Are soil mothers superior to hydro mothers?
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Herb & Suds
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I never keep a mother clone to clone for me
I'm not asking which is easy to clone, any basic grower can get 100% success with whatever their style is, hollow stems or pithy stems, doesn't matter. I am also not asking about how they are grown out.
And Kaka, your comments suggest that hydro degrades a plant somehow. All I can tell you is that I didn't keep mothers for years and just took all my cuts from my veg rooms, so about 50 generations (cut from a cut from a cut from a cut) in hydro and I never saw any difference. Keeping mothers in hydro can be a pain because they require more care than soil mothers but that's a different issue. At this point you have basically added no knowledge to this conversation which is sad, I take it you are a experienced grower and yet you don't share your experience, just insults. Bring it up buddy, enlighten us on your opinions please, I know you got it in you.
And Kaka, your comments suggest that hydro degrades a plant somehow. All I can tell you is that I didn't keep mothers for years and just took all my cuts from my veg rooms, so about 50 generations (cut from a cut from a cut from a cut) in hydro and I never saw any difference. Keeping mothers in hydro can be a pain because they require more care than soil mothers but that's a different issue. At this point you have basically added no knowledge to this conversation which is sad, I take it you are a experienced grower and yet you don't share your experience, just insults. Bring it up buddy, enlighten us on your opinions please, I know you got it in you.
JSB99
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Yep, too many points of failure, for a plant you absolutely do not want to die.
LinguaPeel
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Yeah they do.
Tell me why Americans are so damn fat that they will surgically cut their stomach in half to lose weight? Why don't they just eat vitamins. (analogous to hydro) It's almost as if living things want to eat stuff that tastes good and actually benefit from it on a level only the most ignorant would need to wait on science to quantify.
Soul food... Grows a pot plant that feels radiant, even in photos. No pest problems. You can always a spot hydro in photos. Lifeless. Soulless, treated. Thin walled with minimal secondary metabolites that both keep the plant healthy and enjoyable to smoke.
Hydro is akin to taking a 12" bike tube and stretching it for a 26" tire.. For those who need science to get over this stupid hydro phase, you can see the difference in cell wall structure. Soil is akin to using the proper tube and good soil is buying the thick walled heavy duty tube. (Yet people still can't figure out why their bud smells like tea, when they've stretched that cell wall so thin, reinforced it with absolutely nothing on a microscopic basis, and let the minimal remaining defenses of the chemmy plant evaporate through that thin cell wall )
If it grows shit weed that needs pesticides, artificial sweetners, inexperienced customers and a freeze dryer (yet still drops trichs at room temp) why would you ever keep a mom in that condition..?
Plants most certainly do know if they are in soil or hydro, hence the different way they grow. Look, obviously some of you guys are making assumptions because you have never grown out 2 cuts from a hydro mother and a soil mother. I never thought having an honest conversation could be so difficult. Although I have not grown them out I have started a hydro mother from the soil mother I was gifted and I can tell you that the internal structure of the stem looks very different, both being healthy and looking great. The leafs from the hydro mother are larger but the stems from the soil mother has more pith. So ya, rocket science....there are differences.
And JSB, I have never managed to kill a plant in hydro over 20 years, you guys make it sound like it's so risky. If you are killing mothers it's got nothing to do with what style you grow, it's because you messed up.
And JSB, I have never managed to kill a plant in hydro over 20 years, you guys make it sound like it's so risky. If you are killing mothers it's got nothing to do with what style you grow, it's because you messed up.
JSB99
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You're right, I can't argue with that
Everything you say I agree with 100%. I grow in hydro not because it's a superior product, I grow in hydro to make more bud period. Just like cows fed with corn and pumped filled with antibiotics and all sorts of crap are bigger than naturally grass fed cows. Any grower who can't admit this is tripping. If you can't tell the difference then you are not an aficionado. But you also have to understand that there is a lot of crap weed grown in soil as well so one very might well smoke hydro which is better than soil they have tried, but all things being equal soil wins hands down.
So here is my hypothesis. If soil plants are superior to begin with, then cuts from soil mothers will give even a slight advantage to ones from hydro mothers if they are grown out in hydro.
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JohnDee
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Nutrition isn't going to change genetics...your question was answered awhile back. I see seeds offered for sale that are organically grown...like it's going to matter to a seed.
JD
I am not suggesting that it would change genetics John. I've already made it very clear what I am suggesting and it has nothing to do with genetics.
John how many plants from cuts grown in hydro and how many cuts from plants grown in soil have you grown out? Hundreds of each? Dozens of each? Or have you always grown with cuts sourced from the same type?
It amazes me that people can readily accept that bulbs matter, water matters, air matters, everything matters, but the type of mother doesn't matter?
John how many plants from cuts grown in hydro and how many cuts from plants grown in soil have you grown out? Hundreds of each? Dozens of each? Or have you always grown with cuts sourced from the same type?
It amazes me that people can readily accept that bulbs matter, water matters, air matters, everything matters, but the type of mother doesn't matter?
New Age United
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Wtf is pith??? Did I miss something in the last 15 years?
justoutforarip
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I always take cuts from my mother in soil and grow them in Hydro I find they take longer to get established than cuts taken from Hydro moms I've had. Eventually however they have less pith like any hydro plant. The cuts taken from Hydro moms seem to establish faster but that could just be my imagination.
JohnDee
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Hundreds I would say...did sea of green for years. But I confess that when doing hydro back then...I kept Moms in soil.
Now Moms are in coco like most of my plants. And my coco plants have solid stems...I always thought that was genetic rather then growing style.
Good luck on your search for answers.
JD
JohnDee
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You probably know it as xylem...
Thank you for sharing this. Was not expecting that.
Thank you