Archive Seed Bank

ManofTREE

ManofTREE

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I've literally got items in the cart for archive seed bank was thinking of scooping scotti face and moonbow. I think you're just banned ?
 
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5 watt diode

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I've literally got items in the cart for archive seed bank was thinking of scooping scotti face and moonbow. I think you're just banned ?
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I could be banned, try checking out. There were no payment options available. Not sure how he could ban individuals from using his website. the website is still up and youcan putitems in your cart but when you try to pay, there are no payment options available. Let me know ifyour able to check out and purchase.
 
DanKiller

DanKiller

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As you can see on all the forums , Archive rep has gone way way downhill from old times, no one is buying his gear, no one is growing his gear, almost no new reports or reviews.
He's a pollen chucker with a little bit better clones to start with that's all
I don't care if you chase a strain to make it perfect just to make seeds outta it that we growers need to hunt and spend much time and money on, that's pollen chucking at its finest.
And then ask ridiculous prices for those unworked lines.
For the last years I see him mostly bitch and cry over the boards, nothing of actual value and contribution to the community.
 
cannapotimus

cannapotimus

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5 watt diode said:
I agree with him though. He has some ridiculous prices. He is a pollen chucker. He does have better genetics to start with. And all he does is whine and complain and talk about himself like he is better than most. It's hard to like him as a person and the expedition line was the only line I thought was worth it
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The expedition line was all his untested gear he released after asking people if they wanted to buy untested seeds. I would argue that disclosure alone does make him better than most. All his lines are tested and seem to be worked at least somewhat. He does massive pheno hunts and only keeps the winners. That is going to cost money to do and i think it’s fair to charge more than others who aren’t going to those lengths.
I don’t think he is geared towards new growers who are popping 3 or 4 seeds at a time. He seems to be one of the people who remains truly passionate and is respected by other respected members of the scene.
I’m honestly curious who people think is doing better work than archive?
 
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Griffon

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In House and Exotic are pure Bull crap, Not Archive !! Expedition Line was not a good idea in my case, though Face OFF OG BX, Secret Formula and Rainbow Belts 3.0 are worth the high price, anyway with a bit of time and effort you could copy/cross them and use them for the rest of your life. ETHOS is another good breeder with decent price. In Europe Dutch Passion are great for high stability genetics and cheap price.
 
DanKiller

DanKiller

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cannapotimus said:
The expedition line was all his untested gear he released after asking people if they wanted to buy untested seeds. I would argue that disclosure alone does make him better than most. All his lines are tested and seem to be worked at least somewhat. He does massive pheno hunts and only keeps the winners. That is going to cost money to do and i think it’s fair to charge more than others who aren’t going to those lengths.
I don’t think he is geared towards new growers who are popping 3 or 4 seeds at a time. He seems to be one of the people who remains truly passionate and is respected by other respected members of the scene.
I’m honestly curious who people think is doing better work than archive?
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Huh ?
If you don't get a keeper or a plant that is mostly like the mother you started with within 3-4 seeds, your not a breeder, and your seeds are not tested.
Have you seen the tests yourself ? Or you just make up fictitious data to support your notion ?

You can do massive pheno hunts and keep whatever, if you don't breed the line aka making it consistent (in the seeds you make outta those lines) to the traits you want, again you are not breeding, you are pollen chucking and counting on your name and strain names to sell your maybe and probably miss gear.

You have it all wrong, I have nothing against Archive, quite the opposite, I love him, love his gear, love his pioneering work over the years and iconic strains he was able to get to over the years
But to call him a breeder ? Boy don't make me laugh my ribs hurt
Go look up the definition of breeding, making a true breeding seed line (in short, just seeds that carry 80-90%+ like mother traits each one) takes years, and a lot of money and space.
No breeder is doing this today, name sales, not actual work.
 
cannapotimus

cannapotimus

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DanKiller said:
Huh ?
If you don't get a keeper or a plant that is mostly like the mother you started with within 3-4 seeds, your not a breeder, and your seeds are not tested.
Have you seen the tests yourself ? Or you just make up fictitious data to support your notion ?

You can do massive pheno hunts and keep whatever, if you don't breed the line aka making it consistent (in the seeds you make outta those lines) to the traits you want, again you are not breeding, you are pollen chucking and counting on your name and strain names to sell your maybe and probably miss gear.

You have it all wrong, I have nothing against Archive, quite the opposite, I love him, love his gear, love his pioneering work over the years and iconic strains he was able to get to over the years
But to call him a breeder ? Boy don't make me laugh my ribs hurt
Go look up the definition of breeding, making a true breeding seed line (in short, just seeds that carry 80-90%+ like mother traits each one) takes years, and a lot of money and space.
No breeder is doing this today, name sales, not actual work.
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I do agree about breeding being the wrong term for what is being done in 95% of the work today but I still don’t know who has done better in previous years besides any sort of landrace genetics that took years to produce.
I think the best you can hope for today is someone who is passionate about what they do, and tries to produce the best possible quality they can with the resources available to them. From what I can tell archive is one of those people.
 
DanKiller

DanKiller

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I'm with you on that buddy, not against you.
To advise you on who does this kind of work and should you buy you already answered it, 95% are there to give you a chance, not to do the work.
The seeds these guys sell are lottery tickets, not proven work, used to be yes, you are right, that's why they have that rep in the first place, but doing the work they did is not beneficial to their pockets these days, so you know how it goes from here, downhill.
I will never give you recommendations based on hype and market clout as I like many other planted a lot of seeds over the years that turned out bunk even though they were from top notch breeders
So, I just plant whatever I can, hoping to win this lottery someday.
Till this day, and I said it a lot of times, the best seed I planted in the last 6 years was a bagseed from some outdoor I bought, nothing fancy, but the plants that came out we're very good, better than 95% of the seeds I bought for a lot of money.
 
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Griffon

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@DanKiller How can you know Archive doesn't make any selection for their breed ?? They launch like 10 new strains or less per year, Breeder like Exotic who launch 15 to 20 new strains per month are a bit suspicious for the pheno hunt and stabilization process. Most of their F1/F2 genetics worth exactly like the seeds we produce at home. 10$ for 10 seeds.
 
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DanKiller

DanKiller

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He does make selections, without selections you wouldn't have elite/special phenos that we have today, but the distance between a good plant and seeds that replicate that plant is huge.
sometimes it's not, but very rare.
It's actually very simple, when ur a true breeder you do the work
When your a pollen chucker we do the work for you.
 
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5 watt diode

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cannapotimus said:
The expedition line was all his untested gear he released after asking people if they wanted to buy untested seeds. I would argue that disclosure alone does make him better than most. All his lines are tested and seem to be worked at least somewhat. He does massive pheno hunts and only keeps the winners. That is going to cost money to do and i think it’s fair to charge more than others who aren’t going to those lengths.
I don’t think he is geared towards new growers who are popping 3 or 4 seeds at a time. He seems to be one of the people who remains truly passionate and is respected by other respected members of the scene.
I’m honestly curious who people think is doing better work than archive?
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That's the problem,like I said he does have great genetics. But his personality makes it hard for me to recommend him.
DanKiller said:
He does make selections, without selections you wouldn't have elite/special phenos that we have today, but the distance between a good plant and seeds that replicate that plant is huge.
sometimes it's not, but very rare.
It's actually very simple, when ur a true breeder you do the work
When your a pollen chucker we do the work for you.
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Most notable breeder that does business this way is clearwater. As soon as people hype a strain in his discord he ups the price on said strain. 100 new strains every year and just waits for one ro become a hit. And the pricing on clones it outofthis world.
 
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