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doc111

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You even admitted to putting words in my mouth after the fact. "I'm putting words in your mouth"...

Well duh.
I think you called me a liar. Not quite the same thing but I'm stoned so maybe I don't see the connection. :confused: And I was exaggerating a little to make my point about the implication you made about my country, which is pretty secular. Not trying to be a dick but I'd appreciate it if we refrain from name calling. I haven't called anybody any names nor have I accused anybody of lying. :weed:
 

robert 14617

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I wasn't there either but I saw the shroud of Turin once. That probably doesn't count though huh?:?
it gives me chills but carbon dating puts it past that time sorry, i would like to be the first to say thank god we have proof of the existence of Jesus , to date there is none
 

growwwww

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I think you called me a liar. Not quite the same thing but I'm stoned so maybe I don't see the connection. :confused: And I was exaggerating a little to make my point about the implication you made about my country, which is pretty secular. Not trying to be a dick but I'd appreciate it if we refrain from name calling. I haven't called anybody any names nor have I accused anybody of lying. :weed:
You my friend are a nuttah! this kind of nuttah - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACCDZlLLV0I
 

doc111

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it gives me chills but carbon dating puts it past that time sorry, i would like to be the first to say thank god we have proof of the existence of Jesus , to date there is none
I don't understand why this is even a debate amongst you atheists. I mean, if you don't believe in a god then the existence of Jesus kinda becomes a moot point don't ya think?:joint:
 

growwwww

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I think that most historians agree that the man existed. Maybe he existed, maybe he didn't. I wasn't around then. :bigjoint:
Theres almost no doubt that there was a male named jesus around that time of course. There is all the doubt that a male named jesus was the son of god and was resurected.
 

growwwww

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Dont worry, its just a jungle tune from the 90s in London, its a song about rudeboys in south london, dont worry i sometimes forget people you guys are american. Its a nutts tune for anyone into jungle in the 90s in London and it has nothing relevant to do with much, likewise with susej...
 
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PadawanBater

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I wasn't there either but I saw the shroud of Turin once. That probably doesn't count though huh?:?
Shroud of Turin dates to the middle ages, 14th century I think.

I don't understand why this is even a debate amongst you atheists. I mean, if you don't believe in a god then the existence of Jesus kinda becomes a moot point don't ya think?:joint:
What evidence is there, outside the bible, that Jesus existed? Show me anything, I'm open to absolutely anything at all.
 

morgentaler

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I think that most historians agree that the man existed. Maybe he existed, maybe he didn't. I wasn't around then. :bigjoint:
There is actually little to no historical (in the academic sense, not the religious sense) evidence of the existence of a religious figure Jesus Christ.

Yes, there were probably Jesus, Josephs, Marys, and Xerxes running about. But the specific individual associated with the biblical claims was edited into history after the fact, or an outright forgery.

From Wikipedia:
Including the Gospels, there are no surviving historical accounts of Jesus written during his life or within three decades of his death.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#cite_note-103 A great majority of biblical scholars accept the historical existence of Jesus.

You create myths after the fact. Just like Oh Henry and Paul Bunyan.
 

doc111

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Shroud of Turin dates to the middle ages, 14th century I think.



What evidence is there, outside the bible, that Jesus existed? Show me anything, I'm open to absolutely anything at all.
I was joking about the shroud of Turin (that one fell flat). I already said numerous times that I can't prove that Jesus or God exist/ed.

There is actually little to no historical (in the academic sense, not the religious sense) evidence of the existence of a religious figure Jesus Christ.

Yes, there were probably Jesus, Josephs, Marys, and Xerxes running about. But the specific individual associated with the biblical claims was edited into history after the fact, or an outright forgery.

From Wikipedia:
Including the Gospels, there are no surviving historical accounts of Jesus written during his life or within three decades of his death. A great majority of biblical scholars accept the historical existence of Jesus.

You create myths after the fact. Just like Oh Henry and Paul Bunyan.
Who creates myths after the fact? I'm not a historian nor am I religious. :weed:
 

morgentaler

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I was joking about the shroud of Turin (that one fell flat). I already said numerous times that I can't prove that Jesus or God exist/ed.

Who creates myths after the fact? I'm not a historian nor am I religious. :weed:
I didn't mean you you.
Myths are built upon past events, and not like histories (which can also be distorted, but multi-point written histories are a better meter than oral histories which suffer the 'telephone game' more easily.
 

doc111

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doc

after you stop joking and want to give real proof or substance please feel free to pm me .....................rob
How many times do I have to say it?????????:wall: I offer no proof of anything to anybody. I'm not out to change anybody's beliefs. I simply hope to change people's attitudes about respecting their fellow human beings. And playing devil's advocate can help people see the other side of the coin............something many people have difficulty with hence the lack of empathy, and respect for our neighbors. ;-)
 

doc111

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did i disrespect any one somehow?
I don't think so. I'm just saying, I'm not religious nor do I wish to show proof of anything to anybody because I don't want to change anybody's beliefs. That would be an exercise in futility, not that it's a bad thing but beliefs are beliefs and it usually takes something profound to change them. I certainly can't offer anybody anything profound. (except some really good smoke that one might say has a profound effect on their motor skills).:-D
 

krustofskie

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Dont worry, its just a jungle tune from the 90s in London, its a song about rudeboys in south london, dont worry i sometimes forget people you guys are american. Its a nutts tune for anyone into jungle in the 90s in London and it has nothing relevant to do with much, likewise with susej...
Big up to the London massive. I remember the tune, first heard it in Labyrinth Dalston lane, real oldskool D&B.
 
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