Unclebaldrick
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The original plan was to tattoo a "V" on the penis, but this was rejected because there wasn't enough room on Trump supporters.
Are we getting Rabies tags or a doctors note?
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DIY-HP-LED
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Not news, it works that way for all vaccines
FastFreddi
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Not after 9 months ffs!
FF
DIY-HP-LED
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Science progresses, we are almost 70 years out from the the poliovirus vaccine and they've learned a lot. Perhaps you should explain in a few sentences exactly how an mRNA vaccine works? I can. I have knowledge and it gives me confidence, you appear to suffer from ignorance and that explains your fear. If you have evidence fine, but so far I've heard unfounded fears and paranoia, nothing to indicate a real issue. Perhaps you should list the corners cut? Procedures were telescoped, not cut, trials done in parallel, not sequentially as is normal when there is no rush.
Do you think these scientists and experts are fucking fools who don't know their business? They will all take their own medicine first, it doesn't get any better than that and the people asking you to risk your pink little ass for others will take the vaccine on TV long before you. These people are scientists and are disciplined by peers in what the say and do, they live by personal and scientific integrity, if you deal in information and you have no integrity you are useless and so is the information you generate or process.
If you wanna know why I feel strongly about this:
Look at Trump as an example of uselessness, he lies all the time, it makes him useless as a human being. Scientists are useful because they tell the truth, on rare occasions they commit scientific fraud and that can cause a lot of damage. A single case of scientific fraud that was confessed and disproven by multiple studies, founded the antivaccer movement. It's all they've got, one disproven and self confessed fraudulent scientific study and yet they've caused thousands of children to be murdered by their own parents who believe bullshit. Is it any wonder people with brains despise these ignorant assholes? Helping to murder innocent children has never been popular among decent people any where and any time.
FastFreddi
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I am not an anti vaxxer....but I am retired military, and I've fucking seen what rushed inoculations have done to my peers.
Stick your book knowledge exactly where I hope they stick the needle...in yer arse.
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FastFreddi
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How much has science progressed, but the common cold still exists, as does cancer...but your right ...
Gtfo here.
FF
DIY-HP-LED
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Fine, if you were in the military you should know about putting your pink little ass on the line for others, it's a requirement. You don't get vaccinated just for yourself, you do it for others, think if you get sick you might not kill others? Your not in the forces now and not under forced military discipline, but you are still at war and the same basic responsibility is required. BTW I served too, lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Stick it in the arm or arse makes no difference to me, get with the program and stop reliving old fears.
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Dryxi
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This idea of needing to show vaccine cards or something as proof of vaccination to do the majority of activities is not realistic. Privacy laws that have protected anti-vaxxers forever still apply. They won't change those for a virus that much of the country still thinks poses little threat. They won't tell all employers they must show proof of employees vaccinations. Are they going to fire everyone that doesn't get one fast enough? What politicians (except those rdy to end their careers) would send another couple million (at least) to unemployment, now during economic stress?
Fogdog
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I've already contacted my company's HR and asked about their policy on this. Of course, they wouldn't say, after all, I'm just a minion. I took the opportunity to put forth a request that people should either be locked out of the office or isolated from co-workers if they can't produce proof that they have been vaccinated. I talked with my boss about it too. Asking fellow workers to do the same.
Agree with you that the government shouldn't mandate that kind of thing but companies already have the right to do so. OTOH, the government should require their employees to be vaccinated for the same reason. Teachers, law enforcement, fire fighters all should either get vaccinated or they can't go back to work. I'm kind of tired of the fake conspiracy party's lies, their threats, their aggressive attacks on people who disagree with them. It's time to get aggressive back.
DIY-HP-LED
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Sorry for coming down on you, but folks are dying in vast numbers and the data shows that the first doses of this vaccine confers considerable protection after just ten days. mRNA vaccines produce a very specific protein, a covid infection uses the same cellular mechanism and produces many strange and harmful proteins as it fucks up while reproducing itself. The mRNA vaccine is far more safe than covid, I can't speak to an adenovirus vaccine since it uses another organisms genome. As for myself, IMHO the mRNA vaccines are probably the safest vaccines ever produced, it is highly specific in what it does and what it does is very well known. They had the genetic code of the virus within weeks of its discovery and weeks later had a vaccine target, this mRNA vaccine was developed in the spring and tested on animals before humans. The three phases of clinical trials were run in parallel, not sequentially as they usually are. Hundreds of scientific ethicists sat on independent boards and monitored every step of the process, standard operating procedures.
Dryxi
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Private Companies have the right to mandate vaccines, but will they risk losing good employees over it? How many businesses rely on a specific couple people to organize their business on the daily. Many of those positions could potentially have the many of the people not rushing to this vaccine. There is a risk to them mandating this vaccine and there is no telling how many companies will accept it. We want to believe everyone is on the same page, but we know they aren't.
Edit: I'd bet at least half the private companies are owned by Republicans who may be even less likely to mandate vaccines.
Many governmental positions should get it mandated as they already mandate many of the vaccines for those same groups.
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Fogdog
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They risk losing employees if they don't. That risk washes both ways.
This is a safety issue, not a moral one and certainly not a partisan one. It's not something that a company can just ignore. They don't have to do it, I suppose. They already have my request in writing and I'm just letting other people know what I've done in case they want to do so as well. Just saying, an outbreak after the vaccine is available that kills an employee who requested this policy will be hanging out there as a target for ambulance chasing lawyers.
It's not mandating that people take the vaccine, it's mandating that people who aren't vaccinated to stay away from the workforce. A fair question might be: "if they are vaccinated, then what's the concern?" That one might carry water. The "muh rats" argument is the same old stupidity that we've had shoved up our noses for the last four years. Businesses make decisions to protect profits.
Rob Roy
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If a person can be forced to quarantine, lockdown, wear a mask and generally bark on command, what would prevent Biden from bar coding a person? Or will he go for guns first ?
DIY-HP-LED
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Unless Mitch passes tort reform as part of the covid relief package...
DIY-HP-LED
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I'd go for the bar coding myself, ya can't by groceries unless they scan ya first, no vaccine, no entry. Once ya got em bar coded, then ya make them register their guns and bar code them too. Makes it easier to collect them if ya got everything locked down first, information is power.
Fogdog
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The covid relief package covers employers in essential businesses from lawsuits in the absence of a vaccine. Would it apply to companies that allow unvaccinated people to mingle with those who are?
Guns should be vaccinated too.
hanimmal
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