Are Birthers racist or just plain stupid?

Airwave

Airwave

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Dstonegrl! said:
You have to ask yourself whether the birthers - those who doubt the validity of President Barack Obama’s birth certificate - are racist or just plain stupid. There don’t seem to be any other options. Last night, on NBC’s Nightly News with Brian Williams, former President Jimmy Carter said it all: “I think an overwhelming portion of the intensely demonstrated animosity toward President Barack Obama is based on the fact that he is a black man, that he is African-American." “Racism ... still exists and I think it has bubbled up to the surface because of a belief among many white people, not just in the south but around the country, that African-Americans are not qualified to lead this great country.” No matter what you think of Jimmy Carter, it’s hard to disagree with him on this one. The validity of President Obama’s birth certificate has been confirmed for more than a year, but birthers continue to question Obama's citizenship. On August 21, 2008 factcheck.org published the birth certificate and also the certificate number, so anyone can check it for themselves. On October 29, 2008, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, said that she and Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar of Vital Statistics and Chief of the Office of Health Status Monitoring, have both personally verified that the Hawaii Department of Health holds President Obama's original birth certificate. But don’t confuse the birthers with facts. As recently as yesterday (9/16/09), birthers ignored important issues, such as the federal deficit and the War on Terror, and choose to comment instead on Obama’s eligibility to be President of the United States. See the comments posted on the Why Conservatives Lie To Us web page. Continuing to question Barack Obama's citizenship is definitely either racist or stupid. You decide which.
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People disagree with something you believe in, so you shout racism. No surprises there then.
You seem to think that shouting racism cowers people into submission, but that only works against the cowards. And the cowards don't matter.

You obviously had no problem with Gitmo, the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan, the patriot act and all it entails under Bush, right? Because these things are still happening, so if you had a problem with them under Bush, you must also have aproblem with them under Obama, right?
 
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clovergs99

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This is how STUPID some of you are ( the ones who think Obama does Not have a birth certificate). Do you really think you can become the PRESIDENT without showing a REAL Birth Certificate? C'mon you can't be that blinded by the fact that you do not wanna see a man of ANY color than white to not think he has showed and validated his certificate to the ones who matter. And trust me none of you here really matter so he is not gonna be worried about if you think he has one or not.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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clovergs99 said:
This is how STUPID some of you are ( the ones who think Obama does Not have a birth certificate). Do you really think you can become the PRESIDENT without showing a REAL Birth Certificate? C'mon you can't be that blinded by the fact that you do not wanna see a man of ANY color than white to not think he has showed and validated his certificate to the ones who matter. And trust me none of you here really matter so he is not gonna be worried about if you think he has one or not.
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Uhhh, he just DID become President without legally proving he is a natural born citizen ... hence the opposition from ppl who still believe in the constitution.
 
shnkrmn

shnkrmn

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How many jobs have you had that required you show a birth certificate? In such cases, I doubt that you trotted out the ORIGINAL which is probably on file in the town registrar's office . If you have one, it's a copy of the real one, just like Obama's. By your standards, I could not be president unless I went to the town hall where I was born and got the registrar there to give me my original birth certificate. She won't do it. She'll be happy to give me a certified copy (cerificate of live birth or whatever) but you won't accept it because there 'is questions of its validity'.

You started this post to straighten Kjar out with some facts (he's native-born too, you don't have to assume he needs help) but you didn't provide a single useful fact except YOU have never seen Obama's original birth certificate (I guess that means you discount Orly Taitz' Kenyan BC :bigjoint:)

Keenly said:
see kjar, you are thinking rationally, but you do not have all the facts to bounce around in your head


obama has never shown an actual birth certificate


hence all the speculation...what does he have to hide?


i mean, if i go in for a job, and they ask to see my birth certificate

i show it to them, and thats that



obama however, has not once shown his birth certificate, not a single time, and has in fact paid quite a large sum of money to make sure no one ever see's it



what was released was not the same as a genuine birth certificate, and there is questions of its validity
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redivider

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lopezri said:
Did you expect THIS particular news cast to show anything other than something like that? It was Aljazeera news! So now you libbies are just being plain open about being on the terrorists side?
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us "libbies" aren't on the terrorist's side... get that out of you're head because it's not true.

i didn't see anything about supporting terrorist groups. i saw a bunch of clips of white, christian, small-town, simple-minded folk giving us a demonstration of how out of touch with reality they are. i'm sure there were people at the rally that were not wack-jobs. but when you have a guy using thoughts like the following as his foundation for backing a candidate: "when you have a nigger in the white house you need a first stringer, he looks like a second stringer"... no allusion to his actual policies, no reason why palin or mccain would be a better choice... just race, and a football analogy that isn't even well supported.... and another guy saying: "i believe he's filled with the holy spirit"...........gives you just a glimpse at what you are dealing with when dealing with some of the "base" of the conservative movement....:wall::wall:
 
lopezri

lopezri

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Have you noticed the word "racist" now covers the WHOLE gamut of stereotype. Anything where a person may have even a slight opinion about somebody of a different race (such as "Muslims all wear Do-rags) to the whole "he's inferior to me because I'm white and he's black" opinion. Why is the definition of this word so blurry and undefined? Racist used to just mean that a person thought his/her race was superior to anothers. NOW that Obama took office it means that you can't even have a difference of opinion with a Democrat unless you want to be tagged as a racist. The whole thing about "political correctness" and pulling the race card has gotten out of hand!

My disagreement with Obama on his refusal to produce his original birth certificate, his screwed up foreign policies, and his socialized ideals of domestic policy have nothing to do with my opinion about Poor Ole' Johnny Black Boy down the street who can't get ahead because he's just too damn lazy to get out of bed.
 
lopezri

lopezri

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redivider said:
us "libbies" aren't on the terrorist's side... get that out of you're head because it's not true.

i didn't see anything about supporting terrorist groups. i saw a bunch of clips of white, christian, small-town, simple-minded folk giving us a demonstration of how out of touch with reality they are. i'm sure there were people at the rally that were not wack-jobs. but when you have a guy using thoughts like the following as his foundation for backing a candidate: "when you have a nigger in the white house you need a first stringer, he looks like a second stringer"... no allusion to his actual policies, no reason why palin or mccain would be a better choice... just race, and a football analogy that isn't even well supported.... and another guy saying: "i believe he's filled with the holy spirit"...........gives you just a glimpse at what you are dealing with when dealing with some of the "base" of the conservative movement....:wall::wall:
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You obviously missed my point. The point is that the Libbies are in step with this media just as much as they are in step with their own liberal media (CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS) that just so happens to editorialize and marginalize their story and this rally just to make it appear that only wack jobs ARE conservative.

You know there are just as many wack jobs on the liberal side of things too, they just don't get aired because the liberal medias edit those clips out so the Democratic party appears to be moderate.
 
jeff f

jeff f

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londonfog said:
crazy azz guy who fuckin lost it...very very sad...terrorist well if that makes you happy to put a label on it then a terrorist he will be,,,,now what do we do...so you calling him a terrorist now what ...what....do we go blow up another country...I never understand these arguments...was Timothy McVeigh a terrorist.. ...What about Charles Manson..fuck hell what about Scott Roeder...all killers ....all killed American for some sick ass reason....oh I get it you have to be Muslim and kill in order to be a terrorist..only in America
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timothy mcveigh was put to death and charles manson, except for doin it in a fucked up state like cali, would have been put to death. hasan has not been put to death yet but hopefully will be soon.

however, the fuckheads who are preaching for the hasans of the world to kill americans or anybody who is not like them, havenot been put to death yet. so, if invading a country that has this attitude and activily seeks to torrorize our people, YOUR FUCKING RIGHT WE INVADE!!

all you pansies who think these barbarians should be ignored, ignore them at your own peril. these 4th century rejects aint goin anywhere on there own. to kill the snake, cut off its head. :wall:
 
jeff f

jeff f

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Leothwyn said:
I guess the kool aid reference was clever the first dozen or so times... do people still think it is? It's getting to be such a cliche around here. After a few hundred times, it's about as far from clever as you can get. Please, somebody come up with another one liner so the parrots can wear the new one out, and I can at least get a break from that old one.
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are you saying we are trapped in a paradigm?:lol::lol::lol: good one leo
 
jeff f

jeff f

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redivider said:
i didn't see anything about supporting terrorist groups. i saw a bunch of clips of white, christian, small-town, simple-minded folk giving us a demonstration of how out of touch with reality they are.
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so are you saying i couldnt go to the ghetto and find a bunch of ignorant black guys who say stupid shit? cmon dude, get off of race. these goofy fucks dont represent white americans any more than mr T represents black americans. you libs are always focused on race....hmmmm weird huh?
 
londonfog

londonfog

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jeff f said:
timothy mcveigh was put to death and charles manson, except for doin it in a fucked up state like cali, would have been put to death. hasan has not been put to death yet but hopefully will be soon.

however, the fuckheads who are preaching for the hasans of the world to kill americans or anybody who is not like them, havenot been put to death yet. so, if invading a country that has this attitude and activily seeks to torrorize our people, YOUR FUCKING RIGHT WE INVADE!!

all you pansies who think these barbarians should be ignored, ignore them at your own peril. these 4th century rejects aint goin anywhere on there own. to kill the snake, cut off its head. :wall:
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why are you online posting should you not be in the service invading...oh I see you just yell from the sidelines...and it was just more then Timothy Mcveigh who did all that killing, but I guess we will never know who and how many..wonder why ????
 
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ilkhan

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Manson would not have been put to death.
He never killed anyone.
Ever at all.
Hell, hes up for parole.
 
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Stephen420

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Racist and stupid are one in the same so I see no choice here.
If one believes for a second that this has to do with race they are sadly mistaken and probably should really cut back on the TV.
When I see TV BS regurgitated from anyone they have quickly revealed just how shallow they are. TV is not your friend and has put you were you are today believing lies and deceptions by speech writers to influence your thoughts and behaviors. The truth is there you have to seek to find, it isn't going to be on the 5 o'clock news, that is for certain.
Turn off the box and think out of it.
:peace:
 
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