Any Organic Purists in Arizona?

honestly man i have no idea, because I feel like I totally understand what I'm doing and put it into practice correctly.

I try to build a decent soil with amendments like greensand, alfalfa meal, kelp meal, humic dust, gypsum, dolomite, castings, etc
then add lots of compost, some chicken/rabbit poo, homemade biochar ....I let it cook, and regularly use microbe teas and poop soup

and the plants look happy as can be, then about a month before harvest, buds quickly lose their stank and frost begins to stall

On a good note, I just took down 3 different phenos of NL (outdoor) that was done organic and though the flowers dried a little quick again, the hash is fire! made a cannoli with 100 micron dry sieve that melted back into a gooey puddle by the next morning, then took that same trim and blasted it to make the best oil I've ever seen.
It is a fast finisher though, 50 days. Maybe that helped me beat the usual stallout, and finish a little better? idk, but I was happy this time, best organic grow for sure

It sounds like you have very little phosphorous in the mix
the manures have some but often not enough in relation to nitrogen for flowering.
Also be aware that green sand NPK values vary tremendously depending on the source
many have almost no P and some even have very little k

I would suggest adding rock phosphate and/or fish bone meal and watching the flowers swell.
I would also check on the NPK of the green sand I was using as it may have a near 0 value. The best method of course is to send off for a soil analyses.

i use fish bone meal in the mix too, forgot that one. a soil analysis is a good idea, but organics is supposed to be easy. also i feed regular poop soups along the way, so that should help regulate NPK shortages imo. initially when I amend the soil, it's geared toward a flowering mix so I aim for lower N and higher PK in the soil, then come in with teas and stuff as maintenance or when I feel like they need it. I also use 0-7-0 budswel in week 5 and 6, I try hard to not become deficient but something somewhere isn't doing what it should, idk

do you use DE..diatomatiious earth in your "mix". Silica is one of those thing you don't hear much about. Yoir outdoor...IDK. It is hard to not get results. I like Sat dom strains and 12wk is not too long for me. I have time.

headtreep said:

GSC Thin mints

Gota Kola and Betal leaf

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I'd love to get a taste of what that ends up giving you... here is Candyland (Platinum Bay Cookies x GDP) at day 32 I got off another farmer here... this one looks like the biggest yielder of the three and is the most cookie dominant we have,.. Wish the pics did it better justice there is some good purpling coming in through the green

I'm down to smoke. That GSC pheno is no doubt one of the best Ive ever seen or smoked. Potent A+. I'm very selective on what I keep and don't get attached to most of my collection except for a few which are for my personal medical problems or things I promised I would keep for someone.

Been doing much research to help you guys out who run sealed rooms and this goes for any type of media. I'm a big fan of environments and have access to some clean room design books not that I would need to go to such drastic measures.

Let's keep positive and help mankind. Seriously.....

Those who run co2 where do you keep you levels and why? How about and night? What are temps and normal RH?

Check this out if you are serious about learning and improving your overall yields and quality.

[h=1]Greenhouse Condensation Control: Understanding and Using Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD)[/h]http://ohioline.osu.edu/aex-fact/0804.html

http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/30/4/846.5.abstract

headtreep said:

Those who run co2 where do you keep you levels and why? How about and night? What are temps and normal RH?

Check this out if you are serious about learning and improving your overall yields and quality.

Greenhouse Condensation Control: Understanding and Using Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD)

http://ohioline.osu.edu/aex-fact/0804.html

http://hortsci.ashspublications.org/content/30/4/846.5.abstract

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I use a titan saturn 3 and a commercial dehumidifier / humidifer to maintain my humidity and co2 levels. The minisplit handles temperatures. I run my co2/ temps and rh high for the first 4 or 5 weeks. Drop everything down in the finishing stages. VPD definitely helps , especially in high light environment. I find the buds that are nearest my A/C that get super cold tend to be frostier , but the plants yield a lot less. Future rooms I build will focus more on distributing the A/C equally throughout the area.

I use a titan controller (atlas 3) with a co2 burner myself along with some 65 pint dehumidifiers
and a mitsubichi mini split in the flower room. You have to be very careful using VPD rates with mmj since
anything near most typical greenhouse VPD rates will surely cause bud mold! typical Greenhouse crops
run a VPD under 1.25 flowering mmj should usually be around 2 or more. As VPD goes down humidity goes
up. Check out the calculator. http://autogrow.com/downloads/download-software-and-drivers
The article sighted from horti science ran equivalents of 65%- 75% humidity. Way more than I would run in bloom but ok for earlier growth.

thecoolman said:

I use a titan controller (atlas 3) with a co2 burner myself along with some 65 pint dehumidifiers
and a mitsubichi mini split in the flower room. You have to be very careful using VPD rates with mmj since
anything near most typical greenhouse VPD rates will surely cause bud mold! typical Greenhouse crops
run a VPD under 1.25 flowering mmj should usually be around 2 or more. As VPD goes down humidity goes
up. Check out the calculator. http://autogrow.com/downloads/download-software-and-drivers
The article sighted from horti science ran equivalents of 65%- 75% humidity. Way more than I would run in bloom but ok for earlier growth.

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Sounds like a nice set up I was having some nasty transplant shock when I was moving from flouro to 5kw flower room ... seems to have been fixed by high humidity though. I run up to 70 % RH in the first few weeks of flower.

All nice setups and explanations of vpd but what levels of co2 are you running day/night?

I'm curious because some are still running at 1200-1500ppm. What do you consider a proper range?

I run up to 70 % RH in the first few weeks of flower[/QUOTE

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Good idea wish I could but I run a perpetual set up and try to keep it no more than 40% in flower

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800+ ppm is good for all stages, I prefer 1100 + early in flower and then just drop it to 550 for the remainder. .. 4 - 5 weeks of increased co2 seems to help, after that point seems detrimental to final product. That's just what I see though and it seems all strains respond differently to each situation (heat , light intensity, humidity, c02) Co 2 is the final thing to get in line if you have temp and humidity dialed, otherwise mostly useless.

I used to run 1400 if doing a full crop in room cutting it way back after 5 weeks. For perpetual I run around 750-1000 all the way through (somewhat dependent on strains). For full crops temps of about 85 for first 4 weeks or so in bloom. If I am chasing purps sometimes I drop night temps to 60 for a week or so near finish. Certain strains don't seem to handle as much co2 late in bloom with out adding a little leafiness

Any of u guys try this .http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/grd/4075282359.html

Great thread fellas, you've given a wealth of knowledge in a few short pages .. Thank you.

I'm currently popping some Pure Kush and Blue Dream beans I inherited .. hoping for some healthy, lovely ladies. Salud!

thecoolman said:

I used to run 1400 if doing a full crop in room cutting it way back after 5 weeks. For perpetual I run around 750-1000 all the way through (somewhat dependent on strains). For full crops temps of about 85 for first 4 weeks or so in bloom. If I am chasing purps sometimes I drop night temps to 60 for a week or so near finish. Certain strains don't seem to handle as much co2 late in bloom with out adding a little leafiness

Any of u guys try this .http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/grd/4075282359.html

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Nice find on craigslist man... looks like a quality outfit. I have bought some wormcastings that had some wasp larvae in them that were sorta menacing to deal with indoors... lol For a full two weeks they were hatching. Good luck !

Man i had these black bug's they looked like wasp but weren't out of some compost. when i first started. Id be nervous as fuck when i would go into that bathroom. after a while i think the bugs recognized me and didn't freak out when i went in there as much. They became security bugs.....LOL

You should see how many bugs come with mine hahahaha.......


Wasp larvae in wormcastings LAMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly guys it's been fun but you should do some more reading before posting such nonsense, lol.

It was cool to start another conversation but I'm over trying to get through to people who just don't get it. Out of bandwidth.

where did "the soil is alive" go?