canndo
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thanks!
Anybody know of a research chemical that feels like a opiate?
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canndo
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of I recall, duck, it was not out of the question. The trip reports I tracked down described something underwhelming, that, a new supply of more conventional items and the trouble of making dilutions held me back. One of the reports had me interested however. An individual was sent a small number of sticks upon the ends were a dried paste or latex
I recall he was delighted with the results but gave the remainder away.
I can only speculate as to why.
in my family, we acknowlege the difficulty of human memory and perception. We know that we tend to fill in gaps using our imagination. So unless we are sure we often say "but I could be making that up"
so... I could be making that up.
LIBERTYCHICKEN
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You cant realy put much stock in whatever #'s they give compared to morphine
rember stuff like suboxone and kratom are many times the strenth of morphine
coloradotoad
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I wouldnt put morphine or heroin in same class as buprenorphine you could due to its small dosage also bups contain antagoinist which can send into withdrawls if taken wrong also one of the strongest is crocdile now 2to3 ppl in states have tried it look on you tube DESOMORPHINE the buzz is ment intense but only lasts an hour but it takes as long to make just ask would you take tht
coloradotoad
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Suboxone or subutex are strong but the monkey wax is most potent thing we know kratom has not been tested as a pain killer its a legal high an shouldnt be confused with opiates also as i said temgesic aka suboxone is shit drug ive used butrans patches for last year made me ffing puke nasty drug also bups dont make a good pain killer or even a buzz thts why they give them mainly to addicts one to stop withdrawls and 2 stop abuse also desomorphine is stronger then subs peace
LIBERTYCHICKEN
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The alck's in kratom have ben tested as pain killers, at least 2 of them have opiate activity ,So technicaly their a opioid, 1 of the alck's is many times more potent than morphine
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7-Hydroxymitragynine (mitragynine hydroxyindolenine) is a terpenoid indole alkaloid in the plant Mitragyna speciosa, commonly known as Kratom. It has opioid agonistic activity.[2] "The potency, calculated using pD (2) values, was 30-fold higher than that of mitragynine and 17-fold higher than that of morphine, respectively. Antagonism of naloxone on concentration-response curves for 7-hydroxymitragynine confirmed its opioid effect. These results suggest that the opioid effect of M. speciosa is mostly based on the activity of 7-hydroxymitragynine." One notable distinction between 7-hydroxymitragynine and traditional opioids is that 7-hydroxymitragynine does not cause hypoventilation (respiratory depression) and therefore does not carry the primary safety risk associated with traditional opioids.[3]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-hydroxymitragynine
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7-Hydroxymitragynine (mitragynine hydroxyindolenine) is a terpenoid indole alkaloid in the plant Mitragyna speciosa, commonly known as Kratom. It has opioid agonistic activity.[2] "The potency, calculated using pD (2) values, was 30-fold higher than that of mitragynine and 17-fold higher than that of morphine, respectively. Antagonism of naloxone on concentration-response curves for 7-hydroxymitragynine confirmed its opioid effect. These results suggest that the opioid effect of M. speciosa is mostly based on the activity of 7-hydroxymitragynine." One notable distinction between 7-hydroxymitragynine and traditional opioids is that 7-hydroxymitragynine does not cause hypoventilation (respiratory depression) and therefore does not carry the primary safety risk associated with traditional opioids.[3]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-hydroxymitragynine
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LIBERTYCHICKEN
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You cant trust the box about suboxone , Yes it cotains antagoinist(s) , first the narcan , is not oraly, or sublingualy actice when injected a 8/2 mg stip is still not active becouse the bupe fits into the receptors much tighter . Bupe it's self is a partial antagoinist , this is why it has the potential to send someone into withdrawls , but only when someone (some addict) uses it to soon after a normal opiate / opioid
coloradotoad
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I get what your saying about kratom look up DESOMOPRHINE please an wiki peadia i can write in that also lol its intresting but again the kratom i read about doesnt confirm its an opiate based it can be used as a stimuliant also ypu forgot FENATYL
coloradotoad
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Kartom is not a,1st class pain killer ketamine is a pain killer an a anesthetic thts stronger
coloradotoad
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With kratom youve to take grams upon grams to get a affect if you get any so how can you call pain killer if one time it works next time nothing please im eagar to learn
coloradotoad
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With subutex temgesic cant be adminstered as often as heroin .also heroin is german for hero so i know a lot about pain i could prove to a degree what im saying bups are mainly 99 % usrd for are opiate abusers fact my pain is chronic but ppl on about getting the highness not power in the meds to cure pain thts abuse so to doesnt count kratom if it was good it be used
coloradotoad
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