greenghost420
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looking for a decent recipe to make some cannabis sodas. i could make cannabis ice cream and throw some into some rootbeer for a cannabis float...any thoughts? thanks, now roll it up...
...The big problem with trying to make a soda is getting a lipid to dissolve in water without alcohol or bromination. The dispensaries havent really figured it out yet, they try to use glycerin but this is a poor solvent and using too much makes a sudsy soda, so everything Ive seen offered is pretty weak and low potency.
So Im going to let you in on a secret, on how to make high potency water tinctures, in this case soda pop. First, make some hash oil. We wont go into the how here, but it needs to be BHO, CO2, or steam distilled. Now, let us say we want to make one soda: Take one oral dose of your oil (differs for everyone, but I find 30-50mg to be great, but 100-200 mg is more painkilling), and dissolve it in an equal measure of d-limonene. limonene is a great solvent, and a 50/50 mix of hard wax oil and limonene is free flowing and thin, and is a small enough amount to ingest. limonene is GRAS, a natural component of marijuana and oranges, and tastes like oranges, so dont have any reservations about drinking it, its great. Now, take your orange smelling tablespoon or so of oil/limonene mix, throw it in a glass, add a shot of simple syrup (sugar water), then fill with chilled club soda. You now have a glass of clear, dyeless and preservative free, 100% natural, medicated orange soda.
This process can be scaled up of course, and you can use up to 5 grams of wax in a glass before you have to use enough limonene that it tastes bad to dissolve it. Limonene is widely available online, check Ama and Ebs, but be sure to get food grade. Shouldnt cost more than $10/quart, even in non bulk amounts.
Dont like orange soda? you can make unflavored extract by complexing the wax in cyclodextrins - get some beta-hydroxylpropylcyclodextrin. Sounds complicated, but is a cheap sugar, about $5 a gram in small amounts. While your oil is still being extracted, after 90% of the solvent (butane or co2) has evaped off, add twice the volume in the evaporate dish of cyclodextrin, then cure/purge as you normally would,just do it for twice as long as normal. The cyclodextrin has a lipophillic interior and hydrophillic interior, and will encapsulate the oil and render it dissolveable in water. This has the added effect of making your oil more bioavailable and more ready to cross the BBB. Mix twice the amount of this treated oil as you would with untreated into your glass of club soda/ sugar/ flavor (if you choose to add flavor)
The latter technique is too complicated for most, but the limonene is easy and quick and I highly recommend it (makes a tasty orange soda too). If you want a potent soda, theres no better way to go.
Quite welcome, I see you have a heavy chemistry background and will fit in perfectly on RIU. Welcome to the boards!Oh my yes cyclodextrins are fun, not just in terms of making lipids water soluable, but in increasing bioavailabilty. For a reall kicker, isolate out the THC in your concreate, isomerize to THC-Acetate, then complex and inssufflate/IM (never IV complexed THC, burns like hell. THC must be esterfied for IV, as the CIA learned in the eighties lol). THC-Acetate is several times more potent that THC, and when its 100% more bioavailable bc its complexed, you can imagine... just have some CBD or other antipsychotic on hand, both pure THC and THC-Acetate will induce the weirdest jungle type hallucinations and the body load is really hot and uncomfortable.
Complexing things with cyclodextrins is more of an art than a science, though - the exact ratios of complexing varies from molecule to molecule, and hash oil is comprised of many different compounds, so I cant really give anything more exact than "add twice the volume and purge twice as long", so theres always some extra cyclodextrin that isnt complexed in the solution. Luckily thats not a problem as its mildly sweet and goes well with soda. Just be sure to purge/cure your complexed concentrate for a really long time - some of the butane/co2 will be complexed as well and takes longer than normal to evap off due to encapsulation.
Thanks for the rep, it was my first ^.^
Agreed on this, he's in definite need of more rep - this is something brand new to the boards, and as of now.. is not posted on any other that I can see, in any semi-close/sane fashion as well. RIU on the bleeding edge as usual!i must graciously THANK YOU for this enlightening recipe. not easy sharing secrets but it sure is fun! i will make that orange soda as soon as i get some limonene. also thanks for putting up 2 recipes in one post! i must spread rep around before repping you again lol i just make some tootsies and caramels that came out good. but no cannabis chaser til now. have you made this recipe for yourself? it also sounds like that 2nd recipe can be added to other recipes with no fat/alcohol. new shit *cannabinoid water* the real vitamin water!