Any one have any experience making S1 seeds?

rshackleferd

rshackleferd

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If you made some S1 seeds what was the outcome? I heard all kinds of things can happen, such as if the parents or the parents of the parents were not stable you could end up with all kinds of different phenotypes. You could also loose vigor. I heard it was also hard to make seeds since most of the genes, dna or whatever doesnt line up right, problems such as inbreeding, mutations, and etc. can occur. I also heard the exact opposite, some of the best strains were from S1 breeding, i dont know what to believe.
 
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growone

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i've played around with some s1 seeds, growing 1 out currently
phenos all over the place, but the parent was an f1, i think that's expected for that case
have had some very nice offspring, and not so nice
if you like to be adventurous, it could work for you
 
TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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i use tiresias mist to get a single male branch on the chosen female and pollinate clones of the same strain.. the seeds produced are feminized, theive made hundreds of S1 seeds from several different strains.. first if you are sure the female being used is strong and does NOT herm easily,,stress test her,,if she is strong and does NOT herm,, then you can use coildal silver ory do NOT herm and are close to exact replicas of the mother,,some variation but very little and very seldom..i also use the feminized pollen on other females to get very nice female crosses.. wright now im using feminized pollen from my TH seeds bubble gum and pollenating a spliff seeds blue berry female...these crosses are a 50-50 of blue berry n bubble gum and seeds are pretty uniform...
 
Growbrough

Growbrough

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get 2 clones of the same genetic. herm one, then use that pollen on the other clone. all seeds harvested are less likely to herm vs pollinating a plant onto itself. which is more likely to pass on the herm trait.
also like @TheChemist77 said use that pollen on other strains that are fem for some fem crosses.
 
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oteymut

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I had a plant hermy a little bit and pollinate itself one time. I got about 15 seeds. I planted 4 and all 4 were major herms.

It's different because this plant hermied on it's own under normal conditions. If you have to force a plant to hermy, it's S1's might not be so bad.
 
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Morbid Angel

Morbid Angel

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nicest bud Ive grown was from S1. I ended up losing it though. The one that got away. Plenty more fishing to do, though 3rd party pre selected clones are my growing choice now. Let someone else do the work. Someone who has time and space.
 
Budgoro88

Budgoro88

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oteymut said:
I had a plant hermy a little bit and pollinate itself one time. I got about 15 seeds. I planted 4 and all 4 were major herms.

It's different because this plant hermied on it's own under normal conditions. If you have to force a plant to hermy, it's S1's might not be so bad.
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The whole point is to not be able to make your plant herm unless a supplement is added like tireasis mist or collidal if it's herm from stress why breed it I wouldn't want that trait in my gene pool
 
Abiqua

Abiqua

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Budgoro88 said:
I breed for stability and mostly for new growers I breed easy to grow plants that will never hermie under serious stress you can let my plants go 24 weeks is most I've done no hermie im picky I guess
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All female and male cannabis plants have the ability to put forth the opposite sex of organ, given the right conditions.

I am picking too, but your being picky is nothing like my "being picky" and thats fine. I am just trying to usual classical genetics as a common language not he said she said......

I have had "non Intersex" genetics go intersex

I have had Intersex produced genetics not go intersex.

I think I am missing your point about quoting my bottlenecking point? :peace:
 
Budgoro88

Budgoro88

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Abiqua said:
All female and male cannabis plants have the ability to put forth the opposite sex of organ, given the right conditions.

I am picking too, but your being picky is nothing like my "being picky" and thats fine. I am just trying to usual classical genetics as a common language not he said she said......

I have had "non Intersex" genetics go intersex

I have had Intersex produced genetics not go intersex.

I think I am missing your point about quoting my bottlenecking point? :peace:
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I quoted your thread just responding what I do that's all I'm just saying if I see male sacks and I didn't spray for them wether it's from flowering passed ripeness or stress hermie if I see those sacs I don't want that in my gene pool I want strickly induced sacs I was just explaining my process and theory
 
farmerfischer

farmerfischer

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From what I've come to know is s1 and S1 are different. S1 is a plant pollenized by it's own pollen And has little variation in offspring and s1 is pollen used from one plants and used on another plant of the same batch ( females of course) And may have three or for different phenos. but I my have it backwards I'm drunk at the moment lol
 
oop

oop

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Budgoro88 said:
I quoted your thread just responding what I do that's all I'm just saying if I see male sacks and I didn't spray for them wether it's from flowering passed ripeness or stress hermie if I see those sacs I don't want that in my gene pool I want strickly induced sacs I was just explaining my process and theory
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You are correct. If a plant hermie's on its own then obviously the genetics are not stable. You want to find a PROVEN and STABLE fem plant and then reverse the sex with colloidal silver (can be one branch, can be whole tree). Some fem plants are so stable that they wont even drop pollen the first time, or 2nd, or 3rd.. just depends. But when you finally get some you can use it on the same plant or clone for S1's and as someone said earlier, you can also hit other fem plants with the pollen to make fem seed crosses. But again, make sure the OTHER strain is stable too. Regarding the S1 seeds themselves, they are usually VERY close to the original but I have heard that they dont carry quite the same vigor (i havent run that many to chime in on that part).
 
Olive Drab Green

Olive Drab Green

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hyroot said:
S1 seeds are basically bag seed. Not breed with any male or female pollen intentionally. Usually stress seeds

What you might get can be male, female or hermie. Not necessarily stable either
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This isn't true. Colloidal silver inhibits the production of ethylene (the female hormone) while not changing the genetic makeup. It doesn't cause hermaphroditism, as the male balls that appear contain female pollen. So when it meets a female flower, both parental sex chromosomes in the plant DNA read female, making it a feminized seed.

Only hermaphrodite S1s are what you have described.
 
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