Are there any smart Trump supporters?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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see4 said:
Did you have sex with William Wallace? It really seems as if William Wallace face fucked you.

In response to your comment, not quite. Being a "master" implies complete control. Nobody has complete control over someone unless they are incarcerated. You have a choice to NOT be represented by your representatives. You can vote them out of office or you can move, there are other options you have as well, but in the end whatever you decide is YOUR choice.
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No, I did not have sex with William Wallace, besides he's dead and unable to consent. Plus I'm into ladies.


The form of slavery you are under IS different than the one used on people in years past, nevertheless you and many others are still a slave.

Rather than extracting 100% of the fruit of labor of a few people, this form gets a smaller percentage cut, but it gets a cut from a larger pool of slaves and a larger pool of goods, events and exchanges. Smarter masters....dumber slaves is what happens today.

In fact in the old days the slaves had to be fed by the masters, now the masters let you take care of that and even give you travel passes and a few other privileges. You still don't have sovereignty over your own body or property though do you, Slave?

Also, you're wrong to be a slave doesn't require 100% of yourself being controlled, it only requires your being prevented from acting as if you and you alone own yourself, which is the obvious current state.




Voting? Now you just went full blown Stockholm Syndrome.

Choosing your master from a "heads they win, tails you lose" cast of douchebags isn't evidence of freedom, it is evidence of your mental capture, Slave.


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FauxRoux

FauxRoux

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Rob Roy said:
No, I did not have sex with William Wallace, besides he's dead and unable to consent. Plus I'm into ladies.


The form of slavery you are under IS different than the one used on people in years past, nevertheless you and many others are still a slave.

Rather than extracting 100% of the fruit of labor of a few people, this form gets a smaller percentage cut, but it gets a cut from a larger pool of slaves and a larger pool of goods, events and exchanges. Smarter masters....dumber slaves is what happens today.

In fact in the old days the slaves had to be fed by the masters, now the masters let you take care of that and even give you travel passes and a few other privileges. You still don't have sovereignty over your own body or property though do you, Slave?

Also, you're wrong to be a slave doesn't require 100% of yourself being controlled, it only requires your being prevented from acting as if you and you alone own yourself, which is the obvious current state.




Voting? Now you just went full blown Stockholm Syndrome.

Choosing your master from a "heads they win, tails you lose" cast of douchebags isn't evidence of freedom, it is evidence of your mental capture, Slave.


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Well I know someone who "took Roy off grid"

Roy: A Life Well Lived | Rick and Morty ....

Shiiiiit....and here I've been having a hard time getting past 50.

But seriously, your illusions in lack of choice sound more limiting then my illusions of freedom (which is a distinction thats not news to anyone objective). So for the tenth time, I respect your unrelenting non-conformity (I truly do) but maybe I was just raised by a better brand of outlaw then you. Every action has a consequence...if you can't stand the fire stay out of the kitchen. But don't tell me you don't have choices simply because you resent the repercussions of doing what you really want. That's as much on you as the system.

Or as 1 of my forbearers used to say every time I was leaving "remember kid, do whatever the fuck you want, just don't get caught."
 
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schuylaar

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FauxRoux said:
Well I know someone who "took Roy off grid"

Roy: A Life Well Lived | Rick and Morty ....

Shiiiiit....and here I've been having a hard time getting past 50.

But seriously, your illusions in lack of choice sound more limiting then my illusions of freedom (which is a distinction thats not news to anyone objective). So for the tenth time, I respect your unrelenting non-conformity (I truly do) but maybe I was just raised by a better brand of outlaw then you. Every action has a consequence...if you can't stand the fire stay out of the kitchen. But don't tell me you don't have choices simply because you resent the repercussions of doing what you really want. That's as much on you as the system.

Or as 1 of my forbearers used to say every time I was leaving "remember kid, do whatever the fuck you want, just don't get caught."
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and yet he's a slave to the very same electricity and other infrastructures that he complains.
 
see4

see4

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Rob Roy said:
No, I did not have sex with William Wallace, besides he's dead and unable to consent. Plus I'm into ladies.


The form of slavery you are under IS different than the one used on people in years past, nevertheless you and many others are still a slave.

Rather than extracting 100% of the fruit of labor of a few people, this form gets a smaller percentage cut, but it gets a cut from a larger pool of slaves and a larger pool of goods, events and exchanges. Smarter masters....dumber slaves is what happens today.

In fact in the old days the slaves had to be fed by the masters, now the masters let you take care of that and even give you travel passes and a few other privileges. You still don't have sovereignty over your own body or property though do you, Slave?

Also, you're wrong to be a slave doesn't require 100% of yourself being controlled, it only requires your being prevented from acting as if you and you alone own yourself, which is the obvious current state.




Voting? Now you just went full blown Stockholm Syndrome.

Choosing your master from a "heads they win, tails you lose" cast of douchebags isn't evidence of freedom, it is evidence of your mental capture, Slave.


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I suppose, by your own logic, hunter-gatherers were slaves. That is to say, since the dawn of man, we've been enslaved by our own recognizance. The men would hunt down and kill large game and were then forced to share their product of labor. Oh poor enslaved cave men.

Spare me old man. You're simply trying to argue that consenting sex with a minor is ok, Pedophile.
 
see4

see4

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FauxRoux said:
Well to play devils advocate...if for nothing other then arguments sake.....if I walk into baskin robins and they give me the choice between only the vanilla, chocolate and strawberry it could be argued that its not so much a choice as the illusion of choice...dangled in front of me like a carrot on a stick.
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I would argue that it's not an illusion at all, it's quite real, you have a choice to take what they offer you or leave and find a place that does offer what you want. Just as Rob has a choice to stick around, pay taxes and live with and participate in society as everyone else does. Or he has the choice to leave and find someplace that offers him what he wants.

Which is why I asked him specifically what country on this planet offers what he wants. He was not able to answer the question.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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schuylaar said:
fail red..you need to read the WHOLE article, idiot..I did and it begins with the misconception that poor people are the only ones that don't pay taxes..lets see..it takes $30k to live and breathe so if someone's income is $20k due to LOW WAGES that are stagnant having that person not pay taxes seems a bit justified than someone who makes $1M and pays no taxes through system manipulation.

the article goes on to show you with pictures even that it IS the wealthy that are shirking their social contract with America.

I really dislike when people don't follow through..what other areas of your life do you take the shortcut or easy way out?
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You failed to understand the article, dummy. So someone making $20,000 is already dead according to you?
"people don't follow through"..."easy way out" .......Abandons kids to ex-husband to raise, lives on welfare because refuses to work.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
I can't believe this is so hard for you folks to wrap your head around, the question was, "are there any wealthy folks who pay '0' taxes"...proof was provided that directly answered your question. They took advantage and manipulated the system to get to '0' but at the end of the day their tax obligation was a big fat '0'.
If you had asked "are there any wealthy people with a '0' tax obligation" then that's a whole other issue.

Nobody starts out with a '0' tax obligation, nobody! But that wasn't the question. :wall:

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You showed they paid taxes overseas, not what you claim. But then again, you are one who believes in what you want to be true.
 
FauxRoux

FauxRoux

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see4 said:
I would argue that it's not an illusion at all, it's quite real, you have a choice to take what they offer you or leave and find a place that does offer what you want. Just as Rob has a choice to stick around, pay taxes and live with and participate in society as everyone else does. Or he has the choice to leave and find someplace that offers him what he wants.

Which is why I asked him specifically what country on this planet offers what he wants. He was not able to answer the question.
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Well yes...obviously its literally a choice.

But I prefer to address the merits of a debate by its intended argument whenever possible. Its more fun.

Also in most cases simply stating the obvious doesn't work...if it did they probably wouldn't need you to point it out in the first place.

I certainly share Roy's distain for the system and understand his frustration. I simply believe that I need to participate in the system to have the right to complain about it....sure, its mostly all B.S. ....but I'll do my part, where and when I can.
 
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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FauxRoux said:
Well I know someone who "took Roy off grid"

Roy: A Life Well Lived | Rick and Morty ....

Shiiiiit....and here I've been having a hard time getting past 50.

But seriously, your illusions in lack of choice sound more limiting then my illusions of freedom (which is a distinction thats not news to anyone objective). So for the tenth time, I respect your unrelenting non-conformity (I truly do) but maybe I was just raised by a better brand of outlaw then you. Every action has a consequence...if you can't stand the fire stay out of the kitchen. But don't tell me you don't have choices simply because you resent the repercussions of doing what you really want. That's as much on you as the system.

Or as 1 of my forbearers used to say every time I was leaving "remember kid, do whatever the fuck you want, just don't get caught."
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I prefer this version...

"A person with a conscience doesn't worry about being "caught", be your own keeper and try to do the right thing, even when nobody is watching".

It is wrong to run others lives for them.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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see4 said:
I suppose, by your own logic, hunter-gatherers were slaves. That is to say, since the dawn of man, we've been enslaved by our own recognizance. The men would hunt down and kill large game and were then forced to share their product of labor. Oh poor enslaved cave men.

Spare me old man. You're simply trying to argue that consenting sex with a minor is ok, Pedophile.
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No, when people voluntarily cooperate on a mutual and consensual basis it is spontaneous. When people are compelled under threat of force to associate, the seeds of slavery are present.

When you whacked your bulbous pud as a lad in onanistic glee to the fat ladies underwear section of the sears catalog were you committing pedophilia or just squeezing one out?
 
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