medium to dry out decently(haven't seen any drooping) before re-watering
Just did a slurry test with some of my soil just to check PH. I am getting around 6.2

! of the 2 GSC has some wrinkly, funky looking leaves. Trying to diagnose what it might be. View attachment 4785470View attachment 4785471View attachment 4785472
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Your humidity is pretty low for seedlings. Try run according to VPD if you can, meaning at your Temps you want 60 to 65% RH. It will help with nutrient uptake, regardless they don't look bad.
 
Nwtexan

Nwtexan

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Khyber420 said:
Your humidity is pretty low for seedlings. Try run according to VPD if you can, meaning at your Temps you want 60 to 65% RH. It will help with nutrient uptake, regardless they don't look bad.
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I just did that! I’m getting things together for what I want to do with my grow. Got a plugin thermostat to turn on a small wattage heater in the tent for heat and/or turn on my vent fan as needed. Humidity is right around 60-65
 
Nwtexan

Nwtexan

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Watered today. I added a bit of recharge to the water, with the thought that whatever was going on was some type of root funkiness.
I am following Ed Rosenthal's advice to bring my soft water(@75ppm with low calcium) up to around 125. I used calmag(sparingly) for the first time. Adding the recharge brought things up a little. I PH'd the water down to 6.2. I watered to getting a bit of runoff
I know that soil gets crazy measurements, so I am just doing all this for education and understanding, but the runoff was pretty high PPM(around 3300) and PH of around 5.9
Plant was already looking a little better today. I'll just keep an eye on it and hopefully things will continue to straighten out as it builds it's root system. It's a bit behind the other 2.
Next watering I'm considering using a light solution of Big Bloom depending on how the plants look. They will be at 3 weeks
 
Nwtexan

Nwtexan

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So, plant looks a little better, but still wondering what people think this is. I've spent a good deal of time trying to find symptoms that look like this. Again, the best I can figure, outside of some weird disease, is some root issues with watering. When i first transplanted seedling into 1 gallon pots, I was giving a moderate amount of water in a circle around the stem.

I haven't used any nutes at all, outside of recharge yesterday and a small amount of Calmag yesterday as well to bring my PPM's up to 125 base.

My soil is a mix based on FFHF with some worm castings, humus, recharge, and perlite. Water is well water @7 ph 75PPM low calcium

Pics of sick plant, close up of fan leaves, close up of curling new growth, and healthy GSC sisterIMG_0262.JPGIMG_0260.JPG
 

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mistergrafik

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I would say your PH is too high. Bring it down and establish equilibrium with everything you amended in the pot. And then u can water with whatever PH u want. That's only a guess - it could just be the seed
 
Nwtexan

Nwtexan

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mistergrafik said:
I would say your PH is too high. Bring it down and establish equilibrium with everything you amended in the pot. And then u can water with whatever PH u want. That's only a guess - it could just be the seed
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That's what's weird. I've checked PH. Its low 6..Around 6.3. I did a soil test ALso, the exact same soil with my other plants, and no nutes or anything. Even if I watered with straight well water, its 7. I amend it to 6.2-6.3
 
mistergrafik

mistergrafik

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Nwtexan said:
That's what's weird. I've checked PH. Its low 6..Around 6.3. I did a soil test ALso, the exact same soil with my other plants, and no nutes or anything. Even if I watered with straight well water, its 7. I amend it to 6.2-6.3
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Someone else can chime in - I'm going to say a bad seed
 
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