Avoiding the PH game, noob

Diablos said:

shit fuck. i didnt realise it shot up so much when it went 12/12..

so if its currently 20cm tall, and it will double to triple in height.... I have no space issues, only height issues, will be screening in a future grow (sog or scrog)

from the pics im guessing i need to let those leaves get a bit bigger then turn it? maybe 7-10 days?

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Well, how big is your space? I apologize beforehand if you posted this information in an earlier post, I missed it if you did.

bmeat said:

agreed, cause a buffer does just that, it buffers, it doesnt just ph up or down. it trys to keep it stable, so there is such a thing as rebound.

i was wrong when i said the ph wont bounce around because its not a living thing.

if there are buffers in your solution, it will always cause it to bounce close to the buffers ph.

if there are no buffers, the ph will be whatever you set it to. tapwater has buffers in it

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Bmeats in the house!!! Haha kid, is there a thread that you don't post in bro? You joined RIU in December, you now have 1,117 posts. Congrats! you have no life.

Bakatare666 said:

Last season, (outdoors) I had a heavy Sativa, that was about 12" when she started to show pistils, and ended up almost 4'.
The heavy Indica next to her the same.
The one I have now, it was 10" tall 5 days or so after the flip, and you know how she looks now.
All were from bagseed.

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For a sativa, I'm not too surprised, but damn, an indica did that..? That's a lot of stretching!
How long did you flower for? That was probably a big factor in it as well if you flowered longer than 8-10 weeks.
Send me some bagseeds bakatare! I want to see if it's genetics or the way you grow!!!

Dividedsky said:

Bmeats in the house!!! Haha kid, is there a thread that you don't post in bro? You joined RIU in December, you now have 1,117 posts. Congrats! you have no life.

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Keep talking. My post count is way higher. Congrats, I grow enough to not need a fucking day job.

Dividedsky said:

Bmeats in the house!!! Haha kid, is there a thread that you don't post in bro? You joined RIU in December, you now have 1,117 posts. Congrats! you have no life.

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nah, i dont really have a life outside of school and work.

i used to play baseball for my school, but i cant anymore

bmeat said:

nah, i dont really have a life outside of school and work.

i used to play baseball for my school, but i cant anymore

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I'm just bustin balls bmeat, all in good fun bro. I really don't mean any ill will towards you. You know that, I've tried to give helpful advice before.

Dont listen to half the shit on this thread. Go get some books, hit the internet for actual results and look for accurate information. Dont learn from people who barely know what their talking about.

The pH scale is logarithmic and as a result, each whole pH value below 7 is ten times more acidic than the next higher value. For example, pH 4 is ten times more acidic than pH 5 and 100 times (10 times 10) more acidic than pH 6. The same holds true for pH values above 7, each of which is ten times more alkaline (another way to say basic) than the next lower whole value. For example, pH 10 is ten times more alkaline than pH 9 and 100 times (10 times 10) more alkaline than pH 8.

PJ Diaz said:

The pH scale is logarithmic and as a result, each whole pH value below 7 is ten times more acidic than the next higher value. For example, pH 4 is ten times more acidic than pH 5 and 100 times (10 times 10) more acidic than pH 6. The same holds true for pH values above 7, each of which is ten times more alkaline (another way to say basic) than the next lower whole value. For example, pH 10 is ten times more alkaline than pH 9 and 100 times (10 times 10) more alkaline than pH 8.

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Irrelevant, plants can differentiate on a wide scale, shoulda posted a chart showing nutrient absorption at different ph values.

Silicity said:

Irrelevant, plants can differentiate on a wide scale, shoulda posted a chart showing nutrient absorption at different ph values.

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Irrelevant? Are you serious? How is it irrelevant to understand that when you ph at 5.0 vs 5.5 it's five times more acidic?? It's not just like 5% more acidic, it's 500%!!!

RELEVANT!!!!

Stop fighting for fuck sake, ive worked out in 5 minutes who the retards are in this thread.

Grow room is LxBxH, 1.2m x 1.4m x 1.6m. Now take into consideration my tote is like 45cm tall, i can get my light flush against the ceiling, and im moving 294cfm of air. i DO NOT YET HAVE A CANOPY FAN. i have a 100cfm 140MM computer fan on the way that i will mount blowing from the intake side of the cabinet, up and across the canopy towards the exhaust.

I have the grow chart from 420 View attachment 2514520

the first one is a deficiency troubleshooter, you just look at your symtpom on the left and what ever is marked "YES" in red is what your plant is lacking, the first one applies to soil and hydro, the second one has a chart for each.

Wow, an inexperienced grower putting the PH argument to bed...

My question was about the tolerance of the plant to different PH levels, or for the stoned ones, how long will it take for my plant to die at ph 4. Ive since learned it wont die at PH4, it just wont grow and it will start to go backwards a little.

PJDIAZ, you are correct, its relevant, i think what silicity is saying is the plant will just work it out within reason, (ph 5 - 7 will grow, any further out then that and you got BIG problems), remember im new and my goal is just to complete my first grow with good bud at the end, ive smoked this strain before and its potent.

My next question would be, is http://www.420magazine.com/forums/deep-water-culture-dwc/111069-deep-water-culture-tutorial-sh-kit-diy-7.html , accurate and correct, does anyone know of this author/OP, its not bmeat on another alias is it?, sigh...

lol jk bmeat we luv ya!

How does your post solve anything stated? It doesnt tell him how tolerant it is, marijuana plants are hardy to an extent, being in ph of 4 is going to instantly put them on a downhill track, in 24hrs your plant can cause a lockout that might not be noticeable on the leaves instantly but will take extra days just to fix. And then overall your just weakening the plant, it had been stressed and is now not possible to maximize potential. It may not seem like an issue to most of the plant still produces decent smoke but if your just gonna half ass and take the easy route of growing I personally feel you should take a step back and turn around, we dont need more people thinking the shit is easy and contributing to the shit that is floating around in large quantities already. How is your post not irrelevant? It aids in nothing and looks like you copied and pasted from google. It doesnt tell me what ph the plant needs, it doesnt tell me how to adjust ph, it doesnt tell me anything about plants whatsoever, you gave more Information needed anyways your explanation makes me feel as if I cant solve basic math.

You've vegged in a bubbler for 8 weeks, and you still haven't gone into flowering? That should be a pretty big plant when your done I would guess.

No, it was given to me this big, it was an established clone grown under a fluro and fed ONLY water. its roots where in rockwool, i transplanted to rockwool + hydroton in a mesh cup. its been under this light for only a few days on 18/6.
i want as much smoke as i can get and im not going to switch to 12/12 + bloom nutes UNTIL im confident in maintaining PH, AND it actually has roots in the water.

I think i might just go back to googling things, i thought in a forum i would get a bit more accurate info but its probly worse then google, at least google ranks shit in order of most popular to least popular, and one would assume the more popular results would probly be the more accurate ones, thx so much for everything.

PH - 5.5
EC - 1.0
600w HPS

Now im not intentially half assing anything, Silicity its hard to tell if your picking at me or PJDIAZ, i hope it isnt me. I obviously dont find this shit easy or i wouldnt be here asking for help.
My goal is to maximise my yield, BUT im poor, i dont have money to justify sacrificing any nutes, Im obviously going to learn from my mistakes and will never overshoot PH again because ill adjust a bit more slowly next time. My PH is currently stable. and in a few hours when my dark cycle finishes ill take another photo. so i/we can compare. ill do this daily for a while. i need to learn how to make my journal.

What ive learned so far,
1. dont listen to bmeat, hes as noob as me.
2. its kinda hard to kill a cannabis plant, you have to do some really, really freaking stupid shit.
3. have a plan of approach, failing to plan is planning to fail.
4. it smells really yummy in my grow tent
5. as per the chart above, OPTIMUM HYDRO ph levels should be 5.8 - 6.1 to allow ALL the DIFFERENT things to be absorbed.

Someone above answered one of my questions, it was how many roots need to drop out the mesh cup into the res before i remove the feed pump. The reply was just to leave it there because DWC + top feed = monsters. The pump is adding to my res temps and it really really needs to come out. how much roots do i need to support my plant.. ive posted pics already. ill take a guess i should wait for maybe 3 x 5 inch roots then remove the feed pump.

Im not to sure how your setup is and I cbf to go back and reread but if you dont have nutrient water being manually fed to the buckets and you expect gravity to refill the buckets from your return piping then your nutes wont be mixed for shit and will be sitting stale in the main bucket, if you explain what your talking about better than ill be able to post relevant info.

Silicity said:

How does your post solve anything stated? It doesnt tell him how tolerant it is, marijuana plants are hardy to an extent, being in ph of 4 is going to instantly put them on a downhill track, in 24hrs your plant can cause a lockout that might not be noticeable on the leaves instantly but will take extra days just to fix. And then overall your just weakening the plant, it had been stressed and is now not possible to maximize potential. It may not seem like an issue to most of the plant still produces decent smoke but if your just gonna half ass and take the easy route of growing I personally feel you should take a step back and turn around, we dont need more people thinking the shit is easy and contributing to the shit that is floating around in large quantities already. How is your post not irrelevant? It aids in nothing and looks like you copied and pasted from google. It doesnt tell me what ph the plant needs, it doesnt tell me how to adjust ph, it doesnt tell me anything about plants whatsoever, you gave more Information needed anyways your explanation makes me feel as if I cant solve basic math.

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I'm sorry that you can't solve basic math.

My post was not supposed to be a complete solution, but rather it was a piece of relevant info towards understanding ph better, and what the difference between 5.0 and 5.5 really is, and how drastic that difference is. It's called education, and moving towards a holistic understanding of the situation through gaining small bits of info as every small bit is a piece of the puzzle.

If you don't need that info, please simply move on. Your statement of irrelevancy should be kept to yourself as many folks might actually want to get the big picture on ph, rather than the simplistic answer you seem to prefer.

yeah using the correct ph lvls is so the plant can absorb it properly. Also u need to understand that adding nutes will lower ph, and when your plants start eating they leave lots of salts behind. Just buy a cheap ass ph reader and check it every few days like u would normaly

PJ Diaz said:

Irrelevant? Are you serious? How is it irrelevant to understand that when you ph at 5.0 vs 5.5 it's five times more acidic?? It's not just like 5% more acidic, it's 500%!!!

RELEVANT!!!!

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Same as sound.

Silicity said:

Dont listen to half the shit on this thread. Go get some books, hit the internet for actual results and look for accurate information. Dont learn from people who barely know what their talking about.

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Just who exactly are you referring to?

Krondizzel said:

Just who exactly are you referring to?

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Not you baby gurl ;p, it seems to me more people are posting information that is either A) not enough info and lacks supportive evidence or B) they are throwing ideas out there that they know little about.

I was stating irrelevancy towards how It doesnt aide in really anything the poster asked for, the Information was not stupid I just feel as if it wasnt enough information regarding ph and that it wasnt directed at he was hoping to understand. All the information being posted is not nearly enough, we are just giving him specific answers when he needs to do a lot of research on these topics, there is just to much information being left out that would help him a lot.

I dont mean to come off as a prick but theres so many replies that barely help this guy.