AN's PH Perfect vs...

Two grows with same strains. PH Perfect in veg, DWC with sprayers. PH Perfect for flower.
Second grow. All from seed, same strains. Botanicare grow for veg. Botanicare Bloom for flower.
2k hps. A/C, temps 55 night, 78 high day. Lots of air exchange. Fan etc.
Results: With AN's Perfect, small, thin, with trics less than normal.
With Botanicare, Man's forearm sized buds. Thick, long, very very tric ed!!
The "magic" AN perfect ph is actually more work because I only change my tank out 2 times in 60 days with Botanicare. Top off and ph with down when needed, add bloom nutes to get to 900 to 1200 ppm. PH stays close to 5.8 and Botanicare bloom nute brings tap water down to target easy. Not to much down use really needed in other words.
With AN's Perfect, must change water every 7 days. Have to trust ph is ok. Only really ever gets down to 5.9 but mostly sits at a little over 6.
Actually more work with the No work PH perfect and results just are not even close.
I don't recommend it and as for all the other nutes and regimines, with the two Botanicare nute products, I never get less than 25 to 30 oz's from 6 plants grown in a five by 5 scrog.

Couple quick questions... why do you " have to switch out water with AN every 7 days"? But not so for botanicare even though it calls for the same thing (following directions for one but not the other? Interesting)

Not specifying which nutrient lines youre using is also interesting.

You have to "trust" the ph of AN, yet you are obviously checking it so you COULD adjust it if you were so inclined.


Also interesting, no yields from either lol. Cool cool...

Shugglet said:

Couple quick questions... why do you " have to switch out water with AN every 7 days"? But not so for botanicare even though it calls for the same thing (following directions for one but not the other? Interesting)

Not specifying which nutrient lines youre using is also interesting.

You have to "trust" the ph of AN, yet you are obviously checking it so you COULD adjust it if you were so inclined.


Also interesting, no yields from either lol. Cool cool...

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Why, Because It can't be altered and expect to get the results they say so I did it like they tell you too.
Have used Botanicare and know I get great with no full water changes. Top off and once after 30 days in bloom dump and refill.
Works so don't change it often. GET IT NOW?
As for no mention of yields. I said 20 to 30 oz's in the area so not sure if you can read.? With the PH perfect well, stating the sizes
of the buds seems enough. Yield was crappy so exact yield is not really important.. Just understand it was not good..
As for what nute line up.. UMMM. WoW! Again can you read..???
Was using PH Perfect all the way through..!!!!
Was then using, and had used in the past, Botanicare grow for veg, then Botanicare Bloom for flower.. Seems easy to understand but I read at a post grad level not the average 8th grade and have a hard time making it more clear for the average and or below average, IQ's. Forest....
Anymore genius replies and or questions??

Nice condescending attitude you got there GoodTime. Typical of AN haters likely trolling for Botanicare now that it's owned by Miracle-Gro/Mon$anto/Bayer.

Scotts Miracle-Gro Buys General Hydroponics

Scotts Miracle-Gro, a convicted corporate criminal that sells low-end fertilizers, Monsanto’s Round-Up, and other poisons, has purchased hydroponics nutrients manufacturer General Hydroponics.

It has also purchased Dutch lighting company Gavita, and Arizona-based hydroponics nutrients company Botanicare.

These big-money takeovers were made by a Scotts Miracle-Gro front company called “Hawthorne Gardening Company,” a wholly-owned Scotts subsidiary formed in 2014.

Hawthorne is managed by Chris Hagedorn, the oldest son of Scotts CEO Jim Hagedorn.

But in public statements made by General Hydroponics and Hawthorne spokespersons, the Scotts Miracle-Gro connection is hidden, because Scotts is universally scorned by the marijuana growing and organic gardening communities.

I've used AN for 16 years and tried others during that time with much lousier results. When I've done a comparison grow I use clones from the same mother, same feeding schedule, lighting etc to get results that actually have some meaning because I apply scientific principals to my testing methods.

I rarely change my nutes out more than once during a DWC grow right after the stretch is over and once did a side-by-side grow with two tubs loaded with identical Kush clones. One tub never got changed at all while the other got three complete changes and there was almost no difference in yields other than the unchanged one did grow the largest main cola of all on one of the plants. I called her Beer Can Betty even tho the cola was 15" long, twice as fat as a beer can and so solid you could have beat a man to the ground with it.

All done with AN nutes pre-pH Perfect.



So I say BS to your claims and just the fact that you base your comparison on plants grown from seed shows that you have no understanding of even the basics of the scientific method. You might read at a post grad level, (I did so in grade three and am a real post grad in chemistry), you write like an average third grader.

The pH Perfect tech works for me as I have one less chore to do while growing in DWC or my soil/soilless growing. I happily give my money to a Canadian company that makes their products tuned to cannabis plants and brags about it rather than a foreign-owned toxic corporation that makes it products for vegetables and shuns pot growers to the point of supporting the people trying to keep pot illegal for all but their corporate bum-buddies.

Take your trolling elsewhere like GC where they will welcome you with open arms.

I'll take the evil Monsanto over a child rapist anyday.

Eugene "Gino" Yordanov is a well-known international drug smuggler, multimillionaire, Order of St. Michael's knight, and now, apparently a child rapist.

Eugene is also one of the three co-owners of Advanced Nutrients Ltd., along with Michael "Big Mike" Straumietis and Robert C. Higgins.

In May of 2013, Eugene Yordanov was accused with strong evidence in Bulgaria of taking a little 7 year old girl, the daughter of a friend (Ms. Velislava Veleva) of Eugene’s and Michael’s, to a deserted area and penetrating her anus with his fingers, causing a 1 centimeter long tear inside the little girl’s anal canal, and then making her fondle his penis and perform fellatio on him, while taking pictures with his phone and then showing the pictures to his friends.

rkymtnman said:

I'll take the evil Monsanto over a child rapist anyday.

Eugene "Gino" Yordanov is a well-known international drug smuggler, multimillionaire, Order of St. Michael's knight, and now, apparently a child rapist.

Eugene is also one of the three co-owners of Advanced Nutrients Ltd., along with Michael "Big Mike" Straumietis and Robert C. Higgins.

In May of 2013, Eugene Yordanov was accused with strong evidence in Bulgaria of taking a little 7 year old girl, the daughter of a friend (Ms. Velislava Veleva) of Eugene’s and Michael’s, to a deserted area and penetrating her anus with his fingers, causing a 1 centimeter long tear inside the little girl’s anal canal, and then making her fondle his penis and perform fellatio on him, while taking pictures with his phone and then showing the pictures to his friends.

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So one guy in a company does something horrible and you paint the whole company with the same brush. Kind of like how ALL Muslims are terrorists eh.

Mon$atan and the companies associated with them have caused the deaths and suffering of millions of people so far and continue to rape the planet for profits while leaving nothing but destruction in their wake but that's OK huh.

Pretty skewed sense of right and wrong leaning heavily to the side of wrong if you ask me.

OldMedUser said:

So one guy in a company does something horrible and you paint the whole company with the same brush. Kind of like how ALL Muslims are terrorists eh.

Mon$atan and the companies associated with them have caused the deaths and suffering of millions of people so far and continue to rape the planet for profits while leaving nothing but destruction in their wake but that's OK huh.

Pretty skewed sense of right and wrong leaning heavily to the side of wrong if you ask me. View attachment 3896926

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I love Monsanto. Got plenty of their stock. And who doesn't love GMO's? Not me.

Guess you dont' mind 7 yr old girls getting their anus ripped apart by the monster that sells your crappy nutes?

Me thinks you don't have a leg to stand on in a morality conversation.

No. My argument holds water just fine. One rape that happened once verses millions still happening.

I love a good battle of wits but not against an unarmed opponent. Nice try but unless you can come up with something other than one bad apple in a huge barrel of them to support your view you got nothing I haven't heard before.

Let me know when you come up with something new that might actually mean something. Otherwise we're done.

OldMedUser said:

Let me know when you come up with something new that might actually mean something

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sure thing grampa.

take 5mL of your AN Grow and put it in a gallon of RO
do the same with Dyna Gro Foliage Pro.

let us all know what the EC of each is and then we'll see what nutes are pretty bottles of crappy water, OK?

this is gonna be an ass kicking contest against a one legged old man.

Still nothing.

What does Dyna Gro have to do with anything? The nutes being discussed other than AN was Botanicare. You taking debate lessons from Trump or what?

You don't use legs in a debate but if you did I'd win again. I got three legs and yo momma loves the middle one!

OldMedUser said:

What does Dyna Gro have to do with anything?

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dyna gro are real nutes. not your crappy AN shit. they might be good for Canadian standards but not here in the USofA.

we both know what the results would be so don't embarrass yourself by actually comparing the two. if you are man enough, i'll do the dyna gro part on my own and you do your AN grow? up to it champ?

p.s. what kinda light did you grow that plant with? a candle? or a bic lighter? that's the shittiest fluffy larf plant i've ever seen.

I seen this yesterday and it's a staged vid . Apparently switching to AN doubles yields. What type of company would try to push that bs?.

Staging vids to out right lie about performance, charging crazy prices for base feeds and inventing needless additives at more crazy prices.

I don't doubt that if the guy was making huge nute errors he could have doubled yield by finally getting it right.. but you could have done that with any decent feed line. It's also the part that catches him out and shows the vid as a fraud. The guys setup is pro, must have cost a fortune. He's in a sealed room and running co2. He payed for and had the skill to do all that in 3 year?. And even if so, a guy who ''could'' do that would be smart as shit. I sure as hell don't think he'd get everything else right and completely fk up his feeding regime to half his yields.

Lying and manipulation should be all the reason you need to stay away from that company.