hey guys!! thanx for the reply, couple of pages back!!, hey, i'll keep running cyco, till something goes wrong or i find something dodgy in it, i get good prices, and it goes fair way, kinda....i may end up buying bloom in a 5 litre though, go through the shit flat out, i would however like to try their pineapple nectar, or floraliceous, what's your thoughts on them ?? the pineapple nectar sounds insane!! id love to confirm that