Aussie Growers Thread

[Lucky Luke]

it’s not in the constitution it doesn’t need a referendum, it literally only has to be passed by sitting parliament same as any degree of legislation

gay marriage didnt either but its a nice easy way of judging the % of the populations views.

 

[reza92]

Thats what ive been saying,
Its like here for possession of an ounce. Just a warning for three times in 10 years. Not worth the court time.

the difference is it’s still criminal and they could charge you if they wanted to. Under decriminalisation they couldn’t charge you under state law or take you before a state judge

 

[reza92]

gay marriage didnt either but its a nice easy way of judging the % of the populations views.

that was a preposition and the only reason the government did it is because they didn’t actually want it to pass. It was also unnecessary and a waste of money.

 

[Aussieaceae]

Fk legal!

I think if it worked the same as alcohol, it would work well, for the most part.

Legal to grow and consume, but not to sell without a license.

Regulation is important as well.
Because like moonshiners selling bottles of methanol and killing people, cannabis needs regulation to be as safe a product as possible.
What of all the PGR's and heavy use of dangerous fungicides and pesticides, without following procedure?
That needs regulation.

Same with it's consumption. Because it's a psychoactive substance.
It's illegal to supply a child with alcohol. Same as it should be with cannabis.

The black market will always exist and good weed will always sell.

We need to be sensible with legalization, or we'll never get anywhere.
Imvho it's about compromise. There needs to be some.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Anyways- argue all you like im just pointing out the many, many flaws and inconsistencies in this legislation.
It appears to be not very well thought out or applied.
Im asking basic questions on the legality limits (which are extremely low so supports black market still) and disposal. That all should of been thought of.

 

[Lucky Luke]

I think if it worked the same as alcohol, it would work well, for the most part.

Legal to grow and consume, but not to sell without a license.

Regulation is important as well.
Because like moonshiners selling bottles of methanol and killing people, cannabis needs regulation to be as safe a product as possible.
What of all the PGR's and heavy use of dangerous fungicides and pesticides, without following procedure?
That needs regulation.

Same with it's consumption. Because it's a psychoactive substance.
It's illegal to supply a child with alcohol. Same as it should be with cannabis.

The black market will always exist and good weed will always sell.

We need to be sensible with legalization, or we'll never get anywhere.
Imvho it's about compromise. There needs to be some.

i dont want that because i like the little extra income i get from it.
I get why u do but id probably just shut down and buy an oz every 6 months...

 

[JimyTheCook]

 

[reza92]

Anyways- argue all you like im just pointing out the many, many flaws and inconsistencies in this legislation.
It appears to be not very well thought out or applied.
Im asking basic questions on the legality limits (which are extremely low so supports black market still) and disposal. That all should of been thought of.

those inconsistencies have been pointed out by others as well. Hell im not saying it’s great but it’s a first step in the right direction. This first step isn’t so much about protecting people it’s more about putting less pressure on the states legal system so they can concentrate on bigger issues or fish. If the feds still want to go after it they will but it’ll be on federal money not states

 

[Aussieaceae]

i dont want that because i like the little extra income i get from it.
I get why u do but id probably just shut down and buy an oz every 6 months...

Nah no way, never.
I enjoy growing the stuff, more than smoking it.
The ones who want and like to grow still will.

It's all the more freedom for me. The illegality of it screws me sideways. Illegal cannabis doesn't help my circumstances at all.

 

[Lucky Luke]

Nah no way, never.
I enjoy growing the stuff, more than smoking it.

It's all the more freedom for me. The illegality of it screws me sideways. Illegal cannabis doesn't help my circumstances at all.

I like growing it, i enjoy smoking it but the extra $ is sensational.
As the rules stand down here ATM- its no big thing if im caught- im very small time), Seems to be worse if i got caught in the ACT...

 

[reza92]

i dont want that because i like the little extra income i get from it.
I get why u do but id probably just shut down and buy an oz every 6 months...

so essentially you want it illegal still. That’s fine too but no user wants that it doesn’t benefit them it only benefits those growing/selling.

 

[Lucky Luke]

so essentially you want it illegal still. That’s fine too but no user wants that it doesn’t benefit them it only benefits those growing/selling.

Yep. Just a fine. No need for a court date unless ur going to dispute it.
I think it avgs out at $100 a plant here. Happy to pay that if i got caught prefer lower of cause and the lower the fine the less likelihood the state govt would instruct cops to pursue it
No convictions or record of it. Similer to a parking ticket paid on time.

 

[reza92]

I like growing it, i enjoy smoking it but the extra $ is sensational.
As the rules stand down here ATM- its no big thing if im caught- im very small time), Seems to be worse if i got caught in the ACT...

you can still be charged with the same federal crime down there as up in the act if they want to. They just can also get you on state crimes depending on what uniform shows up.

personally I’d like to see a legal regulated market, it’ll give better consumer confidence and probably increase usage (by amount smoked not amount of people smoking) anyway so there’d always be a way of selling some under the table. Like with alcohol, there’s tons of moonshine still getting around

 

[reza92]

Yep. Just a fine. No need for a court date unless ur going to dispute it.
I think it avgs out at $100 a plant here. Happy to pay that if i got caught prefer lower of cause and the lower the fine the less likelihood the state govt would instruct cops to pursue it

wouldn't you prefer to just not have to get arrested at all and pay no fines?

 

[Lucky Luke]

you can still be charged with the same federal crime down there as up in the act if they want to. They just can also get you on state crimes depending on what uniform shows up.

personally I’d like to see a legal regulated market, it’ll give better consumer confidence and probably increase usage (by amount smoked not amount of people smoking) anyway so there’d always be a way of selling some under the table. Like with alcohol, there’s tons of moonshine still getting around

could do but unlike the ACT we have state police.

 

[Lucky Luke]

wouldn't you prefer to just not have to get arrested at all and pay no fines?

no because then more people would grow. Prices are so low here as it is. everyfkn second person down here grows already. Notice just how many Tasmanian's pop in and out of the aussie thread..and our population is low as fk.

 

[Aussieaceae]

Yep. Just a fine. No need for a court date unless ur going to dispute it.
I think it avgs out at $100 a plant here. Happy to pay that if i got caught prefer lower of cause and the lower the fine the less likelihood the state govt would instruct cops to pursue it
No convictions or record of it. Similer to a parking ticket paid on time.

Fuck their fines. Why should I be fined for growing without intention to supply, just to compensate the ones growing for sale?
It's no different to now. So I don't get a criminal record for growing it, so what, big deal.
I'll take my chances as it is thanks.
Personal use is a personal choice and should remain that way.

 

[reza92]

no because then more people would grow. Prices are so low here as it is. everyfkn second person down here grows already. Notice just how many Tasmanian's pop in and out of the aussie thread..and our population is low as fk.

as I said with legalisation I think the volume smoked would increase dramatically (especially considering concentrates etc) and not everyone can be bothered to grow. Even those who do most wont be any good. You know the difference between good and great weed and most small time growers just won’t have what it takes to grow great weed for themselves

 

[Lucky Luke]

Fuck their fines. Why should I be fined for growing without intention to supply, just to compensate the one's growing for sale?
It's no different to now. So I don't get a criminal record for growing it, so what, big deal.
I'll take my chances as it is thanks.
Personal use is a personal choice and should remain that way.

I hear ya, everyone has a different view on what suites them but that doesnt make the other persons views less relevant even if it is monetary.

I think no record for growing is the big step. Why should growing a harmless plant decide ur job prospects? (i work for myself but plenty of people dont and have to supply criminal history checks for employment)

 

[OzyM8]

I think if it worked the same as alcohol, it would work well, for the most part.

Legal to grow and consume, but not to sell without a license.

Regulation is important as well.
Because like moonshiners selling bottles of methanol and killing people, cannabis needs regulation to be as safe a product as possible.
What of all the PGR's and heavy use of dangerous fungicides and pesticides, without following procedure?
That needs regulation.

Same with it's consumption. Because it's a psychoactive substance.
It's illegal to supply a child with alcohol. Same as it should be with cannabis.

The black market will always exist and good weed will always sell.

We need to be sensible with legalization, or we'll never get anywhere.
Imvho it's about compromise. There needs to be some.

I’m in 100% agreement with it should be like alcohol laws. Plain and simple for everyone to understand. It’s not even as harder drug as alcohol, and most seem to forget that. Never killed anyone, not like alcohol. And I’m sure the law enforcement, and first responders would rather deal with someone that was stoned rather than drunk.
There should also be a scaled license for commercial growers, the way its set up now only accommodates the larger funded ops, not a boutique grower.