ARE THERE ANY EXPERIENCED SOIL GROWERS WHO USES NUTES?

I am a little confused as to using nutes for soil.
Ive read so much to the point that i only ended up with no its not good and yes it is good. What made sense to me was the post that said using nutes forfeits the purpose of organics. I seek wisdom from the wise one.

Heres some basic facts until the pros pop in:

If your going Organic (No Chemical Salts) you will be feeding the microbiology in the soil, which in turn helps breakdown everything, making nurtrients in the soil readily available to the plant to take up. Using teas you will have to apply often, if you ammend the soil with proper materials, you will just sit and watch, adding Teas if necessary.

If your Going Chemical you just mix it with water every other watering as per instructions (although many growers say to go 1/4 to 1/2 strength first)
The chemicals are harsh and do not make for a healthy microbiology in the soil so the plant will need to rely on the food you will be giving it every other feeding.

Hence the reason soil growers use ORGANIC nuites....

Greenhouse;save said:

Hence the reason soil growers use ORGANIC nuites....

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I used Chems on one group this year (plant prod 20-20-20 plus)
Used Organic (Bat Guano, Kelp Extract) on another Group
Used NOTHING on another group which i didnt even water in the ground

The chems are doing fine, nice and bushy
The Organics are also doing great smaller, but very healthy looking
The plants left untreated are six feet tall monsters but not as bushy

Works in harmony with the zisosphere(excuse the spelling)'''

The untreated plant is in wot soil may I ask...

Greenhouse;save said:

The untreated plant is in wot soil may I ask...

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The natural sandy loam found in my area. No added nutrients, soils, peatmoss or anything.
Seedligns were in very small garden trays that went straight into the ground. The trays had untreated soil from my ma's garden\

All three groups are straight in the ground not in pots.

My apologies i didnt clarify an important thing...... Im using Roots Organic. If this makes a difference. Can nutes be used with soil mixes such as RO and FFOF? And thanks for your answers they all are equivalent of importance. I know sometimes the elders can become a bit agitated or impatient with the lack of knowledge of new growers. All of you are valued for sure.

gardengardian7 said:

My apologies i didnt clarify an important thing...... Im using Roots Organic. If this makes a difference. Can nutes be used with soil mixes such as RO and FFOF? And thanks for your answers they all are equivalent of importance. I know sometimes the elders can become a bit agitated or impatient with the lack of knowledge of new growers. All of you are valued for sure.

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OF has nutrients in it already and you will most likely burn your plant.

Check the NPK vaulue of any medium you use.

OF is hot for young seedlings as well although ive seen people use it sucessfully, not sure of the NPK value of RO you will find that on the bag.

And what do you mean by nutes lol...do you have any products

ErieR33FER said:

OF has nutrients in it already and you will most likely burn your plant.

Check the NPK vaulue of any medium you use.

OF is hot for young seedlings as well although ive seen people use it sucessfully, not sure of the NPK value of RO you will find that on the bag.

And what do you mean by nutes lol...do you have any products

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Understood. What i meant by "nutes" was did i need to use any nutes during veg and flower. I probably asked a newb question but im 36 years old so i had to ask with polish...lol But, i also wanted to know if using nutes in a already to use soil would help or go against nature....And you pretty much clarified what i was feeling in my gut. But i needed more understanding because anything i can do to enhance my first grow im all for it you know what i mean... But i apreciate all of you grower bro'ers

gardengardian7 said:

Understood. What i meant by "nutes" was did i need to use any nutes during veg and flower. I probably asked a newb question but im 36 years old so i had to ask with polish...lol But, i also wanted to know if using nutes in a already to use soil would help or go against nature....And you pretty much clarified what i was feeling in my gut. But i needed more understanding because anything i can do to enhance my first grow im all for it you know what i mean... But i apreciate all of you grower bro'ers

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I suggest you do some reading in the organic section of the forum...better yet read some books.

Or google.

Basically: find out if your soil has been fertilized. Whats the npk value of it, it should be labeled on teh bag as three numbers....?
If it has been fertalized you wont need to add nutrients untill flowering most likly.
If its a un fertilized medium, you will need to supplement.

With what?

Research.

a properly ammended soil can take you through an entire grow without adding anything but water. most comercial potting soils dont have enough nutrients to support a plant for an entire cycle thus the need to add nutrients in the later stages.

alot of people on this site practice what i like to call fool ferting, meaning they have no clue why they are adding fertilizers just that the big nutrient companies recomend it so they follow along with some redicules fertilizer schedule that is completly un neccesary.

gardengardian7 said:

Understood. What i meant by "nutes" was did i need to use any nutes during veg and flower. I probably asked a newb question but im 36 years old so i had to ask with polish...lol But, i also wanted to know if using nutes in a already to use soil would help or go against nature....And you pretty much clarified what i was feeling in my gut. But i needed more understanding because anything i can do to enhance my first grow im all for it you know what i mean... But i apreciate all of you grower bro'ers

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I see now.

Ok, with something like what you mention FFOF, FFHF, RO, POTTERS GOLD, DR. EARTH and many other well made organic soils. They will last about 25 -28 - 30 days and then require the use of supplemental nutrition.

I use POTTERS GOLD for seedlings (25 days no feeding but some Ca/Mg if I feel it needs it) and for the base for my "supersoil".

The use of synthetic nutrition does NOT have to be a bad thing for the plant!
Care for the living bio's in the soil by adding more at a regular time frame and feeding them once in a while with a nice tea and that goes a long way to a good finish.
Avoid nutrients that have Urea as the base for the N.
Add a good Kelp extract every once in a while for the added Humic and Fulvic acids which help the up take and can help control P (Fulvics help that).
Silica is a real good idea for use with synthetics (avoid Botanicare silica blast).

I still use synthetics for about 10% of my runs volume ( I have my reasons oh haters of anything synthetic). BUT,
Organics IS the way to go!

wish I could grow organic indoors. Tried it, but then I have little nasties crawling all over the place, like centipedes etc.

Not because of it organics insects have nothing to do with organic mate...

Greenhouse;save said:

Not because of it organics insects have nothing to do with organic mate...

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Im believing that you have about 20 bug bastards to deal with odg. At least they can be controlled indoor.

U can use any nutrients you want just go half strength... chemical nutrients get taken up quicker because organics is all about live soil that has to break the nutrient materials down into something the plants can consume ..Imo it's not really something to argue over there's not really a drastic difference. ..it's like eating all kinds of vegetables or drinking a v8 sure the v8 is not natural....but it still has all the nutrition. That The RAW Fruit does....The Salt In The Chemical ferts Can Cause A Lookout But If You Flush PROPERLY . U will be fine...it's a personal preference type thing!

In organics you feed the soil not the plants

I had a couple extra plants left over in small containers after I put the keepers in big pots, so i used them to do a little experimenting and one thing I noticed is that, soil web or not, with plants that have outgrown their pots, it seems to me that sometimes there isn't enough soil and microbial activity to break down organics rapidly. I had three plants that had outgrown their pots and were all pretty identical. On one of them I stayed organic, and on the other two I started feeding with Veg+Bloom Dirty (A chemical fert designed for soil) and the difference is crazy now, the organic one is still very small while the chem fed ones are exploding. It is worth noting however, that I also have plants in larger pots that haven't outgrown the pots and become root bound, some of which are organic and some of which have been fed with the Veg+Bloom Dirty, and in the plants that have large pots, I see no difference in size or vigour between the organics and chem fed. So maybe in plants that have become root bound, when there is very little soil left in the pot and it's mainly just roots, chem can provide the nutes in an form that the rootbound mass can easily absorb while organics fail to be broken down and utilized due to the lack of soil and soil web microbial activity. Wow I really had trouble keeping that concise, my bad. I can post pictures tomorrow when the sun comes up if anyone wants to see that I mean.

If u start off with a pot that is big enuff to sustain the type of plant u r growing then the rizospher will b able to cope with very little probs as long as u use the correct nuits remember food feeds rizospher that in turn feeds the plant..that's the plain and simple way of putting it although to go the scientific way would take forever to describe but it is available if u do a simple search about substrate soil...