Anyone done a grow with Illumitex?

I see the Illumitex NeoSol DS rated at 520 watts and going for over $2K. Is it justified?

Can't find much in the way of anyone documented running them so I've got to ask. Where are the gardens?

http://www.illumitex.com/illumitex-advantages-cannabis-cultivation/

nothing is worth that much, my T5's work just as well.

http://www.hydrofarm.com/product.php?itemid=15930

The NeoSol DS is an LED plant growth fixture designed to produce high Photosynthetically Active Radiation (PAR) values with unsurpassed beam uniformity and excellent light utilization. The NeoSol DS is suitable for a wide range of horticulture lighting applications including propagation of vegetative or flowering plants in grow tents or compact growing areas. It may be used in vertically stacked orientation of two or more layers of grow trays and NeoSol fixtures.

FEATURES
• Ultra-precision beam control
• Patented LED technology
• Dimmable down to 10%
• 1000W HID equivalent at 50% energy savings
• Uses 96 Illumitex Surexi F3 LEDs

BENEFITS
• Slim fixture design
• Lightweight
• No assembly required
• IP66 rated drivers and LED bar construction
• 5-year warranty

SPECIFICATIONS
• Input voltage: 120VAC
• 520 watts
• Eight 48" extruded aluminum LED bars and formed aluminum end caps and housing
• Removable 15' cord and 3-prong plug
• Integral 530mA drivers and manual dimming via top-mounted dimming knob
• Finish: Clear anodized on bars; forest green powder-coat on housing
• Environmental Rating: IP66
• RoHS compliant
• ETL/cETL Listed
• IP66 rated

I've seen all the specs and at first glance they do look impressive in that they're passively cooled and with their physical size they would cover a 4 x 4 area nicely but what bothers me is they talk alot about how much intensity they deliver to the canopy and for the life of me I can't find their PPF anywhere yet they claim they deliver more light to the plant surface than any other LED on the market.

Mouser sells them and actually carries inventory.

Illumitex uses custom wavelength combinations to alter the photosynthesis and/or photomorphogenesis response of the target plant. The breakthrough Digital Distribtution™ technology allows Illumitex LEDs to deliver more light to the plant surface than any other LED on the market.

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http://www.mouser.com/new/illumitex/illumitexhorticulture/

GreenGene had a DS and hated it. I've never seen a completed grow with an Illumitex panel. I use their F1s in my veg cab and their F3s in my flowering cab but I'm running a DIY rig in my flowering space and that runs anywhere from 5 to 6 F3s per square ft. Illumitex were linking to a grow with a DS but it seems that ended for whatever reason. Good LEDs but avoid their panels. They seem to be in the sales business not the mmj business if you know what I mean.

Here's the latest attempt I know of at growing weed with an Illumitex based panel but it's not a DS,
http://rollitup.org/t/neosol-ns-3x3-tray.844253/


They still make T5s????? How cute.

"For example, Illumitex’s NeoSol DS emits a PPF of 720µmol. By comparison, a 600W HPS emits a PPF of 690µmol,"
http://www.illumitex.com/ppfd-growers-best-friend/

http://www.illumitex.com/files/ppfd-calc.php

Nice find Fran! Well isn't that interesting. Buried in the site and only running up against a 600 huh? I guess matching the DS up against the thouie at 1300 uMol/s was not in their best interest. Every other comparison they run is against 1000 watt HPS.

Illumitex, BML and Sunlight LED spec's got a thorough once over. Click the logo's at the bottom of the page. Hyperlinks to the mfg's specs are inside.

http://www.inda-gro.com/IG/?q=faq-page#n36

Amazing in it's totality.

Notice how that Illumitex review was a bit longer than the others? That's called reaping what you sow .
http://www.illumitex.com/photo-study-induction-vs-led/
http://www.illumitex.com/illumitex-helps-green-spirit-farms-grow-good-local-food/
Illumitex’s groundbreaking LED grow lights will replace induction lighting in Green Spirit’s existing vertical farm operations and will be the sole lighting source for expansion farms the company is planning.

And I love how they looked at BML too, a company that markets and talks like Illumitex which isn't much of a coincidence actually. Too bad BML didn't learn about cooling LEDs while they studied marketing .

Illumitex had more to pick on since they act like they're all about the 'research'. For a company that has all these large projects under the belt why is that the only two testimonials they post up is two relatively small projects that run IG and Illumitex had to gift them the one Neosol DS each they're now putting all the marketing energy on? I just tired of seeing all their bullshit claims and no serious gardens to track their results. I have tried on at least 3 occasions to get Illumitex to do a side by side with their Neosol DS against the IG420 with or without the Pontoon. That offer still stands. They won't do it.

The way the BML side of things shaped up is I believe they are joined at the hip with Illumtex at some level. Neither one makes an LED product that would compete with the Hans, Apache's, A-51 I've seen on these forums or are they willing to propel their designs forward from skilled growers giving them feedback. The Sunlight LED was almost embarrassingly simple to debunk with what they toss out for public consumption.

What this little exercise pointed out is just how slimy these marketing claims get and the so called 'majors' which I feel they might be put in check if they are exposed for what they re in public forums. IG is praying for a Cease and Desist. They subscribe to the wonderfully appropriate adage left to us by the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, 'Sunlight is the Best Disinfectant'.

chazbolin said:

Illumitex had more to pick on since they act like they're all about the 'research'. For a company that has all these large projects under the belt why is that the only two testimonials they post up is two relatively small projects that run IG and Illumitex had to gift them the one Neosol DS each they're now putting all the marketing energy on?

I just tired of seeing all their bullshit claims and no serious gardens to track their results. I have tried on at least 3 occasions to get Illumitex to do a side by side with their Neosol DS against the IG420 with or without the Pontoon. That offer still stands. The way the BML side of things shaped up is I believe they are joined at the hip with Illumtex at some level. Neither one makes an LED product that would compete with the Hans, Apache's, A-51 I've seen on these forums or are they willing to propel their designs forward from skilled growers giving them feedback. The Sunlight LED was almost embarrassingly simple to debunk with what they toss out for public consumption.

What this little exercise pointed out is just how slimy these marketing claims get and the so called 'majors' which I feel they might be put in check if they are exposed for what they re in public forums. IG is praying for a Cease and Desist. They subscribe to the wonderfully appropriate adage left to us by the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, 'Sunlight is the Best Disinfectant'.

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I tried with illumitex a few times too. So did Darryl. No response. BML guys used to work for illumitex and left and started their own company with the same design. just like if you or me started flipping "Indy Bro lights" and copying Ig to the T.

You can find a better light for a better price these illumitex are pretty over priced.

Digimax by sunlight supply. Now this...... is a hammer.

Yodaweed said:

You can find a better light for a better price these illumitex are pretty over priced.

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if you read the posts. No one is looking to buy the illumitex. Chaz is looking for proof of their false claims. They claim to.out perform all led and all induction. Yet they refuse to do any comparison grows.

I highly doubt they would outperform an apachetech light from what I seen they are pretty much equal to a 1000w HPS but give higher quality buds.

I have a BML SPYDR 600, but with my own spectrum blend

It's ~ 340w and does a damned good job for flowering, but without control over the reds there is too much stretch when vegging sats

I harvested ~ 340g dry bud

The bars get pretty warm. I did a simple fix.. I used a fairly high volume fan to blow across it and the canopy. Afterwards, the bars were only luke warm. According to BML this made it more efficient

I am currently revegging the smaller of the 2 plants (Med-Man Silver Skunk Bx1) that I flowered under it.

This time she has the light all to herself and is probably going to be ~ 300g all by herself

PetFlora said:

I have a BML SPYDR 600, but with my own spectrum blend

It's ~ 340w and does a damned good job for flowering, but without control over the reds there is too much stretch when vegging sats

I harvested ~ 340g dry bud

The bars get pretty warm. I did a simple fix.. I used a fairly high volume fan to blow across it and the canopy. Afterwards, the bars were only luke warm. According to BML this made it more efficient

I am currently revegging the smaller of the 2 plants (Med-Man Silver Skunk Bx1) that I flowered under it.

This time she has the light all to herself and is probably going to be ~ 300g all by herself

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Don't make more false claims pet...you did not harvest 340g or 1g/w. You harvested...

PetFlora said:

Again, gpw is deceiving
One plant was 53 gms, the other 210
If both plants were same as the big one then right at 1 gpw
Also I was already a couple weeks into flower when I got it
A couple growers have commented vegging with led is amazing,
so that should up the ante

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I don't care what it could have been. That fact was that it wasn't. I have ~120g of small buds and larf that I never even reference in all my grows. If it didn't actually happen or isn't good enough for a club(size and quality)...it doesn't get reported. Now you may have different standards as to what is usable buds...but you CAN NOT be reporting what you THINK should have happened.
If your other plant was bigger...I guarantee that the big one wouldn't be as big. So until you actually pull 340g in one grow...DON'T FUCKING LIE about your yields. People already don't believe you...don't dig your self a bottomless pit you will never get out of.

Dawg hit 8oz with one plant and only 5oz with the other...did he report 1lb under 310w...HELL NO!

To correct you, I had 2 plants under the SPYDR

FYI YOU liked my post # 221 dated May 30 (thread link below). so you were following and saw 2 plants, so...?

People don't like me?

It seems like you don't, but that's on you

I report the facts, INCLUDING my mistakes

1. Big Mex - 222g dry (see pic on scale)
2. BBCC (which I am revegging now, by herself) 118g (can't find the pic on the scale),

Pics of both can be seen in my thread https://www.rollitup.org/t/mixing-white-multi-spectrum-chip-leds-to-grow-medman-silver-skunk-bx1.801171/

Forums are full of posts that report inflated yields from growers using 'superior' products and methods. The rare exception to that is always refreshing. What my pitch to bitch about is the insane claims the manufacturers are making to promote their products. Claims that can be debunked by informed industry types doing an analysis of those manufacturers documents to point out any flim flam that is found.

The manufacturers who do this type of marketing are only perpetuating the myth that there are NO other technologies other that HID that will bring the goods. So while threads found in ROI forums will quickly ferret out the real from the ridiculous there remains a pool of customers who would buy these products based on claimed performance. It is for those potential customers the product claims analysis was written. If one person reads one of those product claims analysis and comes away thinking that they have more homework to do, than it will open their eyes to LED panels or perhaps an IG that do not embellish their products capabilities just to corner a sale.

PetFlora said:

To correct you, I had 2 plants under the SPYDR

So, did I lie?

Are you lying by inaccurately reporting what I did?

People don't like me?

It seems like you don't, but that's on you

I report the facts, INCLUDING my mistakes

Why do you stick your foot in your mouth?

1. Big Mex - 222g dry (see pic on scale)
2. BBCC (which I am revegging now, by herself) 118g (can't find the pic on the scale),

but pics of both can be seen in my thread https://www.rollitup.org/t/mixing-white-multi-spectrum-chip-leds-to-grow-medman-silver-skunk-bx1.801171/

FYI YOU liked my post # 221 dated May 30. so you were following and saw 2 plants, so...?

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The pic you just showed of the 222g...it came form here where it clearly says it was only 53g's...you forgot to zero out...and is BBCC(shorty)...not big mex.

PetFlora said:

WOW

I just budded out Shorty- 53gms

The pic shows 222, but I forgot to zero out the vessel

While final trimming I decided to try a bit of the triched out leaf bits

WOW

Considering that BMM has ~ 4xs as much (and the buds are much heavier), looks like I will easily hit 454

For you GWP guys, that's would be 1.25 gpw

And since the 2 plants were so physically different, it's the reason why using it as a measure of anything is meaningless

WOW...

I AM RIPPED

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and we all know it's only gonna' get mo' betta from here

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And the big mex actually according to your thread and pics...yielded 210g...

PetFlora said:

BMM Weighed

Sigh, I was overly optimistic

I did get the 4xs as much right though

Still

210gms, trimmed and dry

is not chump change

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Then if we really want to get picky...you should be doing a g/KwH analysis because you did introduced 2 extra bars(33%more power) for a couple weeks at the end.


I have gone over your thread a few times now and I still see it as 210g(hmm)+53g(bbcc)=264g. I have quoted more than enough to show where you said all that...And the quote I started with in my first response to you even has you saying 210 +53. I will apologize if you can show me clearly what your yields were and from what plants...otherwise I have a better place for my foot...