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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Religion reinforces a supremacy attitude and people are drawn to it.

It's an easy way to justify the way we treat animals and plants. "It's given to us to with as we please" attitude. It's quite primitive and I'm surprised it is still popular. I would have thought we had come a bit farther along by now, but apparently not. Science has given us whiz bang toys and gadgets, but man is still very primitive.
 
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slomoking13

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HookdOnChronics said:
Hahahaha, yes thats what he needs to do! lol

And I'm with you on that! Hate was a horrible choice of words! lol, intolerant is MUCH more suitable.



agreeded X10



I agree, things evolve, but I do not at all think that WE humans came from apes/monkeys.



hahahahaha, I'M the one who should get an education?... I believe you are the one who was all excited about that de-motivational poster. When it was actually ment to make fun of you and your beliefs..... But you didn't catch that did you?... lol

It's dick's like you that make people of other religions 'dislike' nice, non-dicks like me... :)

EDIT: Mother fucker... I just typed a whole lot on the whole evolution thing and accidentally hit the back button and erased it all. I have a broken wrist so I'm not typing that again...

This is to nobody in particular, just some of my thoughts...

The jist of it: How could one be 100% sure that these dinosaur bones are 230 million years old? And all of this is said with the utmost respect, but that HAS to be an educated guess at most! There is just no way one can say wihtout a shadow of a doubt that those dinosaur bones are 230 million years old!
Now, I don't believe that, and I'm not knocking you for believing it by any means. But thats what you believe and I bet you are pretty freaking sure about it! Not much of a doubt in your mind, thats how it is and you know it! And thats awesome! Now I'm not much different! You don't believe in God, and your not knocking me for believing it. But thats what I believe and I am pretty freaking sure about it! There's no doubt in my mind, that's how it is and I know it.

Are either sides set in concrete, and 100% right no matter what... Well there isn't really an answer to that, Yes and No... You may say yours is, and I'd say mine is, but that's what's so great! WE ARE HUMANS! And can CHOOSE to believe whatever the hell we want to! And thats what makes this world so great! How boring would it be if every single person believed in the exact same thing? Pretty boring I bet you!

I guess we're just gonna have to wait to die and see what happens man! Untill then tho I plan on living an exciting life!

Oh, and just out of curiosity and because I'm interested in knowing... What do Atheists' believe happens after death? Because do not know...

Thanks for all the input guys!!! MUCH LOVE

-Hookd
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C-14 radiometric carbon dating.. all living organisms are made up of carbon. carbon just like any other element has a half life. knowing this means we know at what exponential rate radioactive carbon 14 decays. when you know the rate of decay and the amount of carbon, you are left with one unknown variable. when you solve for that variable, you can approximate when that organism died and the carbon began to decay. Because it is exponential decay, it can never really reach zero. The smaller amounts of carbon 14 that can be detected, the further back things can be dated. That's how we know that those fossils are about 230 million years old. either way, give or take 100 million years, the fossils are still older than earth according to the bible. that was basically the point i was making.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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slomoking13 said:
C-14 radiometric carbon dating.. all living organisms are made up of carbon. carbon just like any other element has a half life. knowing this means we know at what exponential rate radioactive carbon 14 decays. when you know the rate of decay and the amount of carbon, you are left with one unknown variable. when you solve for that variable, you can approximate when that organism died and the carbon began to decay. Because it is exponential decay, it can never really reach zero. The smaller amounts of carbon 14 that can be detected, the further back things can be dated. That's how we know that those fossils are about 230 million years old. either way, give or take 100 million years, the fossils are still older than earth according to the bible. that was basically the point i was making.
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Radiocarbon dating is not useful out past about 80-100,000 years. Older than that, we must resort to other radiometric dating methods of the surrounding rock.
 
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420HAZE420

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slomoking13 said:
Ok... Evolution is FACT, it happens and has been happening since the first forms of life were on this planet. There is no denying it. Natural Selection however is the Theory part, it's a theory because it is the best reason yet for why evolution occurs. You have more research to do. If you are interested, colleges offer classes on evolution and every professor will tell you it is a fact, i took the courses. I still have some problems with all of it myself and the problem most people have is getting over themselves and giving up the possibility that they were put on earth by god for a special purpose. It does make life seem a little demeaning to think that your only purpose is to pass on your genes to the next generation. In my eyes, that's only half of it... the other half is how you deal with reality and your perception of mankind. Do you go around knocking people for not believing the same thing as you do, or do you make the best of things and realize that everyone has the right to believe what they wish and be treated equally as citizens of humanity... not based on government, religon, age, race, or your moral beliefs of right and wrong. I was raised as a christian and shunned for asking why? You can't hold people down and force them to believe what you believe, it just doesn't work that way. Nobody is knocking you for having faith and believing in something greater, that's awesome. I believe in something greater too, it's just not in the form of a god. If there is a god, i don't know what he/she is.. i just know what god would not be. I commend you for not being a part of organized religon and having your own beliefs. It's just too bad that the strong faith you do have can't be put into humanity instead of trying to decide what's right and what's wrong for everybody.
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If evolution is a fact my name is peter gabriel.IT IS CALLED ADAPTATION you should look into it.

Evolution is one species turning into another.Like how bears moved to the arctic and became polar bears (supposedly another species).Well its not the bears becoming a new species.What they did was adapted to their enviroment and made neccesary changes to survive.

There is no such thing as evolution you little einstein's.
 
HookdOnChronics

HookdOnChronics

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mindphuk said:
Dude, how many times are you going to edit your post?

We didn't evolve from modern apes, we share a common ancestor.

How can someone accept the facts of evolution but deny that we are closely related to our simian brethren?

To be fair to him, this wasn't the best poster, as the 'atheists think' is a straw man to begin with.

Multiple dating methods giving the same result is highly unlikely if they weren't correct.
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Sorry I just didn't want to make 4 different posts

That's exactly what I said! Did I say that I think that Athiests believe that we came from apes? I'm pretty sure I did not. All I said was "I believe in evolution, I just don't believe that we came from apes" Not implying anything

I never once siad that we don't 'relate' to monkeys... All I said is I don't think that over millions and millions of years some monkeys evolved into humans! That is all I said.

I realize this. He was just being an ass so I decided to return the favor. ;-) lol

The multiple dating methods have given the **EXACT** same result hu?... ok...
Yea, but "No one can claim 100% certainty on anything"

Peace and Love
-Hookd
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mindphuk

mindphuk

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HookdOnChronics said:
That's exactly what I said! Did I say that I think that Athiests believe that we came from apes? I'm pretty sure I did not. All I said was "I believe in evolution, I just don't believe that we came from apes" Not implying anything

I never once siad that we don't 'relate' to monkeys... All I said is I don't think that over millions and millions of years some monkeys evolved into humans! That is all I said.
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I must have misunderstood your intention. Usually when people say that evolution occurred, but WE didn't evolve from monkeys, means to me that the person doesn't accept human evolution, or that humans are somehow special, outside of normal evolutionary processes.

Since science doesn't make the claim that we DID evolve from monkeys or apes, I don't understand the point you were making with that response.
I realize this. He was just being an ass so I decided to return the favor. ;-) lol
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I know, and he deserves it, but I was a bit confused by the poster at first too.
The multiple dating methods have given the **EXACT** same result hu?... ok...
Yea, but "No one can claim 100% certainty on anything"
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As I said, nothing is 100%. Every measurement in science has associated error bars. This means that we don't have an exact number but a range. The more information we have the smaller the error bars become. So yes, multiple dating methods give us the same dates from a practical standpoint. I don't think anyone thinks that we can narrow it down to exact year, month and day, do they?
Peace and Love
-Hookd
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Back at you!:blsmoke:
 
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slomoking13

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420HAZE420 said:
If evolution is a fact my name is peter gabriel.IT IS CALLED ADAPTATION you should look into it.

Evolution is one species turning into another.Like how bears moved to the arctic and became polar bears (supposedly another species).Well its not the bears becoming a new species.What they did was adapted to their enviroment and made neccesary changes to survive.

There is no such thing as evolution you little einstein's.
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Peter Gabriel, it's an honor to meet you!
ev·o·lu·tion (
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n. 1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.
2. a. The process of developing.
b. Gradual development.

3. Biology a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
b. The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.

4. A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.
5. Mathematics The extraction of a root of a quantity.

change in genetic composition.... that's the evolution part. Adaptation is natural selection which is the best theory for WHY evolution occurs. It's called a theory because if it was fact we would know the true meaning of life. And for the record, Einstein even accepted evolution, so i'll take your last remark as a compliment. Have a good day Pete.
 
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sarah22

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420HAZE420 said:
If evolution is a fact my name is peter gabriel.IT IS CALLED ADAPTATION you should look into it.

Evolution is one species turning into another.Like how bears moved to the arctic and became polar bears (supposedly another species).Well its not the bears becoming a new species.What they did was adapted to their enviroment and made neccesary changes to survive.

There is no such thing as evolution you little einstein's.
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dude, thats how species ADAPT to their surrounding...they EVOLVE. :wall:
 
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pjrocks7

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There is no right or wrong answer. There are only varied and uncertain opinions, all of which in the grand scheme of things are possible.

Don't diss other people because they don't believe what you believe. I personally believe in evolution and the big bang and everything, but I at least understand why people might not believe in it or believe in something else.
 
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420HAZE420

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sarah22 said:
dude, thats how species ADAPT to their surrounding...they EVOLVE. :wall:
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OK so if you believe this then you honestly believe that every animal on earth evolved from a trilobyte?All plant life evolved out of algae? Or did this big bang create all these different complex species?
 
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420HAZE420

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pjrocks7 said:
There is no right or wrong answer. There are only varied and uncertain opinions, all of which in the grand scheme of things are possible.

Don't diss other people because they don't believe what you believe. I personally believe in evolution and the big bang and everything, but I at least understand why people might not believe in it or believe in something else.
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Go ahead and be my guest, believe in things that science will never be able to prove.
 
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420HAZE420

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420HAZE420 said:
Go ahead and be my guest, believe in things that science will never be able to prove.
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Hints the name big bang THEORY. Its a theory becuase that cant come up with a logical scientific explanation.(In an infintie universe such as this there are some thing that do not need a scientific explanation). They're theory will remain a theory becuase its is false and will never be proven.
 
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mindphuk

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420HAZE420 said:
Go ahead and be my guest, believe in things that science will never be able to prove.
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As opposed to believing in things that have absolutely no evidence behind it? I think I'll stick with science.


BTW, science doesn't ever "prove" anything. It deals with levels of confidence. A proof is for mathematics or alcohol.
 
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420HAZE420

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mindphuk said:
As opposed to believing in things that have absolutely no evidence behind it? I think I'll stick with science.


BTW, science doesn't ever "prove" anything. It deals with levels of confidence. A proof is for mathematics or alcohol.
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Go ahead and be my guest, believe the same people that say that wallstreet is a holy place.


And thats why science is false again my friend because they will never prove anything, just make excuses.

-CASE CLOSED-
 
HookdOnChronics

HookdOnChronics

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mindphuk said:
Since science doesn't make the claim that we DID evolve from monkeys or apes, I don't understand the point you were making with that response.
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Sorry I wasn't clear.

The point was that some people that do believe in evolution also believe without a doubt in their head that we came from apes. Now I'm not saying all, not even saying most, just a friend, actually more of an aquaintence (SP?) was arguing with me cuz he knows for a fact that we came from apes due to a pic like the one I've attached.

MexicanWarlord420 said:
hurr atheists r teh stupid cuz they use science and other forms of whichcraft 2 explane things
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You sir, are an idiot! lol, and I'm not even an Athiest! lol
 

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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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pjrocks7 said:
There is no right or wrong answer. There are only varied and uncertain opinions, all of which in the grand scheme of things are possible.

Don't diss other people because they don't believe what you believe. I personally believe in evolution and the big bang and everything, but I at least understand why people might not believe in it or believe in something else.
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incorrect.

There are only two answers.

the first answer is "I don't know". This would be correct.

The second answer is "I do know". This would be incorrect.

It's very simple, it's very true.
 
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