Are they done yet? What does "done" look like?

Kingrow1 said:

These techniques were tried to great lengths by many growers here, yes it seems far out but it never hurt the plant and they completed their harvests.

Wether it makes any difference is highly debatable but it did circumvent the need for flushing, again (i know) highly debated and considered noob stuff.

Thing is there use to be a time when we tried stuff just because it could be done, call me retarded but i have tried all these techniques and they were fine. Thing is it pushed my learning and understanding of the plant which is so monosylabic these days and so dull to read all the time.

Why isnt this a viable technique if growers want to mess around and leave the mainstream for a fun experiment, stop being such 'stuck in the muds', no ones forcing this upon you and we all use to enjoy stuff way more than the current bore.

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Right on King......my man lol.

Kingrow1 said:

These techniques were tried to great lengths by many growers here, yes it seems far out but it never hurt the plant and they completed their harvests.

Wether it makes any difference is highly debatable but it did circumvent the need for flushing, again (i know) highly debated and considered noob stuff.

Thing is there use to be a time when we tried stuff just because it could be done, call me retarded but i have tried all these techniques and they were fine. Thing is it pushed my learning and understanding of the plant which is so monosylabic these days and so dull to read all the time.

Why isnt this a viable technique if growers want to mess around and leave the mainstream for a fun experiment, stop being such 'stuck in the muds', no ones forcing this upon you and we all use to enjoy stuff way more than the current bore.

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I don't care if anyone experiments any way they want. It's the posting that it's science or that it made the weed better in their opinion with no tests or controls that I am debating.

And we tested the supposed better weed which is not that good.

And we tested others with the same techniques and even genetics that say it's better and they are sure.

It was not. Plenty of people compared the buds.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I don't care if anyone experiments any way they want. It's the posting that it's science or that it made the weed better in their opinion with no tests or controls that I am debating.

And we tested the supposed better weed which is not that good.

And we tested others with the same techniques and even genetics that say it's better and they are sure.

It was not. Plenty of people compared the buds.

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The science behind increasing any bud yield or potency is super lame, like it dont get any lameth....

I found the best increase in potency, dry time, cure appeal and smoke is when the soil runs dry and the plant needs a drink, thats harvest time for me.

Whats your harvest schedule?

MichiganMedGrower said:

I don't care if anyone experiments any way they want. It's the posting that it's science or that it made the weed better in their opinion with no tests or controls that I am debating.

And we tested the supposed better weed which is not that good.

And we tested others with the same techniques and even genetics that say it's better and they are sure.

It was not. Plenty of people compared the buds.

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Ok so you tested it and nope not for you, we get it. But the point is you tried it, does that mean no one else is allowed? Yes it didn't work, honestly I doubt I will try (if your referring to the boiling roots thing, he has a few shall we say different teqniques), I'd have to boil the water on a camp stove lol. What if you did it wrong? What if your water wasn't hot enough, what if........ All I'm saying is don't try and persuade (yes you have ) people to not try it and let them decide, while still passing on your experiences. The thing you have with RM runs deeper than an controversial finishing technique and you shouldn't let that influence the quest for others to try things. I've tried a few of his suggestions as I have yours. I know with myself it doesn't take long to figure out it's not/is something I'd keep doing. And really if your here for the science you might be in the wrong building, just saying lol.

Kingrow1 said:

The science behind increasing any bud yield or potency is super lame, like it dont get any lameth....

I found the best increase in potency, dry time, cure appeal and smoke is when the soil runs dry and the plant needs a drink, thats harvest time for me.

Whats your harvest schedule?

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Unfortunately when I run out , should be ok for a bit now though, love the fall .

Kingrow1 said:

The science behind increasing any bud yield or potency is super lame, like it dont get any lameth....

I found the best increase in potency, dry time, cure appeal and smoke is when the soil runs dry and the plant needs a drink, thats harvest time for me.

Whats your harvest schedule?

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I let each different plant tell me when they are done and check the trichomes on watering day when the pot is dry to be sure of peak potency.

If ready I don't water and harvest at lights on to minimize light exposure.

Then the fan leaves and smaller leaves on petioles are picked.

Then I cut the plant up into even size branches and hang in a drying closet for 5-10 days until the buds are dry enough for close trimming and put in jars to start their burping regimine.

Which is done according to smell and feel. Bud density and other factors determine how often and long to open jars.

How long it takes for best results seems up to the different strains and the Grow.

Budley Doright said:

Ok so you tested it and nope not for you, we get it. But the point is you tried it, does that mean no one else is allowed? Yes it didn't work, honestly I doubt I will try (if your referring to the boiling roots thing, he has a few shall we say different teqniques), I'd have to boil the water on a camp stove lol. What if you did it wrong? What if your water wasn't hot enough, what if........ All I'm saying is don't try and persuade (yes you have ) people to not try it and let them decide, while still passing on your experiences. The thing you have with RM runs deeper than an controversial finishing technique and you shouldn't let that influence the quest for others to try things. I've tried a few of his suggestions as I have yours. I know with myself it doesn't take long to figure out it's not/is something I'd keep doing. And really if your here for the science you might be in the wrong building, just saying lol.

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Plenty of other knowledgeable growers here with facts to listen to.

I am allowed to challenge as much as he is allowed to sell his bullshit am I not?

And I meant we tried rm3's supposedly better weed. Some in Colorado tried his personal stash. And here another grower's with his seeds and harvesting techniques.

I wouldn't pour boiling water on a plant. There is absolutely no supporting information to do it.

And his info was fully discredited in his own flushing thread.

But like I said. I don't care what anyone does. I want the counterpoint posted. If the poster doesn't have a good argument. And is just selling opinion. It always comes out.

In the thread the article rm3 is using to prove his flooding theory was posted and it showed his info is incorrect. He only copied a paragraph. Later the article said the plants had to be submerged to cause the fermenting response. He didn't tear the whole thing but is saying he is using science.

It should be argued if it is a lie huh?

MichiganMedGrower said:

Plenty of other knowledgeable growers here with facts to listen to.

I am allowed to challenge as much as he is allowed to sell his bullshit am I not?

And I meant we tried rm3's supposedly better weed. Some in Colorado tried his personal stash. And here another grower's with his seeds and harvesting techniques.

I wouldn't pour boiling water on a plant. There is absolutely no supporting information to do it.

And his info was fully discredited in his own flushing thread.

But like I said. I don't care what anyone does. I want the counterpoint posted. If the poster doesn't have a good argument. And is just selling opinion. It always comes out.

In the thread the article rm3 is using to prove his flooding theory was posted and it showed his info is incorrect. He only copied a paragraph. Later the article said the plants had to be submerged to cause the fermenting response. He didn't tear the whole thing but is saying he is using science.

It should be argued if it is a lie huh?

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Yes it should I guess.
Edit I listen to everyone not just u 2 lol

MichiganMedGrower said:

I let each different plant tell me when they are done and check the trichomes on watering day when the pot is dry to be sure of peak potency.

If ready I don't water and harvest at lights on to minimize light exposure.

Then the fan leaves and smaller leaves on petioles are picked.

Then I cut the plant up into even size branches and hang in a drying closet for 5-10 days until the buds are dry enough for close trimming and put in jars to start their burping regimine.

Which is done according to smell and feel. Bud density and other factors determine how often and long to open jars.

How long it takes for best results seems up to the different strains and the Grow.

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Wondering why do you limit light exposure before harvest? Is it that THC degrades due to light? Is there actual proof that the light we use does this? I've not noticed any difference but really don't pay much attention, as it do it when I can, you know grandkids and all lol.

Budley Doright said:

Wondering why do you limit light exposure before harvest? Is it that THC degrades due to light? Is there actual proof that the light we use does this? I've not noticed any difference but really don't pay much attention, as it do it when I can, you know grandkids and all lol.

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I can't say from lab tests or even really from plants I let stay under the lights for a while before harvest from smoking honestly.

But I do notice degraded trichs under the scope later during lights on especially on the buds closer to the light overlap so I just have always done it this way.

I originally mostly followed the 2 books I had bought. The Jorje Cervantes one and the Ed Rosenthal one.

Jorje said to harvest even outdoor as early in the day as possible to avoid degradation.

I can't remember if ed published info on that but seems common to suggest drying in the dark or at least out of the direct Grow lights.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I can't say from lab tests or even really from plants I let stay under the lights for a while before harvest from smoking honestly.

But I do notice degraded trichs under the scope later during lights on especially on the buds closer to the light overlap so I just have always done it this way.

I originally mostly followed the 2 books I had bought. The Jorje Cervantes one and the Ed Rosenthal one.

Jorje said to harvest even outdoor as early in the day as possible to avoid degradation.

I can't remember if ed published info on that but seems common to suggest drying in the dark or at least out of the direct Grow lights.

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Im too long a member to keep up with the science of lights effect on the various chemicals in the trichs but i remember there being a lot there to read up on and most of it pretty scientific, i remember it as light converting cbd or thc to a differnt form etc etc but i remember being wrong in some recent threads so i cant offer anything much.

With all there is i can see how and why all these not so scientific techniques came about on the back of a lot of quite good science

Budley Doright said:

Yes it should I guess.
Edit I listen to everyone not just u 2 lol

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Well I am sure not the authority on this stuff. I have only been doing this personally for about 4 years. I have a lot of experience dealing with growers and weed since the 80's though.

I urge people to read elsewhere. I like to know why not just what.

I read what growers here have to say and show. But I cross reference every bit of info with university or professional horticultural knowledge.

I always say. Some people have 20 yrs of experience doing something.

Others have 1 year of experience and repeat it 20 times.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I always say. Some people have 20 hrs of experience doing something.

Others have 1 year of experience and repeat it 20 times.

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There is a generally accepted theory that it takes 5000 hours to be good at something and 10000 to master.

Kingrow1 said:

There is a generally accepted theory that it takes 5000 hours to be good at something and 10000 to master.

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I think you are missing the point.

And my iPhone changed the word years to hrs. I missed the typo.

It's 20 years of experience vs 1 year 20 times.

In other words. The amount of time someone had done something for may mean very little in their competency at it. Or even their knowledge.

And to add. People learn at different rates and ability.

10000 hrs here to get master trade certificate and some still know shit. It doesn't stop at the 10000 hours, it lasts a lifetime lol. Hell I've been growing this stuff for 43 years and I'm the "still know shit" one .

Budley Doright said:

10000 hrs here to get master trade certificate and some still know shit. It doesn't stop at the 10000 hours, it lasts a lifetime lol. Hell I've been growing this stuff for 43 years and I'm the "still know shit" one .

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Well in your defense you did learn to be a master tradesman?

I'm only a master baiter.

MichiganMedGrower said:

Well in your defense you did learn to be a master tradesman?

I'm only a master baiter.

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I used to be, it's tough keeping up with the girlfriend she's in her late 30's so hitting her prime, I can't waste bullets lol. Doesn't know the meaning of a good sleep lol.
Edit: I have 3 trade tickets . One was grandfathered and just had to write exams because I have a million hours (well it seems like it) lol

RM3 said:

How many times does are they done get posted?

I figured I'd post a done pic so growers could see what it looks like

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I am new at this. You say thats done. Is it getting harvested now or flushed for a week yet?

Wazzy said:

I am new at this. You say thats done. Is it getting harvested now or flushed for a week yet?

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It's done, I don't flush, read the thread

since you're new ya might learn a few things

tyke1973 said:

To be honest finding a few seeds i'm not talking 50,just a few means that you have pushed the plant to its max, and that you have left them to the perfect picking time,all plants will turn if left long enough,the seed's might be feminized if there from a regular grown plant.

I nearlly all ways find the odd seed,about 5/10 never more than that,it just means that you have left the plants full term like i said above,the old school grower that learnt me said to me if you don't find the odd seed then it means you could have pushed them a little longer,its a fine line between picking them bang in time like you have or ending up with a good few seeds,with experience you will learn to pick at the perfect time.

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if these seeds are feminized as you say, then this would be a proof that said seeds result from Apomixis.