Asking for advices..

Xan2

Xan2

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Hi guys, it's been a while now, i am about to launch a new setup..

I have 2 1000 watters hps and i am going to get cooltubes.. one bulb is Hortilux the other is Sylvania..
I also have a 6"x18" carbon filter with 200CFM vortex fan and all venting fans i will need to keep the right temp, i also have an A/C and a old dehumidifier..
i have a dedicated room about 8x9 with a closet.. i use the closet for mother and other.. and will be using 4x8 table within airtight space made with b&w..
i plann on going with 12/12 from nicely rooted clones and putting 105 to 128 in the table. that means using 6 sq. in. per plant. the system will be flood and drain hydroponic. I have some Advanced nutrients, all the basics.. but not the whole line of product.. i also don't have any co2.. or RO system.. i use tap water wich comes out around 250ppm.. i have my ph meter as well.. keeping my water ph at 5.6..

My mother/vedging corner is all set..

My question is .. what next should i invest in? and why? .. my goal is to achieve the most possible gain out of it.. i mean if i could get 10gr to 20gr per plant would be perfect.. would co2 worth the investement? also should i get the whole product line of Advanced Nutrients? I have a kinda vortex fan that is about 400CFM for the 2 cooltubes would that be enough?

Hoping to ear some ideas, thanks.
 
uNDer0ath

uNDer0ath

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Hey Xan2,

As long as your lights are in-line and there isn't more than 2 funky turns in your duct that fan would be just fine. For plants that close, you may want to look at scrog. A friend of mine has a similar setup and scrog makes his life easy. Co2 is a great help but you will need a nice climate/Co2 controller to regulate your fans while Co2 is in use. So that would be one recommendation for you to look at. There are all in one units for around 300 and some less.

Check out Greners.com, they seem to have good pricing on a lot of stuff compared to other websites. You can always put more light. If I were to set that space up I would use 4 XXXL 8" reflectors or the Radiant 8" reflectors/hoods. But with your current setup, 2 more cool tubes, bulbls, ballasts and a fan would do you no wrong (other than additional heat to vent).

For the Temp, get a climate controller anyway. This will manage your a/c, venting fans, de-humidifier and your night time heater( if needed).

I'm assuming you have a light mover?

As for Nutrients, you can talk to 10 different people and here 10 different things. "Organic", "OMRI", "B'CUZZ", "FoxFarm", "GH" ect... I personally use the entire House & Garden Line. I have yet to be out grown (among local associates) in the same growing conditions using their line. They are expensive though. Really Expensive. At the very least use the Roots Excelorator( prevents root rot ) and the Shooting Powder. The Shooting Powder tricks the plants and "resets" the flower cycle adding a little time to your countdown, but also adding to your total yield.

Hygrozhyme is also pretty awesome stuff. keeps those roots nice and white.

If you need any product recommendations I would be glad to help.

Hope this was helpful.
 
uNDer0ath

uNDer0ath

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Oh yeah,

one additional item would be a PH controller. If you have issues with your PH jumping around this will help automate things a bit.
 
speedyseedz

speedyseedz

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uNDer0ath said:
Hey Xan2,

As long as your lights are in-line and there isn't more than 2 funky turns in your duct that fan would be just fine. For plants that close, you may want to look at scrog. A friend of mine has a similar setup and scrog makes his life easy. Co2 is a great help but you will need a nice climate/Co2 controller to regulate your fans while Co2 is in use. So that would be one recommendation for you to look at. There are all in one units for around 300 and some less.

Check out Greners.com, they seem to have good pricing on a lot of stuff compared to other websites. You can always put more light. If I were to set that space up I would use 4 XXXL 8" reflectors or the Radiant 8" reflectors/hoods. But with your current setup, 2 more cool tubes, bulbls, ballasts and a fan would do you no wrong (other than additional heat to vent).

For the Temp, get a climate controller anyway. This will manage your a/c, venting fans, de-humidifier and your night time heater( if needed).

I'm assuming you have a light mover?

As for Nutrients, you can talk to 10 different people and here 10 different things. "Organic", "OMRI", "B'CUZZ", "FoxFarm", "GH" ect... I personally use the entire House & Garden Line. I have yet to be out grown (among local associates) in the same growing conditions using their line. They are expensive though. Really Expensive. At the very least use the Roots Excelorator( prevents root rot ) and the Shooting Powder. The Shooting Powder tricks the plants and "resets" the flower cycle adding a little time to your countdown, but also adding to your total yield.

Hygrozhyme is also pretty awesome stuff. keeps those roots nice and white.

If you need any product recommendations I would be glad to help.

Hope this was helpful.
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Co2 is a total waste of time in your situation, its going to cost you a fortune and you won't get anything out of it.

No sooner would you pump some co2 in, the inline fan that you have would be instantly sucking it out, you would never achieve optimum levels and keep it there and it would cost you an absolute fortune
 
uNDer0ath

uNDer0ath

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speedyseedz said:
Co2 is a total waste of time in your situation, its going to cost you a fortune and you won't get anything out of it.

No sooner would you pump some co2 in, the inline fan that you have would be instantly sucking it out, you would never achieve optimum levels and keep it there and it would cost you an absolute fortune
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Oh contra-re,

If he gets the climate/Co2 controller this will time everything for him automatically. He would only need back flow dampers for his exhaust to prevent leaking.

You can set yourself up with Co2 for under 500.00 and can increase yields significantly.


On the other hand, if this is your first grow your yield will be moderate anyhow so:

Co2 + Noob = unsatisfied

I generally recommend Co2 second round as most peeps tend to focus too much on it and neglect other quality learning experiences they would otherwise gain without it.

But all in all, Co2 works or no one would use it.

Speedy does bring up a point, maybe not your first go round. But definitely in the future. So if you decide to do Co2 in the future, then get the climate controller with Co2 capabilities now so your ready later.
 
speedyseedz

speedyseedz

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uNDer0ath said:
Oh contra-re,

If he gets the climate/Co2 controller this will time everything for him automatically. He would only need back flow dampers for his exhaust to prevent leaking.

You can set yourself up with Co2 for under 500.00 and can increase yields significantly.


On the other hand, if this is your first grow your yield will be moderate anyhow so:

Co2 + Noob = unsatisfied

I generally recommend Co2 second round as most peeps tend to focus too much on it and neglect other quality learning experiences they would otherwise gain without it.

But all in all, Co2 works or no one would use it.

Speedy does bring up a point, maybe not your first go round. But definitely in the future. So if you decide to do Co2 in the future, then get the climate controller with Co2 capabilities now so your ready later.
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So he's got a exhaust fan sucking air out of that room at a rate of 200 cubic feet a minute, you have a controller that auto fills it and keeps it at the right level, so it pumps some in, within a minute the air is clean again, so it pumps some more in and keeps on doing this until the tank is empty.

As I said originally, exhausting your air at that rate is going to cost you a fortune in co2.

I'm sure that the cost of getting the gas refill's, at the rate you are going to get through them will cost you more than the yield you gain.


If you wanna go through with it then go for it, not going to argue with anyone over it, these are my opinions and the other guy has his.

The only way you could work it, would be if you were to not run the extraction fan all the time, and put it on a timer so it exhausts it every so often and keeps the gas in there for longer.

There are quite a lot of factors in making co2 work efficiently, if you don't get it all right its going to cost the earth and not really gain you anything.
 
Michcplwst

Michcplwst

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I agree with Speedyseeds comment..The only way around it it to put it all on a timer and allow for the CO2 to absorb before the filtration restarts..Kindof a pain i would think ..
 
speedyseedz

speedyseedz

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Michcplwst said:
I agree with Speedyseeds comment..The only way around it it to put it all on a timer and allow for the CO2 to absorb before the filtration restarts..Kindof a pain i would think ..
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Plus the heat & smell factor to take into consideration while the filter isn't on
 
uNDer0ath

uNDer0ath

Member
Wow,

I guess I must be the only person who actually has a commercial grade setup where EVERYTHING is automated. I have a Co2 controller that shuts my exaust off when the Co2 is running at 1500 ppm then after 3 hours sux it all out. I do this 3 times a day and my carbon filters are constantly running as they are not acting as exhaust. They actually filter the rooms air and recirculate it back into the room. That way the room itself has little to no smell so when my unfiltered exhaust kicks in the air has already been purified. I have no issue's personally with Co2 constantly being wasted. I guess I should have clarified my method first.

Anyhow, I'm merely offering suggestions and if you like em' use em if not continue your search for answers and best of luck in your grow. As it stands your set up is optimal. If you were to continue as is your yield would still be very pleasing. I hope I don't come off as knocking your set up. It is a great set up.

If you have any questions just pm me.
 
Xan2

Xan2

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Mr Bomb said:
+1 to this idea.:leaf:
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-1 to this because i already have one and it's wrote in my post.

my flwr room is airtight. the cooltubes takes its air outside of it and blows it back outside of it in an other area.

it's my 3rd grow but never came out with more than a pound out of a 1000w light so trying to optimize things..
 
uNDer0ath

uNDer0ath

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Xan2 said:
-1 to this because i already have one and it's wrote in my post.

my flwr room is airtight. the cooltubes takes its air outside of it and blows it back outside of it in an other area.

it's my 3rd grow but never came out with more than a pound out of a 1000w light so trying to optimize things..
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-2 for being a dick!
 
hugetom80s

hugetom80s

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Well I'm not all that interested in fighting about CO2, but I'd like to say that I wouldn't recommend buying the entire AN line to most people. It can be a little overwhelming for just starting out.

But it sounds like you've got a handle on things so I'll just say buy what you feel confident in. I've done my best grows on Advanced Nutrients so it gets a big thumbs-up from me.
 
decrimCA

decrimCA

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hugetom80s said:
Well I'm not all that interested in fighting about CO2, but I'd like to say that I wouldn't recommend buying the entire AN line to most people. It can be a little overwhelming for just starting out.

But it sounds like you've got a handle on things so I'll just say buy what you feel confident in. I've done my best grows on Advanced Nutrients so it gets a big thumbs-up from me.
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Ditto here.

I started out with Fox Farm and even dabbled in some other brands when I was first growing, but I have to say that Advanced Nutrients really works for me. It's pretty popular in CA, so it's easy to find, which is a strong selling point too.

Good luck with whatever you end up choosing, sounds like you're off toa strong start.

:peace::peace::peace::peace:
 
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