Area 51 Why wait, seems you can buy cree cobs lights now

OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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PurpleBuz said:
well actually I'm in the PNW and normally humidity is the biggest issue, I have multiple small dehumidifiers that run on timers as needed. I also have a number of small tents for vegging and crossing isolation and they do very well with one good quality 4" fan exhausting air from each tent. not much different than a small closet. I'm running a mix of leds and T5s (slow to upgrade) and I generally have no heat problems nor humidity issues.
I just wished my dehumidifiers were hooked to a drain..

so I do understand your grow space and I don't need air cooled leds similar to air cooled HPS hoods
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What kind of power per sq ft are you running?
 
Abiqua

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chazbolin said:
What started out in a FB group called Just4Growers was a suggestion that any of the 4K members of that group could offer to conduct a trial in where the same genetics and conditions within 4 x 4 tents would allow any lighting technology up to 1000 watts could compete under a live stream format. There were several gardeners that offered up their services so a vote was conducted and one of the gardeners who offered to perform the trials won the popular vote. With that tents were sent to him and 3 of the 5 mfg's who agreed to send the lights did so. Some of the mfg's decided to argue the fairness of the trial to the point they dropped out. One of the statements I heard was 'there is no point in being second'.

The J4G site did not allow any talk of cannabis so a new FB group was launched called International Artificial Grow Light Association. The arguing over bias and standards that could not be evenly applied between different technologies created a situation where the grower got tired of the bickering and backed out. So while the trial never went on it was interesting to see what lengths certain mfg's would go to to diminish the importance of what would have been a by the people for the people challenge. The gardener was respected, voted in and willing to conduct the trial in what would have been a widely monitored trial of competing technologies.

Ultimately what would have been of interest to everyone would have been the quality of finish differences, weight/watt and weight/area. It would have given those 300 watt LED mfg's who claim they can equal or surpass the crop results of a 1000 watt HPS a forum to prove up their claims. Any mfg who decided to contribute to the trial would have been able to make real time comments if their light was not being used the way they way it had been designed to function. IG did initiate the trials but had absolutely zero influence on who the gardener would be or where the trials would take place. Gavita initially agreed to participate but decided against it when they could not get their particular demands met, one of which was that each mfg would have to meet is that their lights deliver a 1000 uMol/m-sq 1-s average illumination level. They also took great exception to the fact that IG submitted hybrid technologies with their submission of induction/LED.

So it's left to mfg's to conduct their own tests and try to keep them varied for the multiple ways they may be used then publish their results using regular updates so the plants can speak for themselves. Which of course what it is ultimately all about anyway.
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It was Mossy wasn't it? I forgot about that....I know mossy personally. We haven't caught up as much over the last year or two,but Moss gave me my 1st dab years ago....

Sucks that it was held up...I have been on ALG for a bit now and the topic never comes up but probably for good reason I guess....sucks because the Gavita boys seem stuck between a rock and a hard place....they seem to have little incentive to advance at all and seem content as is...which is fine, but to back out along with that attitude is scary! Actions speak louder than words!
 
Stephenj37826

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Gavita will have an led fixture sooner than later I'd say. With their cred if it is halfway decent then it will blow up for sure.
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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JimmyIndica said:
What wattage and fixture setup would you use in 4x4 against the gavita?
Ive been trying to check your website out but cant seem to find it? can u send me link.Thanks
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The trial was set up out of frustration and just seemed to take on a life of it's own. Pretty much like the party cup comps have done which btw has been enormously enjoyable to watch evolve. As to what IG proposed in the tent they were set up for a single Pro-420/Pontoon combo. Depending on the genetics IG may have ran a 13/11 photoperiod with the Pontoon but other than that everything else would have been the same in terms of environmental conditions. If the 13/11 created too much of an issue the 12/12 would have been acceptable since the plant convert into a Pfr state instantly with the 730nm diodes at lights out. There is a ton more information on the site @ http://www.inda-gro.com also check out their resources page. They are working with some incredibly talented Phd level biochemists who specialize in the endocannibinoid system and have taken a shine to the 151 ideology which goes to purity of product. The industry is really ready to take off mainstream imo and sites such as RIU and their members contributions have really been at the vanguard for sometime in helping define the conversations.
 
chazbolin

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Stephenj37826 said:
Gavita will have an led fixture sooner than later I'd say. With their cred if it is halfway decent then it will blow up for sure.
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Gavita makes a good product but they are way overpriced. The Digilume DE-HPS 1000 has been rocking the IG trials for quite a while now and those systems are available for less than $300 without having to look too hard and it's the same lamp and ballast. http://growershouse.com/digilume-1000w-double-ended-de-complete-fixture

As to Gavita's late but eventual entry into the LED market there is a reason for that. It goes to their making a business decision to simply promote HID while they can still make that argument. Gavita has done nothing unique or innovative in my opinion. They are riding a hell of a wave right now I'll grant you that, but that which will be wagging the dog's tail will be more energy efficient technologies that still deliver crop response using every available photochemical trigger we know of. Unless you call picking up a tent line that they recommend for their thouies Gavita has not brought anything truly innovative to the market that benefits the long term interests of the grower. When Gavita does finally launch it's LED line that will be a signal to industry shift but it will also be blood in the water for forums and early adopters of LED such as these.
 
Stephenj37826

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Oh I agree gavita is the name but I like the digilume better and AC/DE as well. But honestly digilux makes a hell of good one as well. With that flat ballast it helps with height issues and it boosts to 1200 watts as well.
 
OneHitDone

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I pointed out similar to someone just the other day. It is not like led or even cob technology is foreign to the bigger agricultural lighting companies.
Even Eye Lighting appears to have cob based lighting solutions for warehouse etc. If those techs were really ready for prime time, why would they not roll them out and be the first commercially available?
It is interesting that anything that has to do with solar simulating in their lineup remains HID based.

I say less arguing and bickering on all of this lighting tech and let's focus on sharing what we are experiencing and learning from each! :joint:
 
ttystikk

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OneHitDone said:
I pointed out similar to someone just the other day. It is not like led or even cob technology is foreign to the bigger agricultural lighting companies.
Even Eye Lighting appears to have cob based lighting solutions for warehouse etc. If those techs were really ready for prime time, why would they not roll them out and be the first commercially available?
It is interesting that anything that has to do with solar simulating in their lineup remains HID based.

I say less arguing and bickering on all of this lighting tech and let's focus on sharing what we are experiencing and learning from each! :joint:
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So what experiments need doing? Large scale? Different spectra? We know they work, what do you propose as the next step?
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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OneHitDone said:
I pointed out similar to someone just the other day. It is not like led or even cob technology is foreign to the bigger agricultural lighting companies.
Even Eye Lighting appears to have cob based lighting solutions for warehouse etc. If those techs were really ready for prime time, why would they not roll them out and be the first commercially available?
It is interesting that anything that has to do with solar simulating in their lineup remains HID based.

I say less arguing and bickering on all of this lighting tech and let's focus on sharing what we are experiencing and learning from each! :joint:
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Well I think it's like HD TV. When they released 720 hd 1080p was already ready for prime time. They let a while go by and sold that tech to make the money off it first. DE is not exactly old. Have to bleed it for what its worth first.
 
OneHitDone

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Stephenj37826 said:
Well I think it's like HD TV. When they released 720 hd 1080p was already ready for prime time. They let a while go by and sold that tech to make the money off it first. DE is not exactly old. Have to bleed it for what its worth first.
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Of interest is that while yes DE lamps have been around a while, I was told that Hortilux is in fact working on their own DE Lamps.
Just like led, there is room for technological improvement in other technologies as well.
The future definitely holds many new tools and toys for us indoor gardeners :mrgreen:
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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OneHitDone said:
Of interest is that while yes DE lamps have been around a while, I was told that Hortilux is in fact working on their own DE Lamps.
Just like led, there is room for technological improvement in other technologies as well.
The future definitely holds many new tools and toys for us indoor gardeners :mrgreen:
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I really think that while HID may soldier on for awhile, COB LED tech is only just getting started. Today's chips suffer only the disadvantage of cost, and then only at initial installation. After that, they're better AND cheaper!

It only remains for growers to start building bigger, commercial sized LED panels to show the way forward. I plan to be one of them. Soon.
 
buckethead12989

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Yall try Timber grow lights ?? i bought a 2x 50w cree cxb3590s for my bare spot in 4x3x6.5 all i gotta say is wow! saved over 50$ on shipping by building own frame 20170305_232219.jpg
 
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