Are Hot Women attacted More to Bad Guys
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BarnBuster
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Doer
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I agree with a lot of some of that.
tyler.durden
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I've been with women who like to be treated like shit, and those that insist on being treated like a queen. IME, it seems that the simple Freudian explanation of what their relationship to their fathers was like is key. I once went out with two diametrically opposite women back to back: the first had a lousy relationship with her father (he ignored her for the most part and didn't support her when he wasn't ignoring her) and the second girl's father was very close to her and supported her fully. I lost the first girl to a former boyfriend who was a total asshole, and treated her as her father did. She was very honest with me stating that she was very uncomfortable with how well I treated her, as it didn't match up with what she thought she deserved. The second girl loved that attention a care I lavished upon her, and we ended up breaking up because I couldn't treat her as well as her father did. So, I'm looking for that girl in the Goldilocks zone that is 'just right' 
Beefbisquit
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Yeah I should have some 'some women' to be more accurate.
And by alpha males, I don't mean 'bro's'....
racerboy71
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i don't know if i buy into the whole fruedian thing as i know with my sister, my father couldn't have been more loving and caring towards her, and as a matter of fact, i'd say she was his favorite child of the four.. unless some freaky shit went on behind closed doors that i was unaware of, which i'm positive never happened, idk what to say honestly..I've been with women who like to be treated like shit, and those that insist on being treated like a queen. IME, it seems that the simple Freudian explanation of what their relationship to their fathers was like is key. I once went out with two diametrically opposite women back to back: the first had a lousy relationship with her father (he ignored her for the most part and didn't support her when he wasn't ignoring her) and the second girl's father was very close to her and supported her fully. I lost the first girl to a former boyfriend who was a total asshole, and treated her as her father did. She was very honest with me stating that she was very uncomfortable with how well I treated her, as it didn't match up with what she thought she deserved. The second girl loved that attention a care I lavished upon her, and we ended up breaking up because I couldn't treat her as well as her father did. So, I'm looking for that girl in the Goldilocks zone that is 'just right'
tyler.durden
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Does your sister share your view on her relationship with your father? It's the perception rather than the reality that would count for her...
You're a fine looking lady by any standards Sunni but the point made by Doer in the first post is correct.
My ex who I was with for 7 years was in a really abusive r'ship before we met, during those 7 years we had our ups and downs but I was never abusive in any way, I was far from an Angel but I never cheated and she knew I never would, I also trusted her with my life and luckily for me my life wasn't dependent on her cos she was f*cking around for the last 18 months or so and entered into another abusive r'ship so she was back where she started and that was her choice.
I get why relationships end but I don't get why some women want to spend their time with posessive and abusive men or even assholes who put them down constantly.
Now at 38 I find most women my age are only interested in a guys prospects and what he does for a living and if he is an asshole so be it.
I'm not saying all women or even the majority are like that but I've seen a lot of women like that over the years.
racerboy71
bud bootlegger
i would think so tyler, but who knows tbh, as she can have a whacked sense of reality at times for sure.. but i can't really see her getting things that out of shape though..
Hookabelly
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I see this a lot. It's got more to do w/ how the woman values herself than how she views the guy. If she feels she's worthless, she'll date the wanna be alpha males, who really aren't alphas at all just alpha assholes
I thought that was Waylon Jenning's who penned that:
Ladies love outlaws
Like babies love stray dogs
Ladies touch babies like a banker touches gold
Outlaws touch ladies somewhere deep down in their soul...
Not real alphas. True alphas don't have to be pushy or asshole-ish. They don't have to prove anything at all. They just "know" they are the alpha and that's it. Usually quieter, self assured w/o anything to prove. Confident, not abrasive and loud
LOL this!! well, the hair pulling is a matter of personal taste though
Hookabelly
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Doer, you're probably a sweet guy. Don't even mess with women like the ones described in your post. Nice ones are out there.
Padawanbater2
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It's a tough pill to swallow, but once you do, the lesson you learn is priceless
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tip top toker
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I'm not trying to say freudian theory is right or wrong, but just as a single piece of anecdotal evidence to counter your point. My gf has been abused by her dad, treated like shit, you name it, all her life. she loves me (i hope) because i'm caring and compassionate towards her, not someone who goes out and get pissed as a fart and get all shouty slamming doors around the house. And conversely a girl i had a bit of a thing with, she was treated like a princess at home, and she couldn't be gotten because she always gravitated back to assholes.I've been with women who like to be treated like shit, and those that insist on being treated like a queen. IME, it seems that the simple Freudian explanation of what their relationship to their fathers was like is key. I once went out with two diametrically opposite women back to back: the first had a lousy relationship with her father (he ignored her for the most part and didn't support her when he wasn't ignoring her) and the second girl's father was very close to her and supported her fully. I lost the first girl to a former boyfriend who was a total asshole, and treated her as her father did. She was very honest with me stating that she was very uncomfortable with how well I treated her, as it didn't match up with what she thought she deserved. The second girl loved that attention a care I lavished upon her, and we ended up breaking up because I couldn't treat her as well as her father did. So, I'm looking for that girl in the Goldilocks zone that is 'just right'
SirGreenThumb
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Women are attacked to men with confidence, a man that can provide and someone they could see as father figure. The females being spoken about in here are immature girls, not women. If you want a quick fling with some chick at a bar than yea, put on your bad boy persona and you'll get laid. If you treat a "girl" like shit she will stay because she feels there is something inadequate about herself and she is begging for you to be nice to her and she will stay and do whatever it takes to make you happy, right up until she finds herself and she makes that transition into womanhood and she leaves your ass.
Be yourself, if a woman cannot love you for you as a whole with all your faults then you need to find someone else who will accept you for who you are.
Be yourself, if a woman cannot love you for you as a whole with all your faults then you need to find someone else who will accept you for who you are.
eye exaggerate
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Just wanted to chime in and say that I liked this post. I can't like it, but I did like it.
tyler.durden
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I see what you're saying. While reading everyone's posts I'm starting to realize that it is probably the overall sense of self-esteem of the woman that determines how she prefers to be treated. The relationship with her father is probably a large piece of the puzzle, but by no means all of it. It just happens to be true IME, I qualified it as such. It's cool to read others' experiences. Interesting thread, good going, Doer...
collegedude
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Advice worth taking to heart. If you don't, you may very well be setting your life up for some unhappy times and only those who have done the same will comfort you
Hookabelly
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Nice. Very introspective. Well put
MellowFarmer
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I doubt I am in the only hot chick who gets angry to annoyed when some Ass thinks my panties will drop just because he is dropping a bunch of bills! I find it insulting tbh
http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-art-flourishing/201205/the-real-oedipal-complexI've been with women who like to be treated like shit, and those that insist on being treated like a queen. IME, it seems that the simple Freudian explanation of what their relationship to their fathers was like is key. I once went out with two diametrically opposite women back to back: the first had a lousy relationship with her father (he ignored her for the most part and didn't support her when he wasn't ignoring her) and the second girl's father was very close to her and supported her fully. I lost the first girl to a former boyfriend who was a total asshole, and treated her as her father did. She was very honest with me stating that she was very uncomfortable with how well I treated her, as it didn't match up with what she thought she deserved. The second girl loved that attention a care I lavished upon her, and we ended up breaking up because I couldn't treat her as well as her father did. So, I'm looking for that girl in the Goldilocks zone that is 'just right'
Before Oedipus was born, his father Laius was informed by an Oracle that if he had a son, Laius would die at his hand. Three days following his birth, Oedipus was given by his mother Jocasta to a shepherd, with instructions that he be cast away to perish. In other words: she abandoned her infant son to die. Discovered by another shepherd on a mountainside, Oedipus was brought to the childless King of Corinth, Polybus and his wife Merope, who raised him as their own son. Oedipus did not know that he was adopted.
When Oedipus was a young man he consulted the Oracle at Delphi who informed him that he was fated to be the slayer of the sire who begot him and to defile his mothers bed. Attempting to escape his destiny, and believing that Polybus and Merope were his biological parents, Oedipus fled Corinth, hoping to never see the fulfillment of the infamies foretold by his evil doom. In other words: he tried to protect his parents, not sleep with one and murder the other.
After he left his adoptive parents, Oedipus was rudely accosted on the road from Delphi to Thebes by the herald of a man in a carriage. Oedipus struck down the driver and then dueled with and killed his bosswhom he didnt know was Laius, his biological father.
After Oedipus solved the riddle of the Sphinx, the Sphinx threw herself upon the rocks and perished and the Thebans made Oedipus their King and gave him Jocasta, whom he didnt know was his biological mother, for a wife.
What Freud willfully omitted from his theory of the Oedipus complex were two terribly important facts about Sophocles play: Oedipus Rex begins with parental aggression and abandonment, not filial patricide or incestuous relations between a son and a mother. And the son with supposedly lustful wishes and murderous impulses actually tried to protect his parents and avoid the very fate Freud attributed to him.
The real power of Oedipus Rex lies not in the fact that it illustrates the Oedipus complexthat Oedipus was oedipalbut that it depicts a troubling and seemingly universal dimension of human behavior; the way we unwittingly create the fate we fear and abhor. Oedipus, like most of us, falls victim to what he frantically strove to avoid. We identify with Oedipus not because we wish to possess one parent and eliminate the other, but because we too end up precisely where we didnt want tothe woman who was abused as a child chooses partners who mistreat her; and the boy who was crushed by his marginal status in his family of origin unwittingly orchestrates his life so that as an adult he is repeatedly unseen and underappreciated. What Oedipus could teach us is how magnetic the pull is to repeat what we desperately wish to escape.
And a reading of Oedipus Rex shaped by a contemporary psychoanalytic understanding of human development can illuminate why. Fewer of us now share the ancient Greek belief that human beings are the playthings of the Gods. But increasing numbers of therapists realize that people are inextricably shaped by the specific relational contexts in which they are raised and later inhabit. In D. W. Winniocotts evocative words, there is no such thing as an infantthere are only specific babies/children raised by particular caregivers. If we are not beguiled by Freuds symptomatic misreading of the play and examine the particular familial context of Oedipus lifehis parents abandoned him and left him for deadthen what was done to him by his parents rather than something innate and troublesome inside of him (the wish to sleep with his mother and kill his father), is the real complex Oedipus labors under.
And when we greet the particular wounds and traumas we experience with the incomparable power of human understanding, it then becomes possible for us to comprehend and integrate what was done to us in the past instead of endlessly repeating it.