Are cuts available cause im tired of seed hunting

xtsho · Aug 30, 2022

lusidghost said:
The people who bred your strains already did the work. Then they stabilized them, so each plant is pretty similar to the mother. If that's what you're looking for it isn't hard to find a keeper.

Yes I have done the work. I grow my own crosses many made using landraces and I don't have to go through 60 plants to find a keeper. But I don't keep clones so my plants end at harvest. I plant more seeds and find more keepers but I don't keep those either.

Cannabis growers over complicate everything. Going through 60 plants to finder a keeper is ridiculous as far as I'm concerned. I'm also not impressed with all these so called keeper cuts. Most stuff out there these days are just pollen chucks anyone can make anyway. Polyhybrid casserole being sold for ridiculous prices. I don't follow the hype or play that game as it's a waste of time.

I have crosses I've made and grew out one seed that was excellent. Grew out another and excellent as well.

Also, if these so called breeders have done the work then why do people talk about so many different phenos from a pack of seeds? I wouldn't even call what many of the seed outfits are doing breeding. It's especially bad with US outfits as many are nothing more than pollen chuckers. People slam the European outfits but most of the older European outfits are actually breeding and not just chucking pollen.

obijohn · Aug 30, 2022

Here in Cali clones in dispensaries are around $20 give or take. Perfect Union usually has a good variety of strains, never had bug or virus issues. For 2-3 bucks more you can get a larger, more well developed clone which can save you some time

lusidghost · Aug 30, 2022

xtsho said:
Yes I have done the work. I grow my own crosses many made using landraces and I don't have to go through 60 plants to find a keeper. But I don't keep clones so my plants end at harvest. I plant more seeds and find more keepers but I don't keep those either.

Cannabis growers over complicate everything. Going through 60 plants to finder a keeper is ridiculous as far as I'm concerned. I'm also not impressed with all these so called keeper cuts. Most stuff out there these days are just pollen chucks anyone can make anyway. Polyhybrid casserole being sold for ridiculous prices. I don't follow the hype or play that game as it's a waste of time.

I have crosses I've made and grew out one seed that was excellent. Grew out another and excellent as well.

Also, if these so called breeders have done the work then why do people talk about so many different phenos from a pack of seeds? I wouldn't even call what many of the seed outfits are doing breeding. It's especially bad with US outfits as many are nothing more than pollen chuckers. People slam the European outfits but most of the older European outfits are actually breeding and not just chucking pollen.

My point was the people sorting through 60 seeds aren't typically doing it with anything higher than an f1. All of the stable strains had to go through this process. The strains you started with were already sorted through, and then stabilized. I personally like chucked strains for this reason.

Grow Monster · Aug 30, 2022

lusidghost said:
You're still growing weed though. It's not like you're ending up with a bunch of tomatoes until you come across that elite pheno.

Quick question then. Why or why not just clone, take a cut and repeat instead of hosting a mother. Pros and cons? Just makes more since to me (with minimum knowledge).

lusidghost · Aug 30, 2022

Grow Monster said:
Quick question then. Why or why not just clone, take a cut and repeat instead of hosting a mother. Pros and cons? Just makes more since to me (with minimum knowledge).

One reason is you can keep more strains than what you're currently growing. Also timing. I don't have the room to veg plants for 10+ weeks while I wait for the current run to be harvested. I hate flowering monster cropped plants. Also if you plan to someday sell them, or just keep the pheno alive while growing new strains.

lusidghost · Aug 30, 2022

Also if your clones don't take for whatever reason, you'll have to monster crop. That takes forever if you are on a fixed schedule. If the monster cropped clones don't take, you'll have to reveg. It can get kind of scary.

Grow Monster · Aug 30, 2022

I monster cropped these 4. My first clones to go this far. Had boys before so I got rid of em. It took these so long to finally reveg and show progress that it thru my timed grows off. So now I'm jammed packed in the tent. Just flipped the light on em 3 days ago. Should have more room for em in a few weeks.

Funkentelechy · Aug 31, 2022

lusidghost said:
My point was the people sorting through 60 seeds aren't typically doing it with anything higher than an f1.

Actually, F1's are generally fairly stable as far as expression, more stable, expression-wise, than the F2-F4 generations. As you breed them past F1 the recessive genes pair up and will throw out all sorts of weird expressions that have to be selectively bred out for a few generations to achieve true stabilization.

Personally, after switching from growing from clone to growing from seed I've had a better percentage rate of plants that I really enjoy.

There is an assumption that to quote the OP "with a cut you know exactly what ur getting", in theory this is true and it is a reasonable assumption, but this relies on the people involved getting it right. Unfortunately, the clone market is rife with fake cuts from people not paying enough attention and mixing up trays of clones, or intentionally passing one cut off as another. I grew with clones for years and switched to seeds specifically because I was getting tired of buying a cut and then growing it out only to find that it was not the strain that I was trying to buy, it was incorrectly labeled, either intentionally or unintentionally. I tried several different sources of clones.

I'm sure there are clone distributors that are more reliable than others, but the assumption that with a cut you are getting something of a known quality relies on trust and unfortunately in this business, I don't trust anyone. Think about how common it is that there is multiple versions of almost every popular cut on the market. Obviously only one(or none) of them is the true original cut, but if you want any cut you first have to choose which GSC(for example), or ECSD you want. How can that be, isn't it supposed to be one cut from one plant? The short obvious answer is that it isn't, and buying a clone relies on trust that it is what it says it is on the label.

Good luck in your search, I hope you are able find the quality of genes that you are looking for.

waterproof808 · Aug 31, 2022

Depending on the source, clones can come with just as many or more problems as hunting through seeds. You probably dont realize the number of people that have had their gardens plagued by dirty cuts and now they all vow to only grow from seed.

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