Jack Fate
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Tomahawk, Mohammed getting fucked by a camel, dude. I'm with ya pal.
At what point would YOU fight for your Liberty?
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doc111
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lmfao!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, I had to address this statement. Seriously bro? You really think "if we spent the money on education that we should there would be no stupid Americans?" I went to private school with PLENTY of dumb fucks whose parents spent the exact same on tuition as my parents. It didn't seem to make too much difference for those kids.
Jack Fate
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The great hall of fame quarterback, Fran Tarkington, tells us exactly what is wrong with public school.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/64977.html
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/64977.html
dukeanthony
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My Kid does better in Private schoollmfao!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, I had to address this statement. Seriously bro? You really think "if we spent the money on education we should there would be no stupid Americans?" I went to private school with PLENTY of dumb fucks whose parents spent the exact same on tuition as my parents. It didn't seem to make too much difference for those kids.
She isnt in a split grade class with 36 other kids like she was in Public school
Never heard of split grade classes?
Look it up kindergarden thru 3rd grade she was always in a split grade class
the smallest being 32 kids and 1 teacher
Thats what happens when you take money out of the school system
The system fails
doc111
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No doubt, public education is in trouble. The only thing I was addressing was the comment "if we spent the money on education that we should there would be no stupid Americans." That statement is awfully presumptuous don't you think? Would more money make the problem better? Of course it would help but it wouldn't eliminate stupidity even if you threw all the money in the world at the problem.
tomahawk2406
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Mission StatementWell, there are plenty of peole who believe socialism is bad. But we're not talking about pure socialism or pure free markets either. There are very few people who advocate for NO regulation or NO taxes or NO govt. Those that do advocate those things are generally not taken too seriously because most rational people understand the need for rules and laws and governments, etc. Problem is a lot of people feel like the federal government has overstepped its bounds time and again. A lot of people feel like the government isn't functioning properly and is bloated, inefficient and in some cases utterly incompetent! lol! Throwing more money at problems seldom solves the problems. A lot of people feel like regulation (in certain sectors) is stifling growth and creating and unlevel playing field. Most rational people want the same things. We just disagree on how to best accomplish these things.
The impetus for the Tea Party movement is excessive government spending and taxation. Our mission is to attract, educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility, Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets.
Core Values
Fiscal Responsibility
Constitutionally Limited Government
Free Markets
you sent me this, i may be stupid.......(good thing your hear) but what does the last line of that mission statement say?
tomahawk2406
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your right its not functioning properly, i guess my whole point is in this day and age, simple, old school tactics would either be useless or dangerous. the playing field is bigger than what a lot of people perceive it as. would cutting spending reduce our debt? fuck ya it would. would it make people lose jobs? fuck ya it would. who hurts more? the nation is not one anymore. the class gap is wide, and whatever is done for one hurts another which has a direct effect on........something, whatever it may be. im just scratching the surface with issues, but i hope you get my point.
doc111
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I'm sorry, I'm not getting your point. You said something very simplistic about the Tea Party philosophy and I simply gave you their mission statement and philosophy in their own words. Excessive government spending and inefficiency are more of a focal point IMO than just not paying taxes (I don't think the majority of the Tea Party members are advocating paying no taxes or having no regulations). Most of the ones I've talked to think we shouldn't be paying MORE in taxes until the government can show it's making real efforts at cleaning up its own house. We throw money at problems with little or no progress to show for it and many people think that throwing more money at a problem will solve it. This is an incredibly naive assumption. It's not just about being taxed too much. I agree, we live in a very complex world, but I think we try to overcomplicate things by thinking we need to protect everybody from everything. It's getting ridiculous don't you think? I mean, my wife bought a hair dryer a couple of years ago and included in the myriad warnings on the box was one that said: "Do not use while sleeping". Sleeping?????? Are you fucking kidding me? I know it's a seemingly meaningless example, but I think it somewhat illustrates my point. People are getting fed up and it should get everyone's attention whether you agree with them or not. They are one of the proverbial "canaries in the coal mine" IMO. Agree, disagree with them...........but we should all be paying attention because they are a symptom, not the problem.
tomahawk2406
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Well, there are plenty of peole who believe socialism is bad. But we're not talking about pure socialism or pure free markets either. There are very few people who advocate for NO regulation or NO taxes or NO govt. Those that do advocate those things are generally not taken too seriously because most rational people understand the need for rules and laws and governments, etc. Problem is a lot of people feel like the federal government has overstepped its bounds time and again. A lot of people feel like the government isn't functioning properly and is bloated, inefficient and in some cases utterly incompetent! lol! Throwing more money at problems seldom solves the problems. A lot of people feel like regulation (in certain sectors) is stifling growth and creating and unlevel playing field. Most rational people want the same things. We just disagree on how to best accomplish these things.
you said "But we're not talking about pure socialism or pure free markets either." i was, because thats what it states in their mission statement, they support free markets........... with the greed that is present in the country free markets would fail. i deff. made it more confusing, my bad.I'm sorry, I'm not getting your point. You said something very simplistic about the Tea Party philosophy and I simply gave you their mission statement and philosophy in their own words. Excessive government spending and inefficiency are more of a focal point IMO than just not paying taxes (I don't think the majority of the Tea Party members are advocating paying no taxes or having no regulations). Most of the ones I've talked to think we shouldn't be paying MORE in taxes until the government can show it's making real efforts at cleaning up its own house. We throw money at problems with little or no progress to show for it and many people think that throwing more money at a problem will solve it. This is an incredibly naive assumption. It's not just about being taxed too much. I agree, we live in a very complex world, but I think we try to overcomplicate things by thinking we need to protect everybody from everything. It's getting ridiculous don't you think? I mean, my wife bought a hair dryer a couple of years ago and included in the myriad warnings on the box was one that said: "Do not use while sleeping". Sleeping?????? Are you fucking kidding me? I know it's a seemingly meaningless example, but I think it somewhat illustrates my point. People are getting fed up and it should get everyone's attention whether you agree with them or not. They are one of the proverbial "canaries in the coal mine" IMO. Agree, disagree with them...........but we should all be paying attention because they are a symptom, not the problem.
doc111
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Where does it say they are advocating "pure free markets". A truly free market would mean no rules or regulations and nobody would be policing the marketplace AT ALL! Like I said, I've talked to NUMEROUS Tea Party members and not one has said they are advocating "pure free markets". Seriously, where in the world is there an example of any "pure free market? Are most communist countries "purely communist" or do they have elements of other styles of government? Yes, they support free markets, as do I, but I am not advocating having no regulation. As I said previously, we need some regulation, but we need to be enforcing the regulations we already have. Greed is nothing new. And I agree a pure free market, as any other pure form of government or economy, would be utterly doomed to failure. When speaking of "free markets" how many people do you know who truly want to have ZERO regulations? Perhaps a few, but nobody is really taking those folks seriously.
If class size is the only factor in how poorly people are educated how do explain collage lecture halls? 200 students and 1 professor. Who's fault is that?
Most of education has to do with PARENTS!! PARENTS need to make sure their kids are learning, doing their homework and even expanding on what they are being taught in school. Unfortunately the parents have to work so much and have such debt and stress in their life that the last thing they want to do is try and teach a 10 year old advanced readin', writin' and arithmetic. Parents want to just come home eat supper and sit in front of the boob tube and be told how to live their lives.
You can motivate a child to learn more by making learning interesting and informative instead of monotonous and boring. Show your child the power that is learning.
My kids know their shit, straight A's, my 16 year old should be done with college now, but even though she already takes AP classes and college level material it wasn't because of the public school system. It's because she has parents who give a shit and make sure she is always on top.
Most of education has to do with PARENTS!! PARENTS need to make sure their kids are learning, doing their homework and even expanding on what they are being taught in school. Unfortunately the parents have to work so much and have such debt and stress in their life that the last thing they want to do is try and teach a 10 year old advanced readin', writin' and arithmetic. Parents want to just come home eat supper and sit in front of the boob tube and be told how to live their lives.
You can motivate a child to learn more by making learning interesting and informative instead of monotonous and boring. Show your child the power that is learning.
My kids know their shit, straight A's, my 16 year old should be done with college now, but even though she already takes AP classes and college level material it wasn't because of the public school system. It's because she has parents who give a shit and make sure she is always on top.
dukeanthony
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How many TA's. Do the students know how to read and do math yet?
lopezri
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I know I don't agree all the time with NoDrama, but he/she is right on the money on this one, except that the parents have to become more accountable. IT IS THEIR FAULT if both are having to work ALL day to pay bills and debt that THEY HAVE INCURRED. Nobody else is responsible for that, except them. I understand. . . it does SUCK when little Johnny or Susie become an accident, but again, that is the parents responsibility, not responsible tax paying citizens.
lopezri
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I forgot to mention that I do have a degree in education, eventhough I would never even THINK about stepping into a public classroom anymore due to lack of student discipline. Money will never fix the education problem.
YOU get from Education, what you put into it. If a particular individual, group, or culture decides to NOT embrace education, especially when it is being provided for FREE, it is the loss of those that should be learning, and their future generations. Those of us past secondary education aren't the ones really making those decisions. Education can only provide what the current educated populace demands. And honestly, that populace doesn't really seem to be demanding that much, otherwise, education WOULD be a booming private-sector business.
YOU get from Education, what you put into it. If a particular individual, group, or culture decides to NOT embrace education, especially when it is being provided for FREE, it is the loss of those that should be learning, and their future generations. Those of us past secondary education aren't the ones really making those decisions. Education can only provide what the current educated populace demands. And honestly, that populace doesn't really seem to be demanding that much, otherwise, education WOULD be a booming private-sector business.
Ever notice that when someone just gives you things that you tend to take those things for granted? Contrasted with things that you really had to work hard at to get that you value much much more? I applaud you speaking out against the edu system, being an educator yourself.
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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Your full of it,,,,,,Who require's These BullShit degree's?,,,The "BIG employer's",,,Why?,,,I know people that can't get a job or are "NOT Qualifed",,,Even tho' they know 100xmore than anyone in the same position,,,Is that fair? No cause you wan't it with your seal of approval,,,not the seal of Quality,,,your full of shit!!! and education is booming private sector business,,,with fed and state funding,,what planet are you from,,,Ass kisser!
UncleBuck
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resident grammar nazi disapproves.
lopezri
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Are these questions directed toward me? I can't be quite sure since there was no quote to the reply.
LOL yes, yes, it is Whose.resident grammar nazi disapproves.