Any Organic Purists in Arizona?

headtreep

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Hi Treep
I scratch under our mesquites for leaf matter. Cottonwoods drop a lot, too..You might try landscape maintenance cos for debris. I imagine the farms utilize their "waste". There is an alternative. No, no leaf mold, but bales of alfalfa aren't too expensive. Last I remember, about $17/bale
Right on I'll find some :) Cottonwood eh? I know that area a little that was my first place I landed when I arrived in the beautiful state of AZ. I don't mean that with sarcasm, yes I have talked a little smack being a Cali native but it's the politics here and blatant corruption here is just absurd. Northern AZ was very a calming experience.

This is the Age of Truth and the internet opened that can of worms. Even old China knows that haha.....
 

headtreep

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Seeing that over 95% of patients are in the 25 mile rule... Do you work with a dispensary?
I don't and I wouldn't unless it was consulting but I'm not able to work right now due to my disabilities. I could only direct and lead people with very limited physical restriction. There was a time a few months back where I ask a few people what the pay was like and it could not support of family of 5. Personal grow rights by relocation which broke me financially. Play by the rules and pay is what I chose to do. It sucks but that's the way it goes. Paying 360 or even 280 an oz right now with the amount of medicine I need would be financially devastating on top of my thousands of $$ medical bills which most was BS that I have done better treated myself. Is there anything more you would like to know?
 

headtreep

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It would be nice to see Dispensarys going to this level of organics. But I just don't see that happening.
Care to elaborate? Why would that be? It's pretty standard and looked highly in Northern Calif medical. They even have a certification program.

Keep positive that is the point of all of these countless threads. There are bigger things coming with Living Organics on the internet, we are just laying and paving the road now.
 

headtreep

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This program never fails for healthful PM, fungi, and pest free plants. CC turned me onto NeemResource.com and I began using their oils every week during veg and then through Week 3 (or so) in flower. To make 1 gallon of neem or karanja oil spray.: 4 tsp. oil and enough liquid silica to completely & totally emulsify the oil - this is probably the most important step 1 gallon of warm water - about 80 degrees and mix completely with the oil 1/4 - 1/2 cup aloe vera juice Shake this as hard as possible to activate the foaming action of the Saponins. You cannot get rid of PM because the spores are airborne. What you can do with a regular IPM program is preclude the spores from landing and setting-up camp in your garden. If you were to spray your plants today and you saw no visible signs of PM in a few days, all the more reason to apply again. And again. And again. All credit to CC for this recipe.
 

headtreep

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Good example:
Zazen (Zayzen) Named after a suggestion by CC ‘Zazen’ is CC’s ‘Blue Orca’ (sister of ‘The One’) pollinated with a Northern Lights #5 dominant NL#5/Neville’s Haze F2 male. Then a very resinous and beautiful male was picked from the F1’s to again pollinate the Blue Orca female cut, producing Blue Orca x NL#5/Neville’s Haze Bx1. Blue Orca x NL#5/Haze went 75 to over 100 days, the backcross should knock that down to a modern range (55 to 70 days) with no loss of this outstanding sativa effect.
 

headtreep

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Growing other plants in your indoor gardens not only keeps pests in check with diversity but it also is a great way to use the wasted light. I just started to fill in the gaps with edible plants. One that is very beautiful and makes a great detox tea is Tulsi or Tulasi (Ocimum tenuiflorum) or Holy basil. You can use it just like any old culinary basil and other uses.

From wiki:
Tulsi or Tulasi (Ocimum tenuiflorum) or Holy basil is a sacred plant in Hindu belief. Hindus regard it as an earthly manifestation of the goddess Tulsi, a consort of the god Vishnu. The offering of its leaves is mandatory in ritualistic worship of Vishnu and his forms like Krishna and Vithoba.


Does anyone grow other plants outdoor/indoors besides cannabis? Organically of course. Show off your pics.
 

headtreep

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Ayurveda
from wiki
Tulsi has been used for thousands of years in Ayurveda for its diverse healing properties. It is mentioned in the Charaka Samhita,[5] an ancient Ayurvedic text. Tulsi is considered to be an adaptogen,[6] balancing different processes in the body, and helpful for adapting to stress.[7] Marked by its strong aroma and astringent taste, it is regarded in Ayurveda as a kind of "elixir of life" and believed to promote longevity.[8] It is an elixir for cough; the leaves when chewed after meals acts as a digestive, and when taken before and after cold water bath controls temperature in the stomach and prevents cold. If sprinkled over cooked food in stored water, tulsi leaves prevent bacterial growth.[9]
 

Azoned

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Being as I grow outdoors...my gardening area is hardly sterile. I tend to let the weeds get to a size before I pull them. Some HAVE to be pulled before a certain time. Blister beetles are particularly fond of lamb's quarters and devastating. They will leave you with nothing but skeletons....the reasoning behind letting them grow is to increase organic matter in the soil. I will "sheet compost/mulch with them to keep the soil temps down. Some of the stuff, like Devil'sClaw attracts white flies. I do not know how effective they are at drawing them away from desirables, though.
Would love to get together with you and Hydra...I bet we could have a great time. We are all on the same page. A little different styles, but enough in common to make for an interesting time.
 

Hÿdra

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I have a question: SO i make fully organic ROLS type soil, which from what it seems should be feed water only. So when, why and how often do you feed Organic teas?
Its a bit confusing for me, as everyone has different ideas.

DO i feed the tea every watering? Once a week? Do i feed when needed?

what is the difference between feeding with teas, and just feeding water?
I am starting a 10 gallon pot of ROLS soil in the next few weeks when school is over, so im trying to get my game plan laid out before hand.

Im done with bottled nutes, Phing and all that shit. I want some 100% organic goodness.
 

Azoned

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I would guess that the plants will tell you. Some strains feed more or are sensitive. I don't supplemental feed...well I do , sort of...I topdress with mulch and compost...And I tried molasses and water but didn't follow with it long enough to say it helped or not. I did not see any dramatic changes with it....How's that. Working in containers is a whole different realm and I can see a plant using up available nutes over a few months..so I am not much help.
 

headtreep

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Being as I grow outdoors...my gardening area is hardly sterile. I tend to let the weeds get to a size before I pull them. Some HAVE to be pulled before a certain time. Blister beetles are particularly fond of lamb's quarters and devastating. They will leave you with nothing but skeletons....the reasoning behind letting them grow is to increase organic matter in the soil. I will "sheet compost/mulch with them to keep the soil temps down. Some of the stuff, like Devil'sClaw attracts white flies. I do not know how effective they are at drawing them away from desirables, though.
Would love to get together with you and Hydra...I bet we could have a great time. We are all on the same page. A little different styles, but enough in common to make for an interesting time.

Currently we have put down some vetch, red clover, rye, and some other grasses to prepare the outside plots. My kids are learning much about permaculture and it makes me happy. Planting cover crops will ensure a great start for the spring and "wake up" my old farm land.

When planting a diverse system of different crops you will get a very good balance with natural insects and weed control. All the different smells throws the unwanted off. Plants like lavendar, lemon grass, garlic, peppers, and a whole bunch of others are not only great for your health but great for your garden as part of a IPM program.

Yes humus building! Great subject.
 

headtreep

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Hÿdra;9816734 said:
I have a question: SO i make fully organic ROLS type soil, which from what it seems should be feed water only. So when, why and how often do you feed Organic teas?
Its a bit confusing for me, as everyone has different ideas.

DO i feed the tea every watering? Once a week? Do i feed when needed?

what is the difference between feeding with teas, and just feeding water?
I am starting a 10 gallon pot of ROLS soil in the next few weeks when school is over, so im trying to get my game plan laid out before hand.

Im done with bottled nutes, Phing and all that shit. I want some 100% organic goodness.
ROLS was originally coined as recycled living soil. When we were done with a run we would take the remaining soil with root balls and all and allowed them to break down and then we would reamend with kelp, compost, ewc etc in a pile or in my case garbage can.

No till was soon replaced the ROLS way because there is less labor and destruction to the living biomass you're trying to create. By tilling you create more work and destroy that delicate little environment you created in the container used.

Now the new term is simply, LOS or Living Organic Soil makes it easy. Still one pot no till.


Back to the question Hydra, LOS or CC mix or most of the recipes you could get by with just water only. Adding teas or nute solutions and enzymes only enhance growth like all those chemical growth hormones they sell in bottles.

Now in order to achieve this you need to start with quality materials and start building humus. Look up humus building and this link http://www.sierravistagrowers.net/growild/sites/default/files/Soil flocculation.pdf

When feeding a tea or nute solution typically the solution is ready and available especially the enzymes teas we make like SST etc. You need to be careful when using certain organic (natural) amendment teas you can risk burning especially small plants. Always start light.

Topdressing is more forgiving and a slower process. The microbes and other life forms breakdown organic matter creating humus. Topdressing is typically how farmers broadcast their amendments with tons of land. Making teas can be pain and I'm starting to learn unless they are live enzymes topdressing is much more lazy and makes sense since the microbes are doing the work for you.

Basically, I do 1 tea a week and 1 x IPM foliar per week. Everything else is automated via drip irrigation.

Hydra focus on long term. Don't be in this for the quick turnaround as soil takes time. Its only as good as what it's made from hence the lesson of humus building I have laid out for you.


Google humus building and start from there.
 

Hÿdra

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I just ordered the book, thanks!

I am making my soil this week here is my recipe: (chosen because i have most of the stuff already and im poor this month.)

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:
5 parts Canadian Spaghnam Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts wormcastings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETIZED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.

AND

Dry Ferts:
1 tablespoon blood meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
2 tablespoons bone meal per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of soil mix
1-tablespoon kelp meal per gallon or 1/2 cup per cubic foot of soil mix or Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract as directed

Ill be doing this with Teas to boost the soil goodies.
anything im missing that you would add?

P.s. how many pounds is 2 gallons of EWC approximately?

Cheers!
 

HB DC

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Paying 360 or even 280 an oz right now with the amount of medicine I need would be financially devastating on top of my thousands of $$ medical bills which most was BS that I have done better treated myself. Is there anything more you would like to know?
Nope... Super thread mate! Glad to see some folks are cultivating for their health and haven't been cut off like the rest of us.
 

thecoolman

New Member
If all of you are concerned about organic what your thoughts on the blood
and bone meal that is typically scraped off the slaughterhouse floor
and is full of hormones antibiotics and other poisons?
Do you use a certified organic source or have you ever considered alternatives
such as bat guano, certified pesticide free seed meal, green sand, rock phosphates etc etc
Also my understanding is there is a huge quality difference in worm castings
and there added benefit is partly dependent on what they are fed.
any thoughts?

PS- Yes Headtreep I have thought about mixing my own salts as of now
fertilizer is one of the cheaper aspects of my set up but I would like to
tweak the formula a bit and savings would for sure be a added benefit.
I need to find a good fertilizer PC program I heard hydro buddy is ok.
I would then tailor the formula around my lab tested leaf samples as well as results. I suppose I could talk to the lab down at peters fertilizer and see if they will
give me a recipe tailored to my NPK and micro requirements. Dr Cari Peters
has been very helpful in the past.
 

Azoned

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simple...I don't use that stuff. I scavenge and recycle. I do know of a couple of bat roosts that I can drive to, but too lazy to stop.
 
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