Aussie Growers Thread

OzCocoLoco

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iv now made up my mind i wanna put some of the widows in my pc grow box for now all i have is a 45 watt led 2 to 1 red to blue i wanna get somthing thats full spec i might just do what i did before and get a 10 watter ittl be good for seedlings and tje 1st couple weeks then ill up pot and put them into the tent if im gunna only use it for a week or to of veg and to start seeds i probly could get away with just tje leds ill probly ad a lamp and a 20 wat cfl should be plenty for sedlings
Why would you bother doing that when you have a tent ? How much could you possibly get out of a pc grow box 3 grams dry ?
 

OzCocoLoco

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cheers man will keep that in mind ye i think im gunna drop tje hundred on the compost mix to mix into a bag of canna or some shit idk once my soil mix is ready in tje tumbler that soil should be fuken beast im gunna judge that 2 be ready once i cant tell whats what in there im def going 2 be starting some more seeds tho gunna try and hold of till atleast middle of januery tho maybe middle of feb defenetly going to be starting as mayny as i can fit into tje tent tho im pretty hopefull that thay will live ill be cheering once my tumbler and my worm bin start cranking
Your doing better than me at poping seeds. I seemd to have lost my germination mojo. I can get 95% success with clones now but for some reason I've been killing my seeds. Our new puppy has alot to do with that tho. I used to germinate under my trampoline but now I've had to mix up my game because she loves chewing up my pots and jiffeys something as simple as popping seeds has got me fucked .[/QUOTE]
Try this method
 

OzCocoLoco

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Just a little copy and paste from dopamine.net.au about pgr’s I just think it’s important for everyone to have a good understanding of just how fucked these things are and how unethical the companies and businesses that knowingly supply this to guys growing weed are. These cunts aren’t going to continue to put profit of selling poison till we wise up and stop supporting them so educate yourselves and don’t be afraid to put them on blast and encourage other growers to do so also


You may have heard people talk about plant growth regulators (or PGRs) when it comes to growing plants, specifically cannabis. Cannabis breeder Heavy Dayze – who runs The Pot Cast podcast – fills us in on some of the common ones, and whether or not we should be using them.

TL;DR? Bad for your health and bad for your weed.

Over the past few years we have seen an exponential increase in public awareness related to PGRs and even ways to identify suspected buds. This increased awareness is a fantastic sign that we are progressing as a community. However, there is still a lot of misinformation circulating about PGRs as well as a lack of scientific understanding around how they work. I will attempt to outline the major PGRs used in cannabis production and how they affect your body.

Paclobutrazol
Paclobutrazol (PBZ) is a plant growth retardant (usually used in the vegetative cycle onwards) and works via being a giberellic acid (GA3) antagonist. For the science buffs out there, it’s a competitive inhibitor with irreversible binding to the iron core of the three enzymes involved at different stages in the synthesis of gibberelins. However, the takeaway message for the average person is that it stops the plant functioning in a normal manner by shutting down the following enzymatic pathways:

  • Terpene synthases
  • Cytochrome P450 mono-oxygenases (P450s)
  • 2-oxoglutarate–dependent dioxygenases
What is important to note is that PBZ shuts down the terpene synthases, which will bottleneck two other pathways critical to the production of (good) cannabis:

  • Terpene synthase pathway
  • THC synthase pathway
The inhibition PBZ causes greatly diminishes the plant’s ability to produce THC, due to the fact that THC’s base organic building block is geranyl diphosphate, one of the first products produced by the terpene synthase pathway. In essence this means that PBZ severely diminishes the plant’s ability to produce THC and terpenes (variably depending on the concentration of the PGRs used). This explains why PGR buds have little to no terpenes, and little THC. (Admittedly the drying and curing process affects the terpene content also.)


The effect of PBZ further manifests itself (via inhibiting the above enzymes) by ultimately causing the plant cells to divide, but not to elongate (which giberellic acid normally does) and as a result the flowers will be more dense and have smaller calyxes, and thus appear to have more pistols (aka rock hard bud with hairs for days). With that being said, PBZ will only increase the density of a strain comparatively. Some strains are naturally very dense and could even be more dense than a bud with PGRs, if the PGR strain is generally not a dense one. For this reason it’s best to use multiple criteria when trying to determine if the bud has PBZ in it.

Finally giberellic acid is responsible for inducing trichome formation. Therefore no GA3 means no trichomes. Thus the explanation as to why PGR buds have less or no trichomes (again variable depending on the concentration of the PGRs used),.

In terms of its health effects it is deemed a carcinogen according to the California EPA and the Massachusetts EPA as well as a developmental disruptor.

  • The combustion of PBZ can cause its breakdown products to form nitrosamines (the most carcinogenic component in cigarettes), and is also found to induce ballooned hepatocytes (i.e. your liver cells swell up) as well as causing P450 enzyme induction (extreme stress on your liver)
  • PBZ has been linked to the disruption of spermatogenesis in mammals
  • PBZ has been linked to liver damage
Daminozide
Daminozide AKA alar is usually used in the flower mix and is another antagonist, but to abscisic acid instead of GA3. There aren’t a lot of visual effects caused by alar except for odd colouration of the buds due to excess amounts of phytyl (a precursor to chlorophyll) accumulating. This is another thing to add to the list of things to look out for, and explains why PGR buds tend to be brown-green on the surface.
In terms of health effects though, the thing to take away from alar is that it breaks down into a nasty little product called unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH).

  • This molecule is a known carcinogen and it is of more concern because the chemical alar is applied in a foliage spray, sprayed onto the plant leaves and buds, and so it is on the surface of the plant and in prime position for atomisation when combusted
  • There has been dispute over the ability of alar to actually cause cancer given the exposure dose needs to be very high. However, in 1989 the EPA banned alar for food crops and said that “long-term exposure posed an unacceptable risk to public health”.
Chlormequat Chloride
Chlormequat Chloride is the final PGR common in flowering mixtures.

This is a plant growth regulator that inhibits the synthesis of GA3 in a similar way to PBZ, and therefore many of the effects caused by it are similar to PBZ’s (in terms of identifying bud) and similarly, it causes a myriad of problems much like PBZ (though likely through different mechanisms).

These are the currently known effects of the three commonly used PGRs in commercial growers’ veg and flower mixtures.

**Sorry about the long post but this is the shit that companies like Cyco,Nulife and others as well most grow shops think is totally acceptable to sell to people.
 

Lucky Luke

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Just put an order thru with Attitude.

Barnes farm Tangerine Dream (5) Fem
CBD Crew Seeds Shark (1) Fem- going to try making a medical tincture.
Female seeds White Widow x big Bud (4) fem

Freebies.
Barnies farm Liberty haze fem
Denafem seeds Critical+2.0 fem
Blimburn seeds Tangle auto
Expert seeds Gorilla cookies x 1 fem
Th seeds Kusage fem
Karma squad Crumbled lime x 2 regs
Reserve Prada Skywalker Kush fem
Dinafem White Widow XXL auto fem
Dna genitics DJS gold fem
 

giglewigle

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just foliyered my plants with a bit of rhizo not sure if i needed 2 ph the water also i got some more hygen products thought id be better of sticking to one brand got some humi boosta witch is humic and fulvic and some omegazyme witch is that brands root mass enhancer plus i can use these with the soil so thats cool Plus i can use it as a pre soek 2 the coco considering pulling the thc bomb it hasent grown at all i think i fuked up in a lot of ways with that one tempted 2 thro in a lounge room lizard or maybe a somango
 

bobqp

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I’ve spent the morning cleaning up the mess the storm we got hit with last night left had to cut through a few trees that were over the road on the way to the grow,wasn’t as bad as I was expecting it to be when I got out there luckily just had to do a couple of emergency fixes and I’ll go do a proper job tomorrow.
Yeah I heard the mid north coast got a few hammering from severe thunderstorms . I'll havt to check on my plants when I get back on the 29th
 

ruby fruit

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iv now made up my mind i wanna put some of the widows in my pc grow box for now all i have is a 45 watt led 2 to 1 red to blue i wanna get somthing thats full spec i might just do what i did before and get a 10 watter ittl be good for seedlings and tje 1st couple weeks then ill up pot and put them into the tent if im gunna only use it for a week or to of veg and to start seeds i probly could get away with just tje leds ill probly ad a lamp and a 20 wat cfl should be plenty for sedlings
doas the tude have direct debit
a bank transfer will give u an extra 5 freebies on top of normal freebies
 

DonBrennon

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just foliyered my plants with a bit of rhizo not sure if i needed 2 ph the water also i got some more hygen products thought id be better of sticking to one brand got some humi boosta witch is humic and fulvic and some omegazyme witch is that brands root mass enhancer plus i can use these with the soil so thats cool Plus i can use it as a pre soek 2 the coco considering pulling the thc bomb it hasent grown at all i think i fuked up in a lot of ways with that one tempted 2 thro in a lounge room lizard or maybe a somango
Hey gigle, if ya do decide to drop some Loungeroom Lizards, be warned............they're vigorous as fook and stretch like mad after flippingIMG_1431.JPG
Just 18 days later
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I'm hoping shes stopped now, cos there's no more head room:bigjoint:
 

giglewigle

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Hey gigle, if ya do decide to drop some Loungeroom Lizards, be warned............they're vigorous as fook and stretch like mad after flippingView attachment 4063368
Just 18 days later
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I'm hoping shes stopped now, cos there's no more head room:bigjoint:
ye i grew it once before but it died there was defenetly some stretch tho im tossing up doing some more pink gravies im probly gunna hold of untill my soil mix is ready for those i think...... dude is that one large pot in yojre tent lol holy shit how many gallons is that how big u rekon that lg could get out side lol huge i bet
 

giglewigle

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i tiped a hole bottle of yates tomato fertilizer and fish emulsion abit of what i had lleft of the em1 grass 2 sunflours i put some charcoal in there as well some gypsom some rock dust im i cant remember what els i put in there but i wasent gunna use it again so fuk it also pored what i had left mayne half a bottle of dynamic lifter might add some more browns i dont want it to take ten years for every thing to break down lol after summer ill probly test it out or in a week or 2
 

DonBrennon

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ye i grew it once before but it died there was defenetly some stretch tho im tossing up doing some more pink gravies im probly gunna hold of untill my soil mix is ready for those i think...... dude is that one large pot in yojre tent lol holy shit how many gallons is that how big u rekon that lg could get out side lol huge i bet
I'm guessing about 30 gal, but not sure
 
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