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Herbie's seeds make threw new york bro so I u be good I'm from PA so
Yey now I could identified the hermie. It is CodeBlue1 not CodeBlue2Hello, news @ the dogshit & catpiss front
HomeBox L - 400W Philips Greenpower - AAW - Nutriculture Ebb Flow
Day 17 12/12
11xCodeBlue1
2xPoochieLove2
1x CodeBlue1
Seedsmother 6 month old
(Above screens from 55W tester with same clones)
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Now I'm a little bit afraid of the results, because of the seeds @ 55W tester
I think the seeds came from CodeBlue2, it was the ffirst with signs and red pistils.
I keep a eye on it.
Need Help!
I'm not sure if I found the first signs @ these 400W grow.
CodeBlue2 develope very little bright balls in the headbud and some sidebuds @day 14. I can't find some in the lower flower.
@ Day16 I found the same little bright development @ PoochieLove2
It's only IN the flower, not on sterm or branches.
CodeBlue1 has NO bright balls, I can see pistles only.
Is this a sign of hermie or indica buddevelopment?
I couldn't get a better picture with 400W
CodeBlue2 bright ball, there are 2-3 per flower
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It has the best smell that I ever smelled and has a very vigor growth. I give her a second chance after reveg some clone generation, I read many times that clone generations will reduce the herm trait @ og crosses. I will test it in the next run. Need this stinky bitch 
I have researched a little bit and found ONLY reports of hermi codeblue. "google: firestax buyer beware codeblue", there are 3 people with 90% herms @codeblue pack.
The question is, why thadocta sell codeblue since years? It is obvious unstable.
The plant popped some nanners in the lower. Im sure, there was no stress!
Now Im trying to catch all nanners and spray some water after plugging.
Here a picture of the little nightmare:
Lightgreen2k
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Desinger Og clone. Pheno hunted. Look at the branching.
Hey guys,
First post but definitely not new to the game, been at it since 2008 when Mi started their med program. Anyways, I fired up a pack of the dosi #9 f2s and ended up with seven females. Fast forward to week 3/4 of flower and I noticed two of the ladies dropped full on sacks at the base of most of the lower buds. They were full on hermi so they had to go. One week later another one chucked some nannas but only one pod so far so I'll let it ride and keep a sharp eye on it. Unfortunately, im definitely getting seeds now in my koffee f2s, sinmints, and stardawg ix.
I'm totally kicking myself for breaking one of my golden rules which is to never let a new strain get to big before being flowered. However, I was lulled into a false sense of security thinking that archive stabilized their gear before release. Definitely, has a higher herm rate than the 5% he's claiming.
Just a bit of grow info for the dosis:
Grown in canna coco
Used nothing but canna base on these with a bit of cal/mag (total ppms never exceeding 950 @ .7 scale)
Multiple 1000w nanolux de
Humidity kept at 50%
Day temp range 72-76
Night temp 65-68
First post but definitely not new to the game, been at it since 2008 when Mi started their med program. Anyways, I fired up a pack of the dosi #9 f2s and ended up with seven females. Fast forward to week 3/4 of flower and I noticed two of the ladies dropped full on sacks at the base of most of the lower buds. They were full on hermi so they had to go. One week later another one chucked some nannas but only one pod so far so I'll let it ride and keep a sharp eye on it. Unfortunately, im definitely getting seeds now in my koffee f2s, sinmints, and stardawg ix.
I'm totally kicking myself for breaking one of my golden rules which is to never let a new strain get to big before being flowered. However, I was lulled into a false sense of security thinking that archive stabilized their gear before release. Definitely, has a higher herm rate than the 5% he's claiming.
Just a bit of grow info for the dosis:
Grown in canna coco
Used nothing but canna base on these with a bit of cal/mag (total ppms never exceeding 950 @ .7 scale)
Multiple 1000w nanolux de
Humidity kept at 50%
Day temp range 72-76
Night temp 65-68
greencropper
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fresh drop of all the hotties @ tude
killAgreenguy
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The sweeties almost finished
Odin*
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I’m about 5.5 on the Scooby’s. Culled 6 males. (or was it more?), 2 in the first week of bloom, the rest before even making it out of veg. Left with 5 females, a few look like “duds”.
However, it looks like I have exactly what I wanted; 1- Exceptional Face Off (OG) dom pheno, 1- Exceptional Platinum GSC dom pheno.
Face Off pheno displays slight GSC influence in looks/nose/frost, but the OG really comes through. OVERWHELMING OG nose, almost burns your sinuses. Sticky, really sticky. I pinched a sugar leaf (base of the bud), mid-plant. It was like pinching a ball of sap off of a pine. I felt the goo mash (it was thick), completely stuck, the leaf tore as I pulled my fingers apart. This is sticky on the level of my “M’s” (Animal Cookie crosses), GSC, GG4 (even stickier than GG4), etc. Very light green/blue (almost “aqua”), but faint purple highlights are showing up. Impressed, looking forward to the “Pepsi Challenge”.
Platinum GSC pheno is similar in bud structure to my M4, but has the “long and lanky” OG growth. This pheno looks just like the images put out by Archive (Docta). GSC nose, with Face Off OG coming through on the back end. Very pretty.
However, it looks like I have exactly what I wanted; 1- Exceptional Face Off (OG) dom pheno, 1- Exceptional Platinum GSC dom pheno.
Face Off pheno displays slight GSC influence in looks/nose/frost, but the OG really comes through. OVERWHELMING OG nose, almost burns your sinuses. Sticky, really sticky. I pinched a sugar leaf (base of the bud), mid-plant. It was like pinching a ball of sap off of a pine. I felt the goo mash (it was thick), completely stuck, the leaf tore as I pulled my fingers apart. This is sticky on the level of my “M’s” (Animal Cookie crosses), GSC, GG4 (even stickier than GG4), etc. Very light green/blue (almost “aqua”), but faint purple highlights are showing up. Impressed, looking forward to the “Pepsi Challenge”.
Platinum GSC pheno is similar in bud structure to my M4, but has the “long and lanky” OG growth. This pheno looks just like the images put out by Archive (Docta). GSC nose, with Face Off OG coming through on the back end. Very pretty.
How she doing
Smokeyla11
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Wow, I've been out the game for a few years, between work and moving, getting married and kids...last I even looked at MJ forums was right after GG#4 was coming out....my how things have changed! How is it that MJ keeps getting cheaper and cheaper with legalization/medical and yet "breeders" prices are still going up?
I hold the exact opposite position than Dr.noob, I don't swing on anyone's nuts and grab cheeks believing that bs... DO NOT compare cuts to seeds, apples and oranges...seeds do not garentee a pheno like a cut does and so does not deserve anywhere close to that price. Good thing there's plenty of seeders with reasonable prices and that's not a knock on Doc, his business, his seeds, his prices...but from posts of grows on this forum I see, maybe there should have been either further testing for herms and/or disclaimers that testing was not as thorough as should have been.
I hold the exact opposite position than Dr.noob, I don't swing on anyone's nuts and grab cheeks believing that bs... DO NOT compare cuts to seeds, apples and oranges...seeds do not garentee a pheno like a cut does and so does not deserve anywhere close to that price. Good thing there's plenty of seeders with reasonable prices and that's not a knock on Doc, his business, his seeds, his prices...but from posts of grows on this forum I see, maybe there should have been either further testing for herms and/or disclaimers that testing was not as thorough as should have been.
BustinScales510
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No one curr.
higher self
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Archive has heat! Wish packs of those face off crosses would come back. Wonder what Archive is cooking up next?
40AmpstoFreedom
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Breeder's prices aren't the issue it is having to have middle men do all the selling since nearly all of it is going across state lines and to foreign countries + the fact it is the most regulated industry in the world. Extreme regulation being the main culprit. Seeds are cheap especially for the return and quality. Doing actual line breeding or high number selections I would never sell a pack for under 150$ straight from breeder (so double that with a middle man because all of the seed banks want to at least double the cost to pad the risk they take. You cannot do this sort of work without risking mandatory minimum 10+ years even in 'legal' states. We aren't even getting into the severe loss of profit by producing seed instead of product and dealing with hundreds of different phenos instead of a clone which produces the same quality and weight every time. Good luck trying to bring hundreds or even a few different phenos of buds to the market....
There is a reason even when it was the hay-day in Amsterdam and you could run hundreds or thousands for proper selections that still to this day all the major breeders charge 150$ even straight from the breeder for a pack of seeds. Real line work is an incredible upfront investment by the breeder that comes with huge risks of being completely worthless in further generations. Now he did not do line work here, but he did do high pop testing on some of the lines and I do believe him when he says he did for many reasons I will list in following paragraphs. After all why would you do line work vs. high pop selection on strains that are already so fuckin inbred they grow at the rate of a Sequoia Tree in the winter? Or are so lanky and weak and already known to be S1's (light speed inbreeding) possibly higher...
1998-2005 = 150$-300$ a pack of seeds from the good breeders who did line work. I spent 200$ all day long on all of brother's grimm work and his results spoke volumes of the work actually done on the lines and same goes for all old dutch breeders too. People seem to be incredibly clueless how much work goes into line breeding even the non-landrace strains we have today much less work on the level of Shanti, DP, Sensi, etc.
I always find it amazing people will spend 50$ to fill their gas tank, 100$ on shoes, 100$ on sweater or shirt, 400$ on just a gaming console no extras, all of which only gas will possibly bring some sort of return profit vs. spending 100-200$ on a pack of seeds that can easily return thousands of dollars just growing a single pack out...Hell, I can't think of a single product out there that can either save you thousands or make you thousands like a pack of MJ seeds. Can anyone else?
How much was your TV? Your phone? Your furniture? How much profit do those items bring you? Don't sell weed just grow? Okay, fair enough, how much does the yield from a single plant save you vs. buying on the market?
Having said that if someone wanted to really bitch about this guys product + pricing the only real reason to be pissed off is the complete lack of information provided on not only how they were bred and what selections were made and why (see Ace Seeds descriptions go to his forum read any thread stickied if you want to see what a real breeder and company do in this area for comparison), but not even a grow, terpene (smell) profile, or smoke report. That is a valid real issue here. The cost by it self is a non-factor based on returns or savings.
And yes you definitely can find multiple life time worthy keeper phenos out of nearly every line he has released simply based on the genetics used. He is using genetics where all the work has been done for him over many generations. You would have to be completely incompetent when it comes to selecting breeding material to not have a good product as long the genes used are what he says and we have 0 reason to not believe they are and every reason to believe his genetics are 110% legit. I also give credence to his claims he did high volume selections (on dosidos and face off) because he most certainly had every opportunity to do mass selections because of the people he has worked with, where they worked, and the amount of weed these places were producing...He would have been a complete moron to not take advantage of that. As much as I hate his douche bag attitude and complete lack of even basic information fact is fact and I have more than enough experience to understand the cost of high population selections and selling seeds to understand the price of beans.
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40AmpstoFreedom
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I edited that a few times above to add more sorry just finished it and consider it complete ^
Observe & Report
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It's not just the price, though there are plenty of good seeds available through the same middlemen for half as much or less. Those seeds have just as much "breeding" in them as Archive (which is apparently not that much.)
It's not just the complete lack of info about the strains, which leads many to believe they aren't tested, much less "bred." Seed makers that show off their work are an exception these days.
You say selection is worth money but what selections is he doing? Everything he sells other than the DosiDos F2's are straight chucks, no selection. I see no F1 hybrids made from stabilized parents, no IBLs.
You mention his "douche bag attitude" but that's really the main thing that sets Archive apart from dozens of other seed makers. He rips on breeders that "steal" his shit but Archive is totally built on strains not bred by them. You think he has permission to breed with Face Off? Fuck no, nobody even knows who bred it. Same with 90% of the other cuts that Archive is chucking. I wouldn't be surprised if the "Face Off" name and "my friend hooked me up with some bag seeds" story are made up to obscure the true origins.
Don't give money to assholes.
It's not just the complete lack of info about the strains, which leads many to believe they aren't tested, much less "bred." Seed makers that show off their work are an exception these days.
You say selection is worth money but what selections is he doing? Everything he sells other than the DosiDos F2's are straight chucks, no selection. I see no F1 hybrids made from stabilized parents, no IBLs.
You mention his "douche bag attitude" but that's really the main thing that sets Archive apart from dozens of other seed makers. He rips on breeders that "steal" his shit but Archive is totally built on strains not bred by them. You think he has permission to breed with Face Off? Fuck no, nobody even knows who bred it. Same with 90% of the other cuts that Archive is chucking. I wouldn't be surprised if the "Face Off" name and "my friend hooked me up with some bag seeds" story are made up to obscure the true origins.
Don't give money to assholes.
Jp.the.pope
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I like archive.
I have 2 designer og females and a kings stash moving I to the big room tonight. Will post pics once they grow into their new shoes.
I have 2 designer og females and a kings stash moving I to the big room tonight. Will post pics once they grow into their new shoes.
40AmpstoFreedom
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I don't disagree for the most part. I don't believe he did any testing at all other than face off and Dosidos to be clear. When I say high pop selection those are the ones I believe he did what he claims. Like the new releases, I seriously doubt there was any testing whatsoever since he himself said that on icmag and then deleted, which is why there are 0 descriptions. If you want to sell something you definitely provide the best information you can, especially if you are trying to compete at the top of an industry, and there is still 0 out there even after his promises of proof.
And yeah the whole thing with people trying to stake claim on genes they had nothing to do with creating, to the point they don't even know wtf they are, is incredibly disingenuous, hypocritical, and shitty.
Note as I wrote my replies a little confusing:
High Pop Testing = seeing if the line is worth a damn/any negatives before release to public.
High Pop selection = looking for suitable parents that meet your criteria whatever it may be.
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