Application changes and confusion.

Tonedef1

Well-Known Member
Now patients are required to submit either: A copy of a RI Driver’s License, RI State ID or a copy of a lease agreement. This went into effect Dec 1st. Why the changes and what does it mean for applications sent before Dec 1st?

On one hand the regulations say an application must be approved or denied in 15 days (section 4.1)

On the new applications it says 4-6 week waiting times. It's a bit confusing, If they are required to approve or deny in 15 days has anyone held them to it?

DOH=:wall:
 

HghFlyrJD1

Active Member
That means IF u send in a COMPLETED app within 15days your SHOULD get a letter of denial IF u are gonna be denied..IF that does not happen figure your good to go.
 

Tonedef1

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That means IF u send in a COMPLETED app within 15days your SHOULD get a letter of denial IF u are gonna be denied..IF that does not happen figure your good to go.
Ok.. but that is not what it says.

It says: "4.1 The Department shall verify the information contained in an application or renewal submitted pursuant to the Act, and shall approve or deny an application or renewal within fifteen (15) days of receiving it.
4.2 The Department shall issue registry identification cards within five (5) days of approving an application or renewal, which shall expire two (2) years after the date of issuance.

Which means they have 20 days total to issue you a card... 15 days to approve or deny and 5 days to issue a card after the initial 15 days to approve. The app says the process is 4-6 weeks, that's 30-45 days which is way over the amount of days allowed by the REGULATIONS (law). We are expected to play by the rules, they should be also~ just saying.
 
As far as requiring identification they did in July when I got mine. I wasn't required to send it in just to show it when getting my card
 

madmikeri

Active Member
This has been talked about a few times already, here is a old reply I made on this issue.

Been away for a while with some health issues, but I would like to help clear this up. The law states...

(1) "Cardholder" means a qualifying patient, a primary caregiver, or a principal officer, board member, employee, volunteer, or agent of a compassion center who has been issued and possesses a valid registry identification card.

So if we want to be technical if you are in the program and forget your card at home, and get pulled over and have medication in your position… you are in violation of the law, your card only covers you if it is in your position. Will you win in court? Most likely, if you can afford to fight it.
The problem is the state budget. The volume of applications and renewals has gone up, but the state cannot afford to add the staff to keep up. Are they in violation of the law? Yes. Do we want to bitch about it and have them change the law to say … 90 or 120 days? Personally, I think I would rather leave things alone...
Just my 2 cents and hope everyone is doing well.
The most important thing you need to be a successful grower can't be taut or learned it is a trait that you either have or don't have. It is patience. if you dont have enough to wait the 30 or so days it takes to get your card.... your failure is inevitable.
 

Tonedef1

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This has been talked about a few times already, here is a old reply I made on this issue.



The most important thing you need to be a successful grower can't be taught or learned it is a trait that you either have or don't have. It is patience. if you don't have enough to wait the 30 or so days it takes to get your card.... your failure is inevitable.
Not trying to be a dick but it's our government.. we vote for the people that do the voting. So they can't just change things and they should follow the same regulations that they expect us to follow. I personally don't think government is a nameless faceless entity who has no one to answer to.

As for my inevitable failure... that's something different altogether. As a husband and father I have patience. But I don't practice do as I say not as I do. I don't take my RIGHT to medicate as a privilege. With all the misappropriated funds floating around this state a few more employees processing apps could be arranged.

Seriously tell a cancer patient to wait 4-6 weeks for an application to receive chemo or a AIDS pt. to wait 4-6 weeks on an application to get retrovirals and I'm sure people would be in an uproar.


Growing is not about patience... it's about knowledge and maintenance- true story :mrgreen:
Waiting to harvest requires patience..
 

HghFlyrJD1

Active Member
I agree they should get more workers and also process these faster...What we meant by PATIENCE is that if your in a rush you have to learn patients to get a harvest and understand its a plant and it only grows so fast.
 

Tonedef1

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I agree they should get more workers and also process these faster...What we meant by PATIENCE is that if your in a rush you have to learn patients to get a harvest and understand its a plant and it only grows so fast.
Ok.. but that has nothing to do with the situation I'm talking about. Me talking about broken policies has nothing to do with growing. I know how long it takes for a strain to flower unless your growing something your unfamiliar with its not guess work. My plants have never promised to be done in 20 days then took 4-6weeks. I took offense to the your failure is inevitable portion of the original reply. Not a very nice thing to say to someone you don't know imo, he doesn't know if I grow now or how long I've been growing or even if i intended on growing since my post was not about growing. The post is about laws :)

I'm not new to growing by any means (10+years) and tho we all have our failures I've learned from mine and have more successes.
 

Hobie

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one one re-up , I was expired for 30 days before I got my new card . I relied on my old card and copys of my new papers to get me threw the Gap . " dont worry , be happy "
 

Buddy232

Active Member
I don't think MadMike means to impose. This has been constructively talked about before and there is little changing it. For now it is what it is and the process we've almost down to a science, which is good as new patients and renewals know what to expect. No lapse's or waiting at the mailbox feeling forgotten about.

The DOH isn't following the law's set forward, no. But the DOH didn't write them, and also, there are other laws in the mmj regulations that aren't followed - let alone pages of common law which are ignored. It's easy to point a finger and spin in a circle.

Fact is, we live in the smallest state and we are strapped to the max. Plus, our mmj laws are almost brand new and they haven't changed much since they were introduced. I'm not sure if you've received your letter yet and physically obtained your "card", however back when I went - one person was working in a tiny little office. Only a couple people (when I was there, one) print all of the state issued cards for all of their various programs. Only a couple sorting all of those applications, fee's. If you haven't been - once you do and see the dead scene, you'll see why it may take longer than the law states. However I received mine in a timely manner, but was still advised by others to be prepared.

You seem to be forgetting the other protections as well. Not offically in the law, but the DOH is not the issuer of your reccomendation. They are simply an intermediary that records everything and makes you a state licensed patient. To be covered under the law, a doctor that you have a physical relationship with (general care, cariopractor, physical therapist) must certify that the benefits of mmj outweight the risks. You don't actually have to hold a card. The law doesn't say this because it promotes dishonesty, fraud, etc. however the certification and the DOH registration have nothing to do with eachother. The fact is evident with the law you mentioned (if you don't hear back from the DOH after 30 days, your certification is assumed valid). I guess they had to put this in the regulations for protection, as a "what if". What if the DOH lost your application. I'm pretty sure there has been a case in RI where someone was arrested for minor possession about 5 days after receiving their certification. Their case was immediately dissmissed.

Anyways. As an example, Maine, who has had mmj regulation longer than us. They have issued doctors a tamper proof paper now for people who don't want to register with the state. So if you would like to use your mmj status as legal justification, you need a card, which can be cross referenced with the state... or basically a laminated license issued from your doctor. I guess RI is going to have to do after I just opened my big fat mouth. :)
 
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